Is people spawnkilling you without trying to sink your ship reportable?

@pellahh no, you have the option to shuttle your ship

@greencamillion1 The fact that I can scuttle my ship means that people is allowed to have a toxic behavior?

I don't mind if people spawnkill me, steal my loot and sink my ship; that's part of the game. Annoying player by spawnkilling them untill they scuttle is a toxic behavior meant just to make your experience bad. Can I avoid by scuttling my ship? sure! It would be like if they won the battle and sunk me, but does this really mean this kind of behavior should't be punished or discouraged?

In a game like "League of Legends" people flame, a lot! YOu can mute them, does this mean they shouldn't get punished fore they toxic behavior? No! You can mute them and report them at the end of the game, their accounts can end up being banned for that.

I didn't scuttle because they thought it was funny to spawnkill me until I'd scuttle. We had no resources and they kept spawnkilling me. Didn't scuttle because that was their goal, after about 15 minutes of me respawning (and actually even getting some of them killed before dying again) they actually got bored of it and sunk me.

I see this as a win :)

I know scuttle is a way of avoiding this problem, but as I said that's not a reason to not punish or discourage this behavior.

Im not saying it do not suck when it happens, but many of those "toxic" pirates are just after your reaction, so as long you keep spawning an saying anything, you are just putting fuel on there fire.

Shuttle is the option given, an the result would be the same, in the end it's ones pride stopping one from shuttling.
an depending on the situation, it can be best to shuttle before they get the change to take your res.

@pellahh

In a game like "League of Legends" people flame, a lot! YOu can mute them, does this mean they shouldn't get punished fore they toxic behavior? No! You can mute them and report them at the end of the game, their accounts can end up being banned for that.

This isn't analogous. These are two completely different behaviors. I am quite familiar with League, but the closest comparison you have for spawn camping would be to spawn camp them at fountain or refusing to finish the game. League has rules against hate-speech and the likes, as does Sea of Thieves. Both would be reportable because they break TOS. However, it isn't against the rules in League of Legends to refuse to finish a game.

No rules exist that require players to finish sinking a ship. So to answer your question, no they will not be punished for spawn-camping. As long as they keep language in check they have broken no rules.

@pellahh
Blame Rare.

Rare could design a better spawn system that made spawn killing much more difficult. But their response to spawn killing was to add the scuttle mechanic.

This is just one of the many issues that cause me to think that Rare doesn't have a clue when it comes to multiplayer PvP game design.

(Edit: As @Schwammlgott reminds me below, the scuttle mechanic was in the game but Rare added a sign on the ferry to let you know that if you keep getting killed you can scuttle your ship. Actually, this makes it even clearer that Rare views the scuttle mechanic as the appropriate response to spawn killing. So you're wasting your time if you go through the process of trying to report other players just for spawn killing.)

@nabberwar it is a good analogy actually.

The answer I got for the question "is "toxic spawnkilling" reportable"" was basically "no because you can avoid it" so the analogy is about being able to avoid spawnkilling too (by scuttling) but it sohuld anyways be reportable as flaming is.

And at this point I went to check by myself:

https://www.seaofthieves.com/forum/topic/97111/sea-of-thieves-community-code-of-conduct-forum-rules/2

"Harass, bully, intimidate, threaten or encourage others to do harm. None of these behaviours will be tolerated. Any activity you engage in that is solely designed to target and upset another player or crew constitutes bullying. Repeated activity designed to ruin the experience of another player or crew constitutes harassment. Not only do we take these things very seriously, many law enforcement agencies recognise online abuse as an offence. If necessary, we will report incidents to the relevant authorities to take further action."

So this is reportable

@GreenCamillion1 Dude I don't care to avoid the what happened, I didn't even tilt in voice chat and I wrote nothing to answer, I just muted them and kept respawning untill. I just think it's a toxic behavior and that it should be punished, I'm not asking to how to avoid it, I'm asking if it's reportable (and seems like it is, so that's what I'm gonna do).

@little-squash As I said, to me the problem is not aobut spawnkilling (even if I am sure there would be ways of managing this issues in a better way), I have a problem with this type of toxic behavior that should be reportable.

Nothing in SoT is really reportable.
Unless they are abusing said exploits to the max or saying certain words that are unsuited for everyone to hear.

@pellahh

So this is reportable

It isn't though, or it is in the sense you can report, but it will never lead anywhere. Just like I could report someone on the opposing league team for toxic speech regardless if they never typed a single word. The problem with spawn-camping and its relationship with the rules, their exist valid reasons to spawn-camp. Spawn-camping still remains the number one way to sink a ship, steal supplies, and it also exist as a tool to delay your opponent. These are all perfectly fine tactics that don't fall under bullying, intimidation, harassment, or encouraging harm. Due to those valid reasons, it becomes stupidly difficult to prove intent. Unless they verbally state they are, how else to do you prove intent? Your welcome to report them, but it will go nowhere.

You cannot enforce a policy on a tactic that has legitimate use within the game, I get it, you don't like this behavior. However, you don't have ground to stand on unless they throw in and actual form of TOS breach.

If we go back to the League of Legends example, you will never get a team to face punishment for refusing to end a game or in this case sink a ship.

@pellahh if they are verbally abusive report them.

Scuttle if you admit defeat. That simple, if you wish you were sunk make it so.

@nabberwar I've got an over 10 minutes clip of this 4 guys killing me without damaging the ship (that also has no holes), I also had no loot and opened some barrels (food an cannon balls) around the start of the video so they haven't kept killing me for the other 5 minutes just to get nothing from my barrels or no loot from my ship. Seems like me not scuttling the ship actually came handy since it helps proving what they we're actually trying to do. Also they were playbacking some silly music and sounds while doing it, can ensure you it's pretty clear what was going on there.

Harassing players byspawnkilling them without a reason is not a "legitimate tactic", it is a toxic behavior.

@drbullhammer I'm 100% sure and the clip is pretty much a 10 minutes self explenatory clip (I will send the clip only to the Support, I don't like sharing this kind of stuff or pubblicly say this guys namertag).

@pellahh
Why are you here if you already know the answer to your question? Go ahead and report them, but it isn't going anywhere. I've been playing since day one, I've sailed with spawn-campers and know spawn-campers, not a single one has lost their account due to spawn camping.

Good Luck!

@nabberwar I didn't know it, I asked it and actually ended up on the rules thread after.

Spawn-camping alone isn't and shouldn't be bannable. The report is for harassing me for no reason, I got spawncamped for 15-20 minutes for no reasons, I had no loot or resources to steal and they didn't try to sink my ship.

Nope. Not at all.

@pellahh said in Is people spawnkilling you without trying to sink your ship reportable?:

@greencamillion1 The fact that I can scuttle my ship means that people is allowed to have a toxic behavior?

The fact that you can scuttle your ship means that the power to make any uncomfortable or unwanted interaction or situation stops, is in your hands. Use it!

I didn't scuttle because they thought it was funny to spawnkill me until I'd scuttle. We had no resources and they kept spawnkilling me. Didn't scuttle because that was their goal, after about 15 minutes of me respawning (and actually even getting some of them killed before dying again) they actually got bored of it and sunk me.

I see this as a win :)

I know scuttle is a way of avoiding this problem, but as I said that's not a reason to not punish or discourage this behavior.

Pride isn't really an excuse not to scuttle. It's even the opposite, from the moment you choose to keep spawning because your ego is wounded and/or are bullheaded, you can't really complain that they keep killing you if you let them.

@pellahh said in Is people spawnkilling you without trying to sink your ship reportable?:

@drbullhammer I'm 100% sure and the clip is pretty much a 10 minutes self explenatory clip (I will send the clip only to the Support, I don't like sharing this kind of stuff or pubblicly say this guys namertag).

Cool, do whatever you feel is the right thing. In the end, you might want to make yourself a favor and simply ignore these kind of jerks, be the bigger man/woman and move on instead, some people aren't worth getting worked up over like that.

@pellahh said in Is people spawnkilling you without trying to sink your ship reportable?:

If I keep getting spawn killed by 4 guys that repair my ship and make sure I don't sink so they can keep spawn killing me should I report them? willthey get punished?

(Also, I had no loot)

you could have scuttled and then sever hopped

Nah you could have scuttled. If they see you keep respawning and trying to fight, then they have no reason to deny you that. For all they know you just wanna practice PvP and they just wanna fight. Or maybe they are toxic jerks. Either way just scuttle and take the L next time. If we started reporting very minor offenses like this, actual toxic players would take longer to get banned.

@pellahh
I had a similar thing happened tome the other night.
When this happens I will just keep coming back as to see if there is any way to escape which results into another trip to the ferry. The diference this time was that this crew allowed me to respawn and fight mostly one on one . If I used a sword they used a sword etc. At one point they they started to burn my ship and blast it with cannon fire only to help repair it and do it again. It was actually fun and I appreciated the space they gave me to fight back and play along. At one point I actually boarded their ship and was able to make off with some of their loot and take out a few of their crew .... After about 30 minutes of this they vanished as if they were never there leaving me alone with my sloop in flames which I put out ....
Somtime just play it out to see what happens .More often than not that's when some of the best moments in this game arise ....

@pellahh My crew spawn kills sometimes, but it's not because it's fun or funny. It's because we're taking all the supplies off your ship before we sink you or let you go.

@pellahh

It depends matey.
I would do this. kill u and repair your ship, so u stay afloat and we can ransack all your supplies. Than we will leave. Depending on your supply level u might need to be camped for 4 minutes. Depending if u continue defending yourself. If u help unload we leave u alive.

Is this toxic? No i need supplies, u got them, i take them and leave u alone.

Does someone camp u. And just never leaves and trash talk you? that is toxic in my opinion.

@schwammlgott
Thanks. I edited my post. (Sometimes I lose track of what was actually in the game at release because it still felt like a beta version after release.)

@pellahh said:

Can I avoid by scuttling my ship? sure! It would be like if they won the battle and sunk me

Yes.

but does this really mean this kind of behavior should't be punished or discouraged?

Yes, because of the aforementioned.

Look, being spawn-killed isn't a fun thing to encounter. Especially when you're in a 1v2+ situation. But, for that reason, there is a feature built in to help you cut your losses; so that you don't have to put yourself in a position of being repeatedly spawn-killed. I'm not sure how this feature would directly encourage aggressive behavior in others.

Scuttle. If you find that they're still coming after you as a fresh spawn, leave the server. If they somehow stalk you from one server to the next, then you might have a valid reason to report them.

@jisatsu-kiddo said:

You will get bad advice such as "just scuttle", "server hop".

So what would you feel is good advice to a player dealing with being spawn-killed? Please share.

@cokney-charmer

Im not agreeing with u. U never know what an enemy ship has. If loot we take loot. If no loot we take supplies, we just used them on u so we take some back.
Sinkin, killing etc of a pirate or boat is not toxic in my opinion. Calling u a fat swearwords and sail away is more toxic in my opinion than embracing game mechanics and using them to your advantage. When u are on the losing end of this mechanic that dont make the attacking party toxic per definition.

@cokney-charmer

Any behaviour that breaks the pirate code is reportable.

Good thing stealing doesn't break Code or the Community Code of Conduct.