[Suggestion] Losing a battle is too punitive, make it easier to recover from a loss.

Ultimately it's pretty much a mess though because they aren't making decisions that just effect season 8's fighting they are making combat/supply decisions that are affecting everyone outside of it as well.

Changes for season 8 content, whatever they are, should be changes specifically for the contrived combat, not for the environment as a whole.

Any progress they might make for season 8 content specifically is coming at a sacrifice to the experience for others outside of the content.

This game was far better off when the only people that had a lot of supplies were people that invested in servers, now it's just a situation where it's always MORE MORE MORE which is generally not a good thing for combat in this game. It makes boats ridiculously tanky and unfun to fight.

@wolfmanbush

I'm not so sure man. All the arena refugees are complaining that you still don't get enough supplies in adventure mode to make hourglass fun. So let's indulge them. I say make the ship barrels have an infinite supply of basic cannonballs and planks and just wait for them to complain that ships are too tanky/hard to sink and matches take too long. Won't affect PVE'ers because they don't use that many anyway.

@iReleeas3

Complainers gonna complain, and the current supply situation is fine matey.

@lordqulex said in [Suggestion] Losing a battle is too punitive, make it easier to recover from a loss.:

@wolfmanbush

I'm not so sure man. All the arena refugees are complaining that you still don't get enough supplies in adventure mode to make hourglass fun. So let's indulge them. I say make the ship barrels have an infinite supply of basic cannonballs and planks and just wait for them to complain that ships are too tanky/hard to sink and matches take too long. Won't affect PVE'ers because they don't use that many anyway.

Buffing supplies and incentives to sink for supplies directly negatively effects pvers in a risk/reward environment.

This content exists because they ran off activity organically and they are still making those same decisions to appease some within the content.

Season 8 had some potential to overall positively effect the organic environment but flooding more supplies and adding incentives to sink random boats kills that off.

They don't have a consistent chain of activity in place, once the people that are participating burn out on it (and get their rewards around level 200) and go back to hopping they will have dead (even less activity than already exists in it) season 8 content and they are amplifying the issues that lead to this content being necessary in the first place. On demand pvp will take a huge hit when content creators go back to heavily coordinated server hopping for content and there once again will be a minimal amount to hunt.

@wolfmanbush said in [Suggestion] Losing a battle is too punitive, make it easier to recover from a loss.:

Buffing supplies and incentives to sink for supplies directly negatively effects pvers in a risk/reward environment.

This content exists because they ran off activity organically and they are still making those same decisions to appease to some within the content.

Season 8 had some potential to overall positively effect the organic environment but flooding more supplies and adding incentives to sink random boats kills that off.

They don't have a consistent chain of activity in place, once the people that are participating burn out on it (and get their rewards around level 200) and go back to hopping they will have dead (even less activity than already exists in it) season 8 content and they are amplifying the issues that lead to this content being necessary in the first place. On demand pvp will take a huge hit when content creators go back to heavily coordinated server hopping for content and there once again will be a minimal amount to hunt.

This I (unsarcastically) disagree with. I think hourglass killed server hopping. I think content creators and regular pirates who thrive on PVP will prefer hourglass over server hopping...

@lordqulex said in [Suggestion] Losing a battle is too punitive, make it easier to recover from a loss.:

@wolfmanbush said in [Suggestion] Losing a battle is too punitive, make it easier to recover from a loss.:

Buffing supplies and incentives to sink for supplies directly negatively effects pvers in a risk/reward environment.

This content exists because they ran off activity organically and they are still making those same decisions to appease to some within the content.

Season 8 had some potential to overall positively effect the organic environment but flooding more supplies and adding incentives to sink random boats kills that off.

They don't have a consistent chain of activity in place, once the people that are participating burn out on it (and get their rewards around level 200) and go back to hopping they will have dead (even less activity than already exists in it) season 8 content and they are amplifying the issues that lead to this content being necessary in the first place. On demand pvp will take a huge hit when content creators go back to heavily coordinated server hopping for content and there once again will be a minimal amount to hunt.

This I (unsarcastically) disagree with. I think hourglass killed server hopping. I think content creators and regular pirates who thrive on PVP will prefer hourglass over server hopping...

It's not interesting, that means longevity will be limited.

Low population leads to a lot of repeat fights that have gone on for 2 months, they are overly optimistic about their plans with stamps, the activity isn't there.

This content is highly competitive which makes it more stressful, pvpers aren't any more productive about handling that stress than pvers are, it gets people snappy with each other, frustrated, angry, it will lead to people needing to step out of it more.

There is a long stretch between level 200 and level 1000 for rewards and the gold ghost curse isn't actually popular, there is no significant love for the design, people want to peacock, the design/look got meme'd more than anything else when it was released. It's not something that drives significant interest outside of a small group.

People want random interactions with random steals in random scenarios, this content is extremely predictable, making it not sustainable without a consistent chain of activity to keep it going, the only people keeping it going are content creators and a few pvpers that have been around for years, there is no interest outside of very specific groups.

Expanding within stamps isn't a solution it's a bandaid for content with low interest, it's not going to save the day.

All this - everyone is cheating- stuff going on about season 8 content only makes it less appealing to be around.

@ireleeas3

That post (mine) was absolutely oozing with sarcasm. 🤣

@red0demon0

Yuuuuuuuuuuuuuup, that's my mantra: win fast, lose fast. Any battle lasting longer than 15 minutes loses my interest.

I don't buy sups with my crews either because when we do win, there is usually a storage crate and decent supplies waiting for us. Since the SBMM is designed around a 50% win probability, I'm not wasting tens of thousands of gold to buy supplies that I'll just loot off the sunken wreck of my enemies or lose when I'm inevitably paired with sweaty curse pirates.

Bear with me here, I have a vague idea on a more organic solution but I'm not sure exactly how it should play out.

What if there was a way we could create incentive for PVP and PVE players to cooperate in the PVP war?
PVPers fight, PVEers gather supplies, and PVEers get rewarded for supplying their faction rather than just getting mugged for supplies.

Maybe let them sell supplies to the merchants to reapers for rep and the same base gold price as buying from shipwrights, except instead of going to the void, their supplies go to faction PVP somehow.
Maybe to stop them from getting attacked in the process, make their emissary level multiply the amount of supplies they donate, ie 50 wood at emissary 5 becomes 100 wood for the PVP warbox.
That way PVPers are more likely to leave PVEers alone, PVEers get paid for extra supplies they don't need, and PVPers don't need to spend so much time resupplying.

@Scheneighnay What would stop the PvPers from killing the PvPers of the alliance and then going for the PvEers and killing them? The PvEers would then have to at least try and defend themselves, resulting in them PvPing.

I can’t see this idea really working.

@pumpa-cat said in [Suggestion] Losing a battle is too punitive, make it easier to recover from a loss.:

@Scheneighnay What would stop the PvPers from killing the PvPers of the alliance and then going for the PvEers and killing them? The PvEers would then have to at least try and defend themselves, resulting in them PvPing.

I can’t see this idea really working.

Could just make it so that PVErs aren't actually aligned. With 5 ships to a server the odds of 2 opposing PVPers being out there at a time aren't great.

Then if a PVEer sold x supplies in the past half hour or hour, they get some kind of flag or glow to prove that to PVPers, and a certain flat number of supplies in the PVEr's barrels gain a protected status where they can't be looted or stolen, and stay with the ship after it's sunk.

@crowedhunter
My idea is basically that PVErs accumulate a lot of extra supplies if they aren't doing something like a fleet or the veil (at which point they would be able to defend themselves from tanks), so they could just dump off some supplies during their outpost trips in exchange for avoiding some harassment from PVPers.

It's technically doable organically, but the reality is that without hard game mechanics helping them out, would-be support players will just get killed on sight.