I saw a concept online for a frigate years ago image. For current balance the ships are good where they sit. Perhaps, this ship could take the current place of the Galleon as a 3-4 person crew, and have the galleon bumped up to a 5 person crew. This version of the frigate would practically be a brig with an elevated helm and captain's quarters. It could either have 2 or 3 cannons per side.
For clarity, the ship class would most certainly not have to be frigate. I would love to read what everyone else thinks of this idea.
Thank you all ahead of time.
New ship type proposal: Frigate.
Years ago there was an idea floating around of a ship with three cannons in between a galleon and a brig.
When you think about it:
Sloop: 1 cannon 2 people max
Brig: 2 cannon 3 people max
Galleon: 4 cannons 4 people maxWhy break the pattern? We should make the galleon a 5 person ship and add in a new 4 person ship with 3 cannons.
@captain-fob4141 you're absolutely right! I never thought about that! I do understand it's one hell of an ask too...because then they have to make all the cosmetics work for it too....but hey. I can always hope haha
@guildar9194 while I understand the sentiment, this is seriously a bad faith argument. It's like saying a galleon is broken compared to a sloop because you have more people.
To offset the number of crew members you make each task take longer.
There are definitely valid arguments against adding a new ship type, but pretending that there isn't enough to do absolutely isn't one of them.
Beyond that, i think it would be awesome to have multiple options for the same crew size. A second two person ship that has a faster max speed and a faster sink rate would be cool.
@captain-fob4141 I would love a 5 person galleon. I wonder if Rare could implement galleon servers that obviously only have galleons, but the crew sizes could be 5-6. Imagine that? I have a gaming clan that likes to play this game but are always turned off about having to split up since we have 5-6 people playing. Of course you could make that excuse for any clan size over 4 people, but I still think it would be awesome to at least try and test. Some people might say it'll be too crowded, but hey, ships were extremely crowded back in the day. I for one am all for increasing crew sizes. What are you're thoughts on a galleon server that does specifically this?
@thamb0 especially if it was "large ship only" servers or safer seas, I think it would be a lot of fun to troll around on an 'overmanned' galleon.
I've suggested this before but I think the only viable way to add new ships is to just create different shapes for the categories we already have.
In Shores of Gold for example, Brigssy's sloop has a cabin like a galleon, it would be a different shape that would still accommodate 2 people.
There are only two problems with this, some formats would be more advantageous than others, perhaps not so much, but some level of advantage would inevitably exist, and adapting existing skins to ships would be a possible challenge.
@thamb0 whole other topic, but I'd be happy with almost any change to hourglass...
At that point it may as well be a guild war queue
@player-of-game2 nope. You can't just bump a galleon up to 5. Breaks crew balance across all ships. This is old news.
@captain-fob4141 said in New ship type proposal: Frigate.:
Years ago there was an idea floating around of a ship with three cannons in between a galleon and a brig.
When you think about it:
Sloop: 1 cannon 2 people max
Brig: 2 cannon 3 people max
Galleon: 4 cannons 4 people maxWhy break the pattern? We should make the galleon a 5 person ship and add in a new 4 person ship with 3 cannons.
This is a wrong deduction.
The Galleon was developed first, and at some point had 5 crew members (as seen in the E3 Announce Trailer), going forward it was likely decided that the game would be better if it is balanced around having 4 people crews though.Then, later on (with demand for smaller crewed ships), the subsequent Ships (the Sloop and Brigantine) were designed with their respective crew sizes in mind from the get go - hence having one less cannon than there are crew members.
@thor-von-blitz so it was the right deduction in that the galleon breaks the pattern. It may have been broken at release to be a 5 player ship but it may be the time. A lot of stuff has changed.
I'd happily take a new ship but it needs to fit into the games current balance. A 5 person Gally would not be balanced. A 4 person gally with a veteran crew can be nearly impossible to sink as a Sloop, nevermind 5 players.
It'd need to some form of unique trait that also has it's drawbacks for example faster than a Gally into wind but less cannons and fills up quicker for example.
@captain-fob4141
Nope. There is no pattern when it starts with 4 cannons = 4 crew members - your deduction is flawed.
The argument that the Gally could be made a 5 Player ship because it has 5 cannons and it would fit the logic of "Ships have one less cannon than crew" is not in question.
If the Galleon would be a 5 person crew ship, then you would have a pattern. Yes. But it is a 4 person ship, so there is no pattern and no pattern to break.I'm just a little pedantic how you formulated things.
@qu1etone you most certainly can bump a galleon up to 5 if we really wanted too. The meta would just shift. I'm all for it.
@thor-von-blitz
"They started with the galleon and 5 players but decided that it was too broken so they made it four." The pattern started with the galleon and they chose to break it.@captain-fob4141 sagte in New ship type proposal: Frigate.:
Years ago there was an idea floating around of a ship with three cannons in between a galleon and a brig.
When you think about it:
Sloop: 1 cannon 2 people max
Brig: 2 cannon 3 people max
Galleon: 4 cannons 4 people maxWhy break the pattern? We should make the galleon a 5 person ship and add in a new 4 person ship with 3 cannons.
If you consider the turning speed of the galleon, this makes perfect sense that there are 4 cannons...you can easily run from the helm to the cannon, do some shots and run back to the helm if needed
@schwammlgott if it makes sense on a galleon it makes even more sense for a sloop to have two cannons per side, and a brig to have three.
@a10dr4651 I mean, balance is subjective to the crew. I have easily solo sank a 4 man galleon crews and I've also had solo players sink my galleon crew of good players. That's why I proposed having Galleon only servers that can have 5-6 people on each. Rare could test that for a season and see if it's viable to keep around. Plus, adding stuff like that would probably make a lot of people come back to try it out. Maybe even just call them Man-O-War servers and change the galleon a little bit.
@thamb0 if you add an extra person to each ship type then fine. You can't just add 1 to a galleon. That extra person is free to do whatever is needed while the other 4 stick to their posts. The point of 4 people on a galleon as I see it is to stretch the crew in combat.
@captain-fob4141 sagte in New ship type proposal: Frigate.:
@schwammlgott if it makes sense on a galleon it makes even more sense for a sloop to have two cannons per side, and a brig to have three.
Did you actually read what I wrote?
@qu1etone sagte in New ship type proposal: Frigate.:
@thamb0 if you add an extra person to each ship type then fine. You can't just add 1 to a galleon. That extra person is free to do whatever is needed while the other 4 stick to their posts. The point of 4 people on a galleon as I see it is to stretch the crew in combat.
Solo sloopers will love this...not
@qu1etone sagte in New ship type proposal: Frigate.:
@schwammlgott 🤣😥 I don't like...
I actually meant just the first sentence you wrote...so adding 1 person to each ship
@captain-fob4141 said in New ship type proposal: Frigate.:
Years ago there was an idea floating around of a ship with three cannons in between a galleon and a brig.
When you think about it:
Sloop: 1 cannon 2 people max
Brig: 2 cannon 3 people max
Galleon: 4 cannons 4 people maxWhy break the pattern? We should make the galleon a 5 person ship and add in a new 4 person ship with 3 cannons.
Be careful ... they might choose to remove a cannon on each side of a Galleon instead ...
@schwammlgott what else could you do but add another player to all ships. I sail solo a lot. Brigs scare me now. Imagine with 4 people on there.
@qu1etone agreed, but I think we misunderstood each other. I was talking with the idea in mind of a Galleon only server having crews of 5-6. Apologies for not adding that in my comment. In the regular servers, yes 4 is balanced. So, how would you feel about Rare testing a Galleon or larger ship only server with crews of 5-6 per ship?
@thamb0 I'm absolutely fine with that. But I don't think Rare will do it. Splits the player base. They hate that.
I kinda like this idea. We could make this ship cost like 425,000 gold for a captained one.
Yeah we're on the same brain cell with this, though something else I would like it possibly bumping up the maximum amount of people on each ship by 1, but that might be too over powered.
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