Sure, cross platformimg computer and Xbox is great for adventure mode when playing with friends, but computer players have huge combat advantages. That’s why I think computer and Xbox should be seperated while playing arena mode to eliminate that edge. Even the most skilled console pirates can get annhilated by PC players.
Let’s keep the arena FAIR
@bern-dimaii But pc players still have advantages.
And with a PvP mode, pc players will group with others pc players, and that man, will be very very unfair.
(There will have mixed groups too, and only xbox too)
(Sorry the english)I've no problem killing pc players. The main problem is their loading times on the ferry is soooo much shorter, I can spend an eternity on the black loading screen coming from the ferry or taking a mermaid, that's the real game changer, then there's the bad hit registration and lag they need to sort out, sot is the only online game I experience this bad of lag when I'm on American servers it's shocking, hopefully with the arena being a smaller area it won't have any of these problems.. But to stay on topic here they will never separate console and pc players, aslong as somehow the load times are equal I have no problems with it in a competitive environment
And the PC player can get annhilated by xbox.
I play xbox my crew PC.
Now i cant play with them in Arena? I would dislike that.I've seen enough PC pirates dying to Xbox pirate.
It's more than just the console u play on.
Playing on a PC don't make u insta pr0 skilled pirate.Just please keep loading times same as @UFC-Wolverin3 says
@alexspk13 Yeah separate PC and Xbox, but don't forget to separate controller and kb+m too. Since communication is key in this game we should also make separate servers for different languages as well as mic usage.
Ahoy there, we've a mega thread specifically created to collect feedback and concerns around the Arena. By posting in there your thoughts are easier to locate as single threads tend to be lost in the flow of the forums and new content.
https://www.seaofthieves.com/forum/topic/75705/mega-thread-the-arena-part-2?page=1
I think there should be an Option for input based matchmaking.
Peoples argument for adventure mode was always it’s not competitive (Which I still think is a load of rubbish) so it doesn’t matter.
But even Rare themselves are calling the arena that. I feel if there isn’t at least a choice in there Arena then it won’t be off to a good start at all.
It’s actually my hope that they will finally be addressing the crossplay issue completely when it comes to Arena and adventure. I know a lot of us are still waiting very patiently for Rare to give us a reply like Khalessi said they would so many months ago.
@crimsonraziel said in Let’s keep the arena FAIR:
@alexspk13 Yeah separate PC and Xbox, but don't forget to separate controller and kb+m too. Since communication is key in this game we should also make separate servers for different languages as well as mic usage.
you forgot to separate those with SSD and HDDs, them loading times are important too
what about FPS? different servers for sub30 FPS, 30-60FPS and 60-144FPS and 144+ FPS , cuz apparently FPS somehow gives mad skills to PC player (but not Xbox1X players with Elite controllers also running 60 FPS, they are cool guys they can stay with the console 30 FPS servers)
@squaz05 Is there some data about the impact of monitor/TV screen size? Maybe we should take this into account too.
@shurthugal said in Let’s keep the arena FAIR:
@noisa1992 Hi.
I'm fairly certain that you can not switch into the arena from adventure mode. If you want to go from adventure into arena you have to leave your session, select arena from the start menu and reassemble your crew.
If anyone who definitely knows the answer is around here and I'm wrong about this please correct me.Cheers!
Devs have stated that your crew in Adventure can sail to the Seadog location in-game and join Arena matches from there.
Is the OP suggesting that the Adventure mode is not fair? Any advantage PC has over console is so minute that it's hardly ever noticeable. I don't see how PC players spinning in circles faster is going to give much of a combat advantage. Spinning [fast] like that is very disorientating, and is a hindrance to aiming. Rare has increased controller sensitivity, multiple times, to appease the console players who seem to think otherwise.
Xbone users will have the option for Mouse and Keyboard soon enough. Then we can finally put this miserable topic to rest, once and for all.
In my experience, infantry combat in SoT actually is fair between platforms (and I've been playing nearly every day since the closed alpha), especially now that Xbox has higher sensitivity settings available to them. More than anything, I find that the reason many players simply fail at combat is because they are unknowingly ignorant of the combat mechanics available to them. 95% of the time I play with strangers, I end up teaching them about said mechanics, because they wrongfully assume all there is to combat is slashing, charging, and blocking (and maybe jumping too). If you're one of those players, here's a handy guide to combat I made a long time ago to help people out. sadly, it hasn't gotten much exposure yet. Try it!
@crimsonraziel said in Let’s keep the arena FAIR:
@alexspk13 Yeah separate PC and Xbox, but don't forget to separate controller and kb+m too. Since communication is key in this game we should also make separate servers for different languages as well as mic usage.
But where goes the player using controller and mouse? XD
@barnabas-seadog said in Let’s keep the arena FAIR:
@shurthugal said in Let’s keep the arena FAIR:
@noisa1992 Hi.
I'm fairly certain that you can not switch into the arena from adventure mode. If you want to go from adventure into arena you have to leave your session, select arena from the start menu and reassemble your crew.
If anyone who definitely knows the answer is around here and I'm wrong about this please correct me.Cheers!
Devs have stated that your crew in Adventure can sail to the Seadog location in-game and join Arena matches from there.
No they didn't. You can sail to the Seadog location in Adventure mode so you can buy the cosmetics from inside adventure mode, but in order to play in the Arena you need to go back to the menu and queue up from there - which also means reforming your crew.
PC players will always be better, unless companies who make cross platfrom games like SoT will make it so PC players can't move diractions so fast with there mouse.
they need to buff that movement speed but that will never happen.
and if they do. Pc gamers will gind a way around it very easy i thinkbut i am not a programmer, hope Rare can do something. to keep it indeed fair for PC and Xbox gamers
Eh I disagree. I started out on Xbox in this game and switched over to pc and I haven’t had much of a difference in terms of my skill. Obviously there are advantages to using a pc over an Xbox, but that’s unavoidable. I love playing on Xbox but let’s face it its hardware is equivalent to a budget pc from 3 years ago. They are not going to split pc and Xbox because they are pushing for crossplay as well as the fact that it is a slippery slope.
A few other users have pointed out how out of control this could get if we started separating based on platform, input, FPS locks, Internet speeds, hardware differences etc. Etc. The only legitimate difference would be mouse and keyboard vs controller, but even then there are options out there that close the gap, things like third party dongles, custom controllers, and other input accessories. Never heard of Xbox players complaining about separating scuf and regular controllers or players with hdds and the ones that use external sdds.
Point being is that this is how competitive games work, and the arena will be a competitive game mode...which is optional. So if you are uncomfortable playing it you can stick to adventure mode and still hit pirate legend.
@algaram You would be able to opt into playing against PC players, but not the other way around. So if you have a PC/Xbox crew you would be put into the Crossplay servers. If you play by yourself or with a crew of xbox players you would be able to play in the xbox server or cross-play server. Also, when M&K support is implemented you will be limited to the crossplay servers even if you are on xbox(if you use M&K).
@br0crastinat0r said in Let’s keep the arena FAIR:
For a game created around balance and level playing field, It’s quite unfortunate to have to buy external hardware to compete on console.
We all sail on a sea of salty tears.
Pc gamers are used to upgrading hardware, you expect fairness without having to upgrade your hardware?@squaz05 said in Let’s keep the arena FAIR:
@crimsonraziel said in Let’s keep the arena FAIR:
@alexspk13 Yeah separate PC and Xbox, but don't forget to separate controller and kb+m too. Since communication is key in this game we should also make separate servers for different languages as well as mic usage.
you forgot to separate those with SSD and HDDs, them loading times are important too
what about FPS? different servers for sub30 FPS, 30-60FPS and 60-144FPS and 144+ FPS , cuz apparently FPS somehow gives mad skills to PC player (but not Xbox1X players with Elite controllers also running 60 FPS, they are cool guys they can stay with the console 30 FPS servers)
You're being facetious. What the OP is asking is not a ridiculous suggestion. There are tons of multiplayer games that separate platforms or at least give users the option to. Your comment was not constructive, quit antagonizing.
@barnabas-seadog said in Let’s keep the arena FAIR:
@br0crastinat0r said in Let’s keep the arena FAIR:
For a game created around balance and level playing field, It’s quite unfortunate to have to buy external hardware to compete on console.
We all sail on a sea of salty tears.
Pc gamers are used to upgrading hardware, you expect fairness without having to upgrade your hardware?That’s a pretty ignorant retort. The game’s features and mechanics aren’t designed around what upgrades you can make to your gaming machine. And honestly if you’re upgrading your hurdwurr for advantages on SoT, you should re-evaluate your life’s priorities.
In regards to the topic, this is a tough one. I enjoy playing with and against people regardless of their platform. I have plenty of friends actually from SoT that are pc players. But, there are certainly advantages to playing on pc. There’s aggressive players on console and pc, but I can always tell when an aggressive player is on pc. A good console player is good, but a good pc player is behind me already cutting away with the cutlass.
It’s not a big deal, buttt I can see it possibly getting annoying in arena where I’m actually trying to be competitive. I don’t see the problem with optional cross play tbh. I never understood why pc players are so anti optional crossplay. I’m flattered by your strong desire to play against me and other console players. But if you wanted to opt for only pc servers, I really wouldn’t care.
I never understood why pc players are so anti optional crossplay.
Because they want to keep their advantage. I mean my personal experience wouldn't be negatively effected if they didn't separate M&K (if xbox manages to make it work well), but out of principle I have to say that server separation based on inputs is mandatory if Rare has even a shred of care for the Arena's balance.
@betsill more like based on last known figures, PC makes up less than 14% of total players - and that was when the game had a healthy number of players.
If they segregate the playerbases, they might as well rename the PC version "Sea of Loneliness".
Input based matchmaking is not going to work - it will likely make it worse - because if you are on pc or using an Xbox with a keyboard you are likely going to have both devices connected - so there will be people queuing up into the controller mode and just using kb/m.
more like based on last known figures, PC makes up less than 14% of total players - and that was when the game had a healthy number of players.
If they segregate the playerbases, they might as well rename the PC version "Sea of Loneliness".PC will still have adventure mode, you will also have xbox players playing against them with M&K(if Rare implements it), and as long as there are enough people for 6 crews it will be fine.
Input based matchmaking is not going to work - it will likely make it worse - because if you are on pc or using an Xbox with a keyboard you are likely going to have both devices connected - so there will be people queuing up into the controller mode and just using kb/m.
That's not how it works. If you Q up with a controller in the xbox/controller only Q's keyboard inputs will be blocked. You can switch from M&K to controller mid game by not the other way around.
@alexspk13 said in Let’s keep the arena FAIR:
Sure, cross platformimg computer and Xbox is great for adventure mode when playing with friends, but computer players have huge combat advantages. That’s why I think computer and Xbox should be seperated while playing arena mode to eliminate that edge. Even the most skilled console pirates can get annhilated by PC players.
They updated the control sensitivity; the difference really is not that bad now. I feel very competitive now when playing on Xbox now days so there is that.
You just need to increase the speed of your controls and in some situations Xbox controller actually has some advantages.
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