Rare im a huge fan of sea of thieves but taking away our hard earned doubloon currency, no matter the amount built up, should not be taken away as a means of fixing something that shouldn't even be considered a problem in the grand scheme of things. Take a page out of bungies game Destiny 2 where they believed it was smart to sunset all of our hard earned loot, to then have reverted due to player backlash. Taking away earned currency/items is not the way to fix the problem and the idea needs to be scrapped immediately and never brought up again out of respect for the long hours spent in game earning that currency. Respect to your player base and the time they invest should always be your top priority. Rare has made mistakes before but this is one I will not accept. [mod edit]
Doubloon change repeal
@burnbacon said in Doubloon change repeal:
checks Doubloons nope still all there.
Meh. I've got like 55k of them and nothing to spend them on.
My hope is that it's in preparation for something bigger. Reality is that it's probably just a logical consolidation of the in-game currency.
To be fair to doubloons and not having anything to do with them...I feel the same way about Gold 🤣
Is is that all? So yeah make sense. Bringing back a store built around a currency that is easy to gather and after years of not spending. Your sure to buy everything and have some left
Works for me. I’m sitting on over 100k and no need to buy anything. (Same with gold. Nothing to buy) only time I spend the. Is once a month for lvl rep
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I’m more surprise nobody is talking about out how they are surprised by the “empty’s seas” and not really knowing the cause.
xDAnd what's being done about gold? It's the same issue. Also an issue of year 1 players and streamers. There's loads of expensive doubloon items. It's insane that I suggest a long time ago that doubloons be made the seasonal currency, remove the gold reward tiers, make doubloons good for buying old season cosmetics. They kinda went there by adding back old season cosmetics but then pricing them insanely high, so high I would rather hoard my doubloons again vs actually buying most of the things because I can't justify 700 hard to get doubloons on a hair style or a mediocre ship cosmetic that while it would be neat to own... Not at that price. They can't handle balancing this economy and the economy is purely about cosmetics. Simplify it. Get rid of doubloons, convert it all to gold. Make everything cost gold. BOOM, no controversy, no feelings of disrespecting our past grind. Everything's still where it was just the harder to obtain currency is gone. But then we would be able to buy everything we want and wouldn't be forced into this new doubloon FOMO system. Which if were being honest is how the doubloon system started in the 1st place. They added FOMO events and locked the cosmetics behind a new FOMO currency.
I don't like how we are circling back to more and more FOMO just to make the weekly/monthly player count look better on a spreadsheet. If you want player retention add more FUN updates, stop adding more player annoyances and barriers to entry (outside of this hourglass change, I support those new requirements even though I haven't really done hourglass much since it's first year of introduction)
I honestly have no idea why they didn't make doubloons the currency for all the captaincy stuff: ships, trinkets, etc. Would have resolved the issue.
However, since we have plenty of warning and time to convert our existing doubloons to gold, I don't really see the problem. Now, if we had all woken up after tomorrow's update with our doubloons gone, that would be a different story.
@sammyr0cks said in Doubloon change repeal:
I honestly have no idea why they didn't make doubloons the currency for all the captaincy stuff: ships, trinkets, etc. Would have resolved the issue.
However, since we have plenty of warning and time to convert our existing doubloons to gold, I don't really see the problem. Now, if we had all woken up after tomorrow's update with our doubloons gone, that would be a different story.
Yeah I think it's fine providing that they give enough time for people to figure out exactly what to do with their doubloons, whether that is exchange them for gold or buy whatever they want in the shop first.
They also mentioned special items coming before the changeover? I'd need to know what those are first before I start spending doubloons.
Personally, part of the reason I sail is to increase those numbers. Having a hoard itself is fun. There's plenty of things I could buy with gold or doubloons, if I so desired. But unless something catches my eye, I just save my doubloons and my gold to enjoy having them.
It feels like they rather don't care about people like me, with this update.
I won't lie, a doubloon rework was a long time coming, and I have no problem with that. And I can understand players who have been earning and earning ceaselessly (100k doubloons, goodness me) wanting to be able to spend out. But a full reset... it just isn't friendly to everyone else.
@flashkannon5118 said in Doubloon change repeal:
Personally, part of the reason I sail is to increase those numbers. Having a hoard itself is fun. There's plenty of things I could buy with gold or doubloons, if I so desired. But unless something catches my eye, I just save my doubloons and my gold to enjoy having them.
It feels like they rather don't care about people like me, with this update.
Convert doubloons to gold before the reset ? You'll onky have one pile, but it's bigger 😁.
I won't lie, a doubloon rework was a long time coming, and I have no problem with that. And I can understand players who have been earning and earning ceaselessly (100k doubloons, goodness me) wanting to be able to spend out. But a full reset... it just isn't friendly to everyone else.
Changing the "doubloon economy" by making them more rare and having new more expensive items to buy is pointless without removing the tens of thousands doubloons people have amassed over the years. I'd probably could buy items for doubloons until S30 or so without earning more of them.
They should also remove the doubloon rewards from
Bilge RatsAdventures at Sea, as people with multiple accounts or more than 1 pirate in their profile could easily get loads of doubloons every time they reset or have a new one.@lem0n-curry said in Doubloon change repeal:
Convert doubloons to gold before the reset ? You'll onky have one pile, but it's bigger 😁.
If there's a community day between now and then maybe, but they're also keeping us hanging on the hook because they're putting some exclusive something right before the reset.
Changing the "doubloon economy" by making them more rare and having new more expensive items to buy is pointless without removing the tens of thousands doubloons people have amassed over the years. I'd probably could buy items for doubloons until S30 or so without earning more of them.
That sounds like the opposite of a problem? That sounds like a reward for playing. And if I want to try the new content, I'll try it. I like playing Sea of Thieves, I don't need FOMO to make me try the new content.
They should also remove the doubloon rewards from
Bilge RatsAdventures at Sea, as people with multiple accounts or more than 1 pirate in their profile could easily get loads of doubloons every time they reset or have a new one.Again, that sounds like the opposite of a problem? What's wrong with getting a moderate amount of doubloons from completing in-game tasks?
Wanted to add to the discussion that I really don't like a doubloon reset. As someone who played from the start who loved hoarding doubloons, I love the Black Market coming back, using doubloons for old Seasonal items is fine but each item was far too expensive.
Resetting this currency and only making it even more scarce when it's already pretty difficult to obtain (I've heard it's more easier to obtain through the higher risk events so that's probably why some people have obscene amounts while others like myself who play safely and carefully take months just to get to a thousand) seems like a very very bad idea.
It’s been a long time since I last posted here, but I’ve returned because I’m genuinely concerned about the proposal to reset Doubloons and introduce a store selling previously time-limited cosmetics.
This is a bad idea. We’ve already seen the fallout from similar decisions—most notably the Golden Sailor Cannons debacle—and it seriously damaged player trust.
Please don’t repeat that mistake. If the team is struggling for ways to engage the community, Captain Falcore has just released a video outlining practical, player-focused solutions to improve the game. It’s well worth watching.
I'm fine with it, and they said that they are adding some items before the reset to buy. I don't have an excessive amount because I converted a lot of them to gold a few years ago when there was a multiplier active. So I'm only sitting on 7K of them now.
The only issue I see is how it will work with old commendations and whether those will still give doubloons? Because if they do, then a new player would be able to theoretically get more than those of us who already completed those (if I am wrong and they don't give doubloons, feel free to correct this).
Also I wonder if the Black Market will be a shop at Smuggler NPCs. That would make sense and would make them more relevant (but please, Rare, get rid of the PvE spawns in those lairs first!).
@burnbacon why would you want to buy a level Rep? Trust me when you are Distinction 5 in everything it is so boring not having anything to level up. Take your time reaching those levels. You don't need to collect treasure at that point because it is not worth anything but gold which at that point you won't even need. I only work on the commedations I haven't finished otherwise I am just sailing for my miles comms and doing PvP stuff with my crews. I wish they would give us at least 2000 levels in each trading company as a start for now just so I can enjoy turning in treasure again.
It's all about "respecting a players time commitment" when it's a voyage you have to pointlessly do 270 times, but when it comes to the doubloons every player has earned across their time in the game, you completely ignore it and decide to even delete 100% of everyones progress. How does this fix the game? You are taking away what EVERY player spent time on, killing off the most important faction in SoT (Bilge Rats), and making it so that its even harder to get doubloons in the future. Will doubloons from commendations be removed or lowered? Should I do them now or should I wait? This change kills any feeling of building something. A new currency would be a better option by far since everyone would start at 0, a level playing field, just like you want. Making a new currency is the preferable option, and the smugglers could have always been there for you to base it out of.
@magus104 FOMO might retain SOME players short term but those players will burn out harder. The reason why no one plays SoT anymore is because when it burns them, it burns them so bad that they never forget it.
Honestly, what’s the message to us old salts? Play the game less?!
Why not just lock these new event cosmetics behind commendations instead of how many doubloons you have?
It’s like they are trying to distract from the rerelease of legacy cosmetics by manufacturing a crisis of robbing each pirate legend’s hoard.
@flashkannon5118 said in Doubloon change repeal:
@lem0n-curry said in Doubloon change repeal:
Convert doubloons to gold before the reset ? You'll onky have one pile, but it's bigger 😁.
If there's a community day between now and then maybe, but they're also keeping us hanging on the hook because they're putting some exclusive something right before the reset.
Changing the "doubloon economy" by making them more rare and having new more expensive items to buy is pointless without removing the tens of thousands doubloons people have amassed over the years. I'd probably could buy items for doubloons until S30 or so without earning more of them.
That sounds like the opposite of a problem? That sounds like a reward for playing. And if I want to try the new content, I'll try it. I like playing Sea of Thieves, I don't need FOMO to make me try the new content.
They probably going back somewhat to the early version of doubloons where you could do new content, earn doubloons with that and buy (then time-limited) cosmetics. Even if you didn't do all the new things, you could choose which ones to buy (e.g. I skipped on a title during Cursed Sails).
Of course when you didn't buy the things from a certain update, you could buy those (or some of them) from the next update before you did the new things because you had doubloons to spare.
Again, changing the way you can earn and spend doubloons won't have much effect for people who have large amounts of them. Hence a complete overthrow of its workings is needed.
They said they're going to bring ways to spend them before the reset, but I don't expect them to bring 100 items for 1000 doubloons each to the shops.Alternatives would be a new currency for "deeds" to buy the time-limited seasonal/act cosmetics.
I do hope when they reset the doubloons they will automatically exchange any left for gold coins. At least for the people who might not play between now and then.
They should also remove the doubloon rewards from
Bilge RatsAdventures at Sea, as people with multiple accounts or more than 1 pirate in their profile could easily get loads of doubloons every time they reset or have a new one.Again, that sounds like the opposite of a problem? What's wrong with getting a moderate amount of doubloons from completing in-game tasks?
If the doubloons get more rare, the amount you get from those will not represent a moderate amount.
@realstyli said in Doubloon change repeal:
The only issue I see is how it will work with old commendations and whether those will still give doubloons? Because if they do, then a new player would be able to theoretically get more than those of us who already completed those (if I am wrong and they don't give doubloons, feel free to correct this).
Some of them don't anymore (according to the wiki), e.g. skeleton thrones don't, but visiting islands, NPCs and doing voyages in The Roar still do earn you doubloons as do the ones with ligtning your lantern with a colour and lighting beacons on islands.
@phantaxus i defended exclusivity of limited items for years but at that point I just cope with the fact that this game is ,,alive'' because of new players. they are buying emporium stuff = generates money. with more veterans living game each month I can understand that new players are priority for rare.
Yeah, I can't say I'm a fan of the doubloon change. On one end, I see why they're doing it - people with huge amounts could just buy everything immediately, then complain there's nothing to buy/earn. On the other though, I don't think putting new items in there to somewhat mitigate frustrations is enough to justify wiping years of collection progress.
As far as the time limited stuff goes, I've had mindset changes over time. I used to be staunchly in favor of time-limited stuff, and to an extent I still think time-limited stuff ought to be preserved for people who took the time when it was out, but I'm not going to fight an uphill battle that's inevitable.
My thinking/anology of how I feel about FOMO/Time limited cosmetics (good bad or indifferent) is this: If you were to train hard and win a trophy at a sporting event/e-sport, you wouldn't expect/want the audience watching said event, and who put in no work to get that trophy, to get that same trophy, just for watching. Same goes for cosmetics. Not everything has to be available to everyone, all the time.
But again, it's a losing, uphill battle because enough people whine about it, so it is what it is, and doesn't ultimately bother me anymore, regardless of my principles.
@pc-monkfish said in Doubloon change repeal:
If you are hoarding doubloons you clearly have no desire to spend them - or nothing to spend them on.
You are almost there. What, precisely, could be the desire of those people hoarding them be?
Different players have different aims and yes, it might be that you amass a currency just to have it. Let players be themselves and don't take what you easily could solve with a new currency or something. They can bring the temporary store anyway if they want. They break the trust of a whole lot of their loyal players by taking what not all of them want to be taken away. Just take a look on the social media channels
And just for the sake of it, probably people would spend more of their currencies if they can save their current looks in presets, but yet another example that they don't exactly care about the desires of their community
@kachelgucker said in Doubloon change repeal:
You are almost there. What, precisely, could be the desire of those people hoarding them be?
Game evolution shouldn't be hamstrung by a portion of the communities irrational desire to hoard something that currently has no value to them other than number go up.
You never know, post Doubloon Blip there may be cosmetics that you want and rather than buy them instantly you will be compelled to play the game, engage in events, increase encounters.Resetting doubloons outright for everyone is not the right play. It disrespects player's time and effort having played the game for so long. Players asked for a shop to spend all those doubloons on ages ago. And they repeatedly asked for it. And now it sounds like the solution is to offer the shop, but wipe them all. That is not a good solution. I agree, that change should be repealed , or altered, so that it still respects the time players have put in this whole time, while moving forward. Players like myself decided to hold onto them SO THAT when a shop eventually came, they could be spent.
Unless of course I've misunderstood how this works. If you're offering the shop first, cool, I'm going to spend all of them, and change the rest to gold, because I don't want my time spent wasted in a single blip.
@thelostsentinel As Drew specifies in the update video - there will be time limited items up for sale for doubloons that those who have saved up can purchase before the reset. Which is in and of itself a compensation for time spent.
As for the rest - if you were to implement the black market without first balancing the currency you would have to make items in the black market insanely expensive in order to even make a dent in the hoards of doubloons some players are sitting on. Making the black market items insanely expensive would also mean that they would come across as completely unobtainable for new players straight off and for casual players after a rotation or two. To avoid that you'd have to make doubloons even more easily obtainable than they are now. Which in the end would mean absolutely nothing about the currency has been balanced/fixed. On top of that, all you'd get is the store - no monthly event. So less content - which players generally don't seem to be fans of.
@flashkannon5118 god hopefully a gold reset is on the table, I say this as someone with 100M+ saved up. We need to make currency scarce.
@potatosord I was gonna do some doubloon hunting today. I was playing for barely 5 minutes before SoT hit me with an ancient bug that locked the game. I claimed a promotion and the game got stuck on a loading screen for over a minute. I looked at the play timer, and I had only been on for 6 minutes and 45 seconds. I closed the game and I'm just not gonna play today now because I got a softlock bug within 5 minutes of me starting to play the game by doing one of the most basic game features
@mopwieldinghedgehog There are 17 SEASONS of full ship sets, tattoos, and makeup that have not been available since their respective seasons. There is a LOT that they can sell to us that they aren't. Over 1,100 time limited items as listed by the wiki. Even if you ignore half of that (Titles, early player rewards, twitch drops), that would leave over 550 items we haven't been able to get back again. We could easily have things to dump doubloons on but Rare seems to forget that they spent time and effort to make a bunch of stuff they refuse to allow players to get again because they didn't play in a specific 3 month span. 17 seasons is 53 months. 53 MONTHS of time spans that players might have missed.
@lackbarwastaken i also have 100+ million gold and basically bought everything in game but if a gold reset comes around i will be done with this game i know gold is easy to come by but why should i waste my time on a game grinding gold and the devs click a button then its gone!! just give us another gold sink again like the dark adventures stuff /trinkets
