I currently own 330 doubloons I'm level 10 in athenas with 66 commendations, I have bought everything, for every event. I really would like to give my doubloons away to those who can't buy these letters of recommendation's. Would be really interesting to see more pirates helping others in need.
Transfer doubloons/gold.
@crimsonraziel You made no sense. Gold sellers will love that idea... what? Please explain what you are talking about.
I assume he means people who sell virtual stuff on eBay. I don’t disagree with you, but I suspect there are more complicated consequences to balance than are immediately obvious.
On the other hand, gold and level only gives access to cosmetics, so it shouldn’t spoil anyone else’s fun with “pay-to-win.”
I have mixed thoughts on this. At first when I read it I thought what a great idea. But as I think more about it, I think it has many flaws too. Giving away doubloons could do more harm than good.
Risk of being able to give away doubloons is that they could then become something people "sell" to others, monetizing the system some.
I worked hard to become PL and am working hard towards my A10 (currently A7). I did purchase the last level for OoS to get to 50, but only because it seemed like such a drag to me. In retrospect, I wish I had not done that, and while I believe I have done enough OoS since then to have made up the difference, I still feel in some way like it diminished my accomplishment of reaching PL.
I do think there should be a limit to how many level upgrades/letters you can buy so as not to diminish the accomplishment of becoming a PL. Just as, while I wish I could use doubloons to by letters toward Athena levels (not full levels but maybe a percentage of each level) I am glad I am not able to so that I actually have to earn the right to be A10 (even if some days/most days that grind is boring). In fact, I have only done a couple of "speed runs", preferring to do the entire quest to its fullest extent to ensure I really have earned that right. (not to mention I need the gold for when I do get to A10 for that figurehead, lol)
So I guess all in all, I am against the idea of giving away or even gambling away doubloons. Instead I simply hope that they come out with new items in the future that help us use up those saved up doubloons.
Right I'm clearly not being understood so here it goes. If you pay with real money for cosmetic gold then that's your problem nobody is forcing you. It would just be nice if we had a system in Athena's Fortune like a ingame vending machine/safe similar to the one in borderlands, if you get what I mean. Then you can transfer set amount of gold doubloons to, whoever you feel needs, or wants to earn it. After all we are pirate legends who do not need the reputation.
@d-j-blazkowicz I think everybody understands what you are saying. What other people are saying back is that if you are allowed to give your in game gold or dubloons to other players then people will abuse this to "give away gold" in exchange for real life money. You can't have one without the possibility of the other.
@kzoo-kid Absolutely I agree. But it won't happen it doesn't make sense. No one in the right mind will give thier details to some random guy for extra gold or doubloons. Unless your an idiot. Just don't be that guy. Simple.
@d-j-blazkowicz said in Transfer doubloons/gold.:
@kzoo-kid Absolutely I agree. But it won't happen it doesn't make sense. No one in the right mind will give thier details to some random guy for extra gold or doubloons. Unless your an idiot. Just don't be that guy. Simple.
People sell pirate legend voyages for real money, they would certainly sell doubloons and in game gold for real money were it possible. While on the surface that might not sound so bad, consider what it has done in the past to games like World of Warcraft. Massive operations to compromise peoples accounts, sell off the items for gold, then sell that gold for real money. While I have no doubt it would never occur on the same scale as WoW with this game, it would still open the door for abuse of the terms of service and give people a reason to compromise accounts for profit.
Also, I don't really see the correlation behind giving out account details to do this if a method to transfer gold and doubloons existed. However, people do this all the time for other games for power leveling services... never underestimate the human capacity for stupid behavior. If there is a perceived benefit, some people will do just about anything.
All of this aside, while I think it's a nice idea, I also think that the practice of progress (both in terms of reputation and gold/doubloon wealth) being tied specifically to a players actions (and the cooperation among crews) is the better way to go about it. I can imagine other ways this could be abused, but even if those were dealt with, I think it makes more sense to earn that wealth rather than have it given to you.
@drunkpunk138 I agree totally. Perhaps rare could have a security licence agreement which automatically detect real life money transfer and automatically detects, bans the users behaviour? it's just an idea. I'm pretty sure Rare could work around this.
Gold farmers will come to this game to get gold that they would then charge real currency on the black market to transfer it to your account.
This happened so much in WoW that the implemented a way to buy gametime with an in game token to circumvent it. This, while a good idea in theory could have a lot of chances for abuse by these "goldfarmers".
@d-j-blazkowicz said in Transfer doubloons/gold.:
@drunkpunk138 I agree totally. Perhaps rare could have a security licence agreement which automatically detect real life money transfer and automatically detects, bans the users behaviour? it's just an idea. I'm pretty sure Rare could work around this.
It's a surprisingly difficult challenge to overcome. I used to work in account administration stuff for a company that fought pretty hard against that kinda stuff, and finding evidence is very difficult. And you need pretty solid evidence to avoid legal issues. It turns into a full time job for a full team which would be an extra expense for Rare, and I'm not sure it would be justifiable overall.
I think a solid compromise with the idea is what @m1sterpunch suggested. Selling doubloons for fixed gold amounts would be a pretty rad way of transferring wealth. While it might not allow the freedom to share any currency with another player, it would allow those with excess doubloons a safe method of obtaining them at the expense of a currency anyone can get at any time. It still might not solve the issue for Legends that have a large volume of gold, but I still think it would help to some degree. especially if we see more PL cosmetics with high costs coming out.
@drunkpunk138 Ah fair enough that's interesting to know. And that was my initial idea selling gold fir doubloons but I assume everyone would of hated that so I go with free. And that isn't a good idea but paying for gold is. Haha I can't win.
@d-j-blazkowicz said in Transfer doubloons/gold.:
@drunkpunk138 Ah fair enough that's interesting to know. And that was my initial idea selling gold fir doubloons but I assume everyone would of hated that so I go with free. And that isn't a good idea but paying for gold is. Haha I can't win.
Nah I totally get it. Like I said, i do like your idea on the surface. Solid ideas take time to refine, even if we don't always agree with where they start and sometimes where they end up. And great ideas may never get there due to unforeseen implications.
@drunkpunk138 Absolutely couldn't agree more I sincerely apreciate you guys adding your feedback and opinions to my suggestions I love it.
The whole idea behind the doubloons is that it is a currency that people have to earn in game. Giving it away or buying it for gold would diminish the time exclusive rewards it provides and the feeling of accomplishment that goes along with it.
On top of that, people have already been pointing out the realistic side effect of virtual currency selling aka goldsellers. This is not something that is easy to combat, as banning gold selling accounts just get replaced by new accounts (profits are way more than a single game purchase) and any suggestion of monitoring banking information is highly over estimating the powers of game companies. There a bunch of laws and regulations, not to mention global differences, protecting peoples personal banking records and privacy.
This has been a problem in the gaming industry for decades and I believe RARE is more than aware of them and is why any type of gambling or trading has not made its way into the game. Those are extremely difficult design questions, that aren't as easily solved as some here seem to believe.
@d-j-blazkowicz said in Transfer doubloons/gold.:
@crimsonraziel again you're missing the point mate.
My bad. Please explain what's the point.
@personalc0ffee ah fair enough no worries sounded good in my head but the more I think about it it's actually not fair. Thanks for the constructive feedback.
@drunkpunk138 I think for PL's with amassed gold needs more goldsinks like maybe rerolling your pirate avatar. (Like rerolling talents used to be in WoW) It gets more expensive each time.
Perhaps paying money to fix ship damage at the shipright. Or the buying of supplies to restock (limited per ship, not player although I'm not sure how to implement that without the ability to abuse it)
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