I have been playing hourglass and grinding for the curses and this issue has stopped my streaks and made me quit the game multiple times. As soon as i win the battle my opponent boards my ship and kills me ,and knowing he wont get anything out of it , he is just salty and then my ship sinks.
After you win an hourglass battle your ship should be repaired or stop taking water
that sort of stuff is just something that some in the community try to turn into obligations for others
like when people get fired up about getting sent to the ferry after a ship sinks
it's content for people to pvp with, the design is fair, just keep distance
Sinking a ship even after getting sunk is a major part of SoT. Nothing flawed about having it a part of HG for a short time after a sink.
If you battle hourglass, there is really only a small window where anyone could still board you, before they are being sent away with their ship. Just dont let your guard down for the first 2 minutes after winning, and you are good. After all you just have to defend the latters and you can also most of the time clearly spot where he is coming from. if you are that worried, just jump off the ship when he comes on, just dont die, and stall him a little bit. he will get ported away shortly. I dont think it is an issue that needs changing, I think people just need to be prepared.
If you win your battles so tightly that you immediatly need repair or you sink yourself - then you did not really "win" the battle tbh. I would think It was more of a draw then?If it makes you feel better, I lost my ship because I spawned near an active skeleton fort.
I won the battle but lost to a skeleton fort constantly firing at my ship. It’s simply luck of the draw.
I have been playing hourglass and grinding for the curses and this issue has stopped my streaks and made me quit the game multiple times
Little mishap and you stopped playing? Hmph.
As soon as i win the battle my opponent boards my ship and kills me ,and knowing he wont get anything out of it , he is just salty and then my ship sinks.
Battle is never over until they are Gone. What about third party ships? To be hitting you with cannon fire and after you suddenly sink the "Invader" your ship magically repairs itself. Unfair fight.
@wolfmanbush yeah , but you think its fair to keep up a better fight and then someone just kamikaze's you and you lose your progress?
@darkkl0rdd6355 said in After you win an hourglass battle your ship should be repaired or stop taking water:
@wolfmanbush yeah , but you think its fair to keep up a better fight and then someone just kamikaze's you and you lose your progress?
I mean hourglass should be exclusively 1vs1 for the third parties that someone mentioned and do something about the players that are just salty and do some holes in your ship while they have holes of their own and board you so you both sink
And it doesn't make sense to sink after a win because most of the time they will board immediately after they cant keep up with their water
And for those of you saying im the salty one and im making it an argument , im fed up with losing streaks of 10 because of some salty tryhard with the gold skeleton curse
Hg is a contrived fight within adventure with consent of combat being a part of the feature.
It is significantly easier to handle this situation in HG because they merge out in a short amount of time, in random adventure they can do all kinds of things, rowboat plays, stealth plays, they have all the time they want for camp plays and strats.
It's fair play. It's not poor conduct and it's not flawed content design so the only basis for the change is preference. Preference changes are never really that great because it's cherry picking sides of a situation rather than sticking to a solid design where people are playing fair within the design.
I also think the thing that happens a lot in the community (calling people salty/etc that are playing within the rules) based on their gameplay is unfair and harmful to the environment. Pushing people to conform and labeling them as something negative for pvping in pvp content within the rules is harmful within the community, in my view.
If your ship sinks shortly after your opponent sunk, you deserved it because you spent too much time and effort on the offense instead of the defense. Winning an hourglass fight always is a calculated risk vs reward.
The defeated crew will despawn a minute after the ships sunk bell or after the sunk ship has despawned. Your only job during this time is to defend them off your ship or keep moving to prevent boarders. They only have their last life anyways.
I'm sorry to say it like this, but this sounds like a skill issue to me. Should happen less and less the more you play, practice and sharpen your skills.
EDIT: Just in case that this "last life" mechanic is not intended from Rare then it would be a fix to prevent any player from moving once the own ship has sunk. That way you could at least have that short period after a match to communicate with the opponent without being "griefed" - if you want to call it like that.
On the other hand though and I have said it multiple times how about fully repairing the ship when diving below the waves? I mean including
- repairing the masts so that they do not instantly teleport to the dropped state when being hit
- removing any water that has entered the ship through middle deck holes while diving down.
It is a nice thing to have your ship automatically repaired but if such a mechanic is being introduced then it should at least work properly.
Right now if you forget to bail or have an instant match you are being left with a slightly but inconvenient disadvantage when resurfacing for battle since you have to bucket out the remaining water before being able to grab the cannons. That means that instead of relying on the instant-repair and just going straight back to diving, you have to fully repair middeck and patch masts once instead.
Only advantage is that capstan and wheel are being repaired. that would be much more needed in my opinion.
@wolfmanbush YOU CALL THIS HARMFUL?? When in voice chat people are calling me all kinds of things?? XD . I dont think that having an opinion on something is harmful to the community, but more of a suggestion to change the experience for people in the game. When someone wins he just wins and theres no need for others to just bring out their rage with sinking you after they lose nor being toxic. What do you even get out of doing this ? I cant think of any actual reasons to sink someone in hourglass after you lose other than trying to be annoying and making your opponent mad , frustrated and just wanting to be a pain to them for sinking you.
@axecaliburtv yeah I understand that it would be a problem if your just focusing on sinking the other ship and not repairing but when I can keep up with the water while im on the ship , why would i need to repair? I will win the fight then start bailing and repair , but i dont get why they still can get on your ship and kill you while they have already lost. I doesnt make any sensce
@darkkl0rdd6355 said in After you win an hourglass battle your ship should be repaired or stop taking water:
@wolfmanbush YOU CALL THIS HARMFUL?? When in voice chat people are calling me all kinds of things?? XD . I dont think that having an opinion on something is harmful to the community, but more of a suggestion to change the experience for people in the game. When someone wins he just wins and theres no need for others to just bring out their rage with sinking you after they lose nor being toxic. What do you even get out of doing this ? I cant think of any actual reasons to sink someone in hourglass after you lose other than trying to be annoying and making your opponent mad , frustrated and just wanting to be a pain to them for sinking you.
This is the first time you mentioned toxicity and that is different than gameplay.
Your goal is to sink the enemy ship. If you sink them and then they sink you it is a tie. Having said that, I normally help the other side repair/bail as a sign of good sportsmanship. Also if I am lucky enough to get a rematch then I will get a chance of getting my supplied back.
In short there are a lot of things Rare needs to work on to improve (e.g. hit reg) and new content to roll out. This is pretty low down on the needs list.
@darkkl0rdd6355 said in After you win an hourglass battle your ship should be repaired or stop taking water:
@axecaliburtv yeah I understand that it would be a problem if your just focusing on sinking the other ship and not repairing but when I can keep up with the water while im on the ship , why would i need to repair? I will win the fight then start bailing and repair , but i dont get why they still can get on your ship and kill you while they have already lost. I doesnt make any sensce
Why would you need to repair? Exactly, to prevent situations like you mentioned above. Bailing out is your decision for a more risky playstyle. Your choice. Could have repaired enough to slow the water flowing into your ship so that you dont sink if you die once for whatever reason (unlucky oneball, getting boarded during or - in your case - after the fight).
Make sure that your ship can always survive one trip to the ferry for whatever reason and this scenario should not happen again. Less risk, more safety. Your choice, your playstyle. But don't complain if your choice is risk and this risk kills you.
@axecaliburtv What your saying makes sense, but still, what is the answer to the question to why they can still board you and kill you while their ship is sunk and they have so much time to do so.
If you win but took so much damage that you cannot recover, or got snipe while doing so by the other person before he/she despawn, consider it a draw in real life and a win on paper.
I do not agree with any “magic” repairs but I could get behind announcing the win only after the other person despawn rather than after the sink. In fact, I might make a post about it.
The only answer I have is because Rare decided to do so. They decided to allow players to move freely within the short time frame between the ship sunk bell and the despawn.
I would also be fine if (only in HG fights) the defeated crew would be immediately stuck in place once their ship sunk bell has rung. But this could still happen while they are standing on your galleons grate to obstruct you from bucketing. Different mechanic, still ways to sink in the end.
I disagree with your statement that
"they have so much time to do so".
No they don't. It is less than a minute and they usually have to swim and get onto your ship via your ladder. They have very very limited time to play out their last life and you have to literally fail a ladder guard for them to board you. And to quickly kill you they have to gamble for hitreg to work.
In my experience (and also everyone I played and talked with) the scenario where you still sink after your enemy is incredibly rare and the fight was already on the edge. I think the best way to deal with it is seiing it as a kind of draw.
Anyways its up to Rare if they want to keep it like this or change it. But on your question I don't have a better answer unfortunately.
@darkkl0rdd6355
yeah well I can only agree to what has alrdy been said: If you die to the last minute after enemy ship sinks - then it really was no win, but a draw. This means one different cannon shot could have sunk YOU instead of the enemy.
After all you must be so desparate with repairs after the fight, that you cannot even guard your ladder against one single opponent trying to board you one single time. I usually just stand on the back end of my sloop with some blunder bombs in hand and my pistol, and if someone comes he either gets shot or blunderbombed from the stairs...
It might be hard for you to accept, but in the scenario you are descibing you really are not the winner.@darkkl0rdd6355 said in After you win an hourglass battle your ship should be repaired or stop taking water:
I have been playing hourglass and grinding for the curses and this issue has stopped my streaks and made me quit the game multiple times. As soon as i win the battle my opponent boards my ship and kills me ,and knowing he wont get anything out of it , he is just salty and then my ship sinks.
I personally feel that deliberately forcing the winner of an Hourglass battle to sink is generally poor sportsmanship myself (in my opinion, at least). Usually the behavior is the result of someone getting mad that their boarding strategy failed.
@manipulatehavoc Nice suggestion XD.Ur just here to be sarcastic . Everyone except you had a valid reason or everything they said and I'm sure you didnt even read the complain correctly im focused on the ''why'' they can still board you even if you win , for example they know they are going to sink and they just rush to kill you to make it ''draw'' even tho you get the win and just make you lose your streak
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