Hourglass - diving then spawning in front of a 3 ship alliance!

@kakaroto9766 said in Hourglass - diving then spawning in front of a 3 ship alliance!:

@slickwillywonka said in Hourglass - diving then spawning in front of a 3 ship alliance!:

@kakaroto9766 said in Hourglass - diving then spawning in front of a 3 ship alliance!:

@slickwillywonka said in Hourglass - diving then spawning in front of a 3 ship alliance!:

It's not just meant to be 1v1. Don't want to see alliances don't attack defend.

Oh look one of the cheaters farming wins.

The post owner is not talking about organic events where you are defending, and randomly make an alliance and keep on playing.
He is talking about clearly setup ambushes to cheat the matchmaking systems and steal a win from another crew.

I take offense to you calling me a cheater sir. I do not cheat. I despise cheating. I don't care how the alliance is formed. Let them be. If all the ships team up on a server to get wins more power to them. If you don't want to face the alliance defend it's very simple. Then you won't feel cheated.

If you setup what is supposed to be a 2v2 fight to turn it 10v2 you are 100% cheating. Call it whatever you want. You are a cheater if you do that.

Well no where does it say forming an alliance is against the rules. They did nerf the rep gains from attacking other ships but they didn't say you couldn't do it. If you were say teleporting and dropping kegs on people that I would consider cheating. I can't consider something that's allowed within the game to be cheating.

It's a fight and they didn't give us any rules just sink the other ship and gain reputation. There's all sorts of ways to win. Alliances are one of them. I don't care one bit about how the alliance was formed. An alliance is an alliance.

I've ended up in multiple ship alliances doing this event organically. When a ship spawned in and seen three of us there they didn't see the crazy battle that happened before they got there that made us form up. They just see an alliance. From their perspective it's an engineered team. The method of the formation of the alliance is irrelevant.

Here's the thing people don't seem to understand about the hourglass. Once you raise it you're in the queue. The war map is not necessary to be in the queue. You don't have to sit under the sea to be in the queue. If the hourglass is up you will get a match provided the matchmaking system is working properly.

If you put your dagger in that war map to dive you're the aggressor. You take the risk that you could end up fighting one of these alliances. If fighting an alliance is not fair to you don't dive. You can call people cheaters all day long but you have the power to dictate how the fight will happen. Don't be aggressive. Don't dive and you will have the fair fight you're looking for.

@slickwillywonka Teaming up and camping using an hourglass is a violation of the pirate code.
Employee quote from RARE:
"Cheat or hack. We have a zero tolerance approach to any form of in-game hacking or cheating, and transgression can result in a permanent ban. Data-mined content is also prohibited from our channels as it can ruin future game updates for players who have no wish to be exposed to incomplete or out-of-context information. Activities such as teaming or boosting to gain an advantage over other players in competitive game modes may also result in enforcement action."

@slickwillywonka Rare have now addressed this so I rest my case and those who defended it shame on you ;) Now they just need to sort out people using cheating sites and xbox cheat hardware.

@artie said in Hourglass - diving then spawning in front of a 3 ship alliance!:

@foambreaker said in Hourglass - diving then spawning in front of a 3 ship alliance!:

@d1zzy-mouse This is why most PvP games used instances to matched fights. It's really a design error.

It's not a design error. it's an intentional feature OF THIS GAME. NO PRIVATE SERVERS in SOT adventure for PVP.... period...

The only private servers are those for players in the Maiden Voyage, and 2 of the POTC tall tales. And in one specific case for a previous adventure they had to hot fix a 2 two boats limit to combat the griefing by SOT seal clubbers.

Rare have addressed this now and fixed it. It's not easy to admit you was wrong but yeah go ahead ;)

@lordqulex As you rightly said, they no longer get rep, this makes it a meaningless endevour and waste of time for the other ships who were previously farming rep this way. That is a fix and recognition by rare that it was not intended hence removed. If other ships want to waste their time now then that's their choice, quite welcome to but you get no rep, having said that, now that no rep is given I have no longer encountered anyone teaming up on hourglass. That's a good thing. Now they need to sort out cheating websites and xbox cheat hardware.

@shadyriddler
You can still team up. You will still encounter alliances. Alliances will still benefit from sinking each other's ship. The benefit will be easy kill you just won't get any credit for the other battle. Won't stop people from doing it. Definitely won't stop me from third party crashing every battle I see either.

@ixxxoloff said in Hourglass - diving then spawning in front of a 3 ship alliance!:

@slickwillywonka Teaming up and camping using an hourglass is a violation of the pirate code.
Employee quote from RARE:
"Cheat or hack. We have a zero tolerance approach to any form of in-game hacking or cheating, and transgression can result in a permanent ban. Data-mined content is also prohibited from our channels as it can ruin future game updates for players who have no wish to be exposed to incomplete or out-of-context information. Activities such as teaming or boosting to gain an advantage over other players in competitive game modes may also result in enforcement action."

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@shadyriddler said in Hourglass - diving then spawning in front of a 3 ship alliance!:

@lordqulex As you rightly said, they no longer get rep, this makes it a meaningless endevour and waste of time for the other ships who were previously farming rep this way. That is a fix and recognition by rare that it was not intended hence removed. If other ships want to waste their time now then that's their choice, quite welcome to but you get no rep, having said that, now that no rep is given I have no longer encountered anyone teaming up on hourglass. That's a good thing. Now they need to sort out cheating websites and xbox cheat hardware.

Champion ships exist. A commendation for sinking chanpion ships exist. You do not have to be in the battle to get credit. There are things to be gained from being in an alliance.

@slickwillywonka yes but since you cannot tell which ship you will be ranked against i dont think maybe people would go for that.
Might happen occasionally though if a ship is nearby

@scheneighnay Well, since you dont get anything for it - not really. PvP players want the XP. So its just a waste of your time

@parrotlord6426 a dit dans Hourglass - diving then spawning in front of a 3 ship alliance! :

@scheneighnay Well, since you dont get anything for it - not really. PvP players want the XP. So its just a waste of your time

I kinda disagree here.

PvPers want blood.
People that consider abandoning the hourglass once they have the rewards want the XP.

These are not the same population at all

@slickwillywonka said in Hourglass - diving then spawning in front of a 3 ship alliance!:

@shadyriddler
You can still team up. You will still encounter alliances. Alliances will still benefit from sinking each other's ship. The benefit will be easy kill you just won't get any credit for the other battle. Won't stop people from doing it. Definitely won't stop me from third party crashing every battle I see either.

yes and so be it but you get no rep, that was the problem and may not deter you but I personally am happy to fight a teamed up crew knowing only one of the ships will gain hg rep the others just wasting their time. Happy days and well done rare for addressing it :)

@scheneighnay sagte in Hourglass - diving then spawning in front of a 3 ship alliance!:

@parrotlord6426 said in Hourglass - diving then spawning in front of a 3 ship alliance!:

@slickwillywonka yes but since you cannot tell which ship you will be ranked against i dont think maybe people would go for that.
Might happen occasionally though if a ship is nearby

@scheneighnay Well, since you dont get anything for it - not really. PvP players want the XP. So its just a waste of your time

Take turns.
3 fast wins due to an extreme unfair advantage is faster exp than taking a fair fight, having it drag out as fair fights do, and risking a loss

Well, dont think thats a thing.
Especially how long it takes you to get invaded even once.
I have not seen a single example of this. I think its extremly unlikely.
I mean, what exactly is your argument here

That's okay. Now defenders are lacing the spawn area with kegs.

Cry about someone outsmarting you there next lol.

Even tho. You can still run into an alliance that's gonna break your streaks...so literally not cheating. Still.

@pithyrumble said in Hourglass - diving then spawning in front of a 3 ship alliance!:

That's okay. Now defenders are lacing the spawn area with kegs.

Cry about someone outsmarting you there next lol.

Even tho. You can still run into an alliance that's gonna break your streaks...so literally not cheating. Still.

Lacing the spawn area with kegs is even more of a waste of time and just laughable. Running into teamed up crews OR alliance once you've dived in HG gives only one of those ships crews HG rep so yeah not cheating and welcome to do that but it's just a waste of the other crews time as they gain zero hg rep, so it will happen far less :)

@scheneighnay source? "dude, trust me?" do you realize most fights dont take long? Have you ever done one? - and: what was your argument again. like, what do you want exactly.
I think people always try to find something to complain lol