Sail with a Flag

Agreed. Maybe if you lower the flag, you lose those emissary quests in your radial and have to get to grade 5 to gain them again.

@soggy2908 do you mean specifically the emissary quests for getting to level 5? I don't think it should be forced, sure there's less emissaries around on the seas but guilds and hourglass account for a lot of that. I don't even think it's a massive issue that many people would be doing the quests without the flag, often they use the quest to relevel the flag back to grade 5.

If you mean any activity in general, that's a hard no and newer players don't actually have access to flags until...level 15? (Been awhile might be 25 for non guild)

I think I'd be okay with requiring an emissary flag for the grade 5 emissary quests. Could maybe keep more grade 5 emissaries on the seas for crews who actually deem those voyages worthwhile.

But requiring an emissary flag to do any type of trading company work, a la commodities for merchants? No, I don't think that's a good idea.

Some crews don't like the target that an emissary flag puts on them and just want to do the voyages at base value. Some folks solo sloop and don't want the added heat. These people should have that option.

Tools not rules.

@tesiccl said in Sail with a Flag:

Agreed. Maybe if you lower the flag, you lose those emissary quests in your radial and have to get to grade 5 to gain them again.

Assuming you're talking about the G5 Emissary Quest, specifically, I totally agree with the above statement.

I used to lower and re-raise so that I could progress more quickly through the Emissary Grade commendations, but that was more of a completionist mentality than anything else.

So people who get sunk during their emissary quest not only lose their flag, treasure but also the voyages - not sure if that is going to incentive doing emissary quests; probably more people hopping to a hopefully safer server.

Reapers aren't the only enemy to other emissaries; remember if you meet another gold hoarder, your chests and trinkets are worth more to them as well.

@otherfanboy said in Sail with a Flag:

( ... ) .....haven't hit guild lvl 15 so not sure what grade 5 emissary gets you

No perks other than the highest multiplier for Guilds, your ship will show up on other people's maps though.

If you are talking emissary quests that require grade 5, then possibly would be fine, but i dont see a lot of reason to change it and it could cause issues with losing the quest from sinking, unless the quests stay active just not doable until you get the flag up again. If you are talking about having to have a flag up to do faction based quests, then definitely not.

@guildar9194 said in Sail with a Flag:

@soggy2908 said in Sail with a Flag:

Hello, I would like it to be mandatory to have an active emissary flag to be able to carry out emissary missions. any emissary flag could be fine, so that you don't go around doing emissary activities without having any flag. It could be nice to see lots of emissaries and interact with them to form alliances against reapers or to chase if you're reaper.

Thanks for your time!
A very old sailor.

I disagree.
Usually, when I hit Grade 5 and get my Grade 5 quest, there's 1 or 2 Reapers on the map.
Why should I lose out on my Grade 5 quest if I want to lower my flag to avoid being content for Reapers?
Why should I lose out on my Grade 5 quest, just because Reapers appeared?

Because that's the whole point of the reaper's bones faction? They want stolen loot, but what they're really after are emissary flags. It's why so many of their commendations are tied to turning in stolen emissaries. Emissaries and reapers go hand in hand with one another.

Requiring a crew to keep their grade 5 flag up to do their faction emissary quest makes perfect sense honestly, and I'm not sure why it hasn't been done up to this point.

@soggy2908 said in Sail with a Flag:

Hello, I would like it to be mandatory to have an active emissary flag to be able to carry out emissary missions. any emissary flag could be fine, so that you don't go around doing emissary activities without having any flag. It could be nice to see lots of emissaries and interact with them to form alliances against reapers or to chase if you're reaper.

Thanks for your time!
A very old sailor.

Either this is a naive post or you are doing an excellent job of trolling. If everybody has an emissary flag up it’s a gold mine for Reaper 5’s. The flags alone are worth enough to sink you for it. Some people just wanna sail and do some things very low key, let’s not take that away.

Now should there be higher value missions that require an emissary, SURE!

@guildar9194 said in Sail with a Flag:

@habiki said in Sail with a Flag:

@guildar9194 said in Sail with a Flag:

@soggy2908 said in Sail with a Flag:

Hello, I would like it to be mandatory to have an active emissary flag to be able to carry out emissary missions. any emissary flag could be fine, so that you don't go around doing emissary activities without having any flag. It could be nice to see lots of emissaries and interact with them to form alliances against reapers or to chase if you're reaper.

Thanks for your time!
A very old sailor.

I disagree.
Usually, when I hit Grade 5 and get my Grade 5 quest, there's 1 or 2 Reapers on the map.
Why should I lose out on my Grade 5 quest if I want to lower my flag to avoid being content for Reapers?
Why should I lose out on my Grade 5 quest, just because Reapers appeared?

Because that's the whole point of the reaper's bones faction? They want stolen loot, but what they're really after are emissary flags. It's why so many of their commendations are tied to turning in stolen emissaries. Emissaries and reapers go hand in hand with one another.

Requiring a crew to keep their grade 5 flag up to do their faction emissary quest makes perfect sense honestly, and I'm not sure why it hasn't been done up to this point.

Then they should find me before I get to a fort.
Why should I be forced to keep my flag up for someone else to kill me, thus losing my grade 5 quest when I lose Emissary to being sunk, or lose my Grade 5 quest by lowering?

Requiring a crew to keep their grade 5 flag up to do their faction emissary quest makes perfect sense honestly, and I'm not sure why it hasn't been done up to this point.

No, it makes sense to you. Not to me.
To me, this idea is just 'Force Emissaries to interact with Reapers for easier Reaper hunts, or punish them for lowering flag by removing their Grade 5 quest.'

It doesn't just make sense to me (emphasis yours). If you were around when reapers and emissaries were introduced to the game with the ships of fortune update, or remember when it happened should you have been playing at that time, you'll recall that the content launched together.

Reapers and emissaries were designed to interact with one another. I don't mean this in an abrasive way, but forgetting this fact or wishing it were different doesn't make it so.

Any changes to those systems that encourages the interactivity is welcome.

The emissary cycle is to hit G5, sell, get emissary quest, lower then raise and go do it again with the emissary quest.

Reapers want their cake and eat it too, and cry when they can't. (See duplicate flags dropped at portals)

@guildar9194

Seems like your whole position is tied to detangling reapers and emissaries as much as possible so that you can carry on with as minimal risk as possible. I get it, but the content was designed with a specific vision in mind. And that vision was pirates having an avenue for increased PvE rewards via emissary flags, with the increased risk that a reaper crew may come hunting your flag.

And you misunderstand me when I said things wouldn't change despite you wanting them to. I was referring to how the systems were designed to interact with one another, not the OPs proposed changes to emissary quests.

@guildar9194 chill man. It isn't about wanting people to be punished. It's about understanding how the game systems are designed and how they synergize together. OPs suggestion actually isn't a bad idea when viewed from that perspective which, respectfully, is something you seem to lack here.

I've spent the overwhelming majority of my time in this game doing PvE. You don't need to assume how I've played this game over the years and decide I'm just here as a "toxic PvPer" who wants to force players to be easy cannon fodder.

I've got a lot of time invested in this game and I want to see it continue to succeed. Good feedback like this from the community is one of the ways that happens.

@soggy2908 said in Sail with a Flag:

@hiradc thanks for the question. I meant to have the emissary to do every quest, but I didn't remember that newer player has to hit level 15 before they can get the emissary flag (I play from a lot and my memory isn't good). Your suggested solution however seems really good.

Oh...

Yeah hard pass on forcing people to take the extra risk of running an emissary when they have no interest in the extra rewards.

You have to make people actually care about gold in order to get more people to run the extra risk.

Gold, aside from cosmetics, serves virtually no purpose and is wildly easy to acquire.

Give gold a purpose and you'll see more people run emissary.

@guildar9194 said in Sail with a Flag:

@habiki said in Sail with a Flag:

@guildar9194 chill man. It isn't about wanting people to be punished. It's about understanding how the game systems are designed and how they synergize together. OPs suggestion actually isn't a bad idea when viewed from that perspective which, respectfully, is something you seem to lack here.

I've spent the overwhelming majority of my time in this game doing PvE. You don't need to assume how I've played this game over the years and decide I'm just here as a "toxic PvPer" who wants to force players to be easy cannon fodder.

I've got a lot of time invested in this game and I want to see it continue to succeed. Good feedback like this from the community is one of the ways that happens.

We're done here.

1. Even if you don't want to accept it; The idea actively punishes people for dropping flag by taking away their G5 quest for doing so.
2. Going right into personal attacks because I disagree with your point of view, so I must 'lack perspective'. Because clearly anyone who knows the game like you do would agree with this idea! 🙄

Good feedback like this from the community is one of the ways that happens.

Once again; It's only good feedback to you. Plenty of people have stated why they don't like the idea. Do they all 'lack perspective' as well?

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Once again; The idea is asking to implement a punishment for G5 Emissaries who drop flag to avoid Reapers.
The idea is basically 'Make people fight or take away their G5 quest for dropping flag to avoid it.'

It's just shoving the PvP mindset on others and demanding they be punished if they don't play along. It's a bad idea, from my perspective.

It wasn't a personal attack. I said that you may want to think about OPs idea from beyond the parameters of just your playstyle........only I encompassed the spirit of my response in the word 'perspective', because the word was uniquely suited to succintly convey my thoughts.

I used the word "respectfully" to show that I felt you may need to expand your thinking a bit with regards to this, but that I didnt mean it in a deragatory way.

I'm not "shoving the PvP mindset on others and demanding they be punished if they don't play along", as you put it....... I've been clear on that and no amount of you continually saying otherwise will change it. Kindly stop attributing that nonsense to me.

You are correct about one thing though.

We are done.

You can have the last word here if you like, I won't engage any further with you in this post. Nothing constructive is coming out of it.