PvP grips that make me tired of the game

  • red ninja monky
    Founder

    I've seen a lot of people on here are very territorial about how pvp should and shouldn't played. But this is just my opinion of what has made me on and off this game.

    The last few times I've played SOT one person boards our boat. They are armed with a shotgun and they simply jump left and right rapidly and fire their gun. The jumping is too fast to counter and dishes everything they use this to get close and one-shot you. Clearing your whole crew you try to respawn but they are waiting in the perfect spot to take you out in seconds. Call us bad but there is no way of countering a fast boi playing the game like COD :/

    Just a simple way of clocking how many times you can jump rapidly and temporary invincibility when you spawn to stop spawn killing. Because these people grief our ship long after we scuttle it. It happens every time I log on and has actually made me bored of putting up with fast close quarter fights. What happened to a good ol' cannon shoot out?

    I guess if this is just a problem my crew face (fast pirates and spawn farming where scuttling sucks all the fun out) then I guess share you story? It could just be me but this one pvp happens far too often and puts m off the game constantky

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  • Gloog
    Master
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    Cancel reload during jump

    And/or

    Make accuracy horrible during a jump.

  • NWO Malice

    Atleast you found people willing to fight. The last 3 ive encountered just sailed out of the map and sank like cowards.

  • MaliceVanRow
    Captain

    It's not hard to hit jumpers. Requesting a Nerf to the mechanics to suit your style play is poor sport in my opinion. I mean no disrespect, if others can deal with it and take these type of players out, then there is no argument here really.

  • lOOpct
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    If lunging with the sword has a slowing effect, jumping successively should also result in some form of exhaustion

  • Kzoo Kid
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    You are just getting outplayed, plain and simple. If all you have to do is jump around then maybe you should just jump around. But we all know that won't solve your issue because there is much more to it. Seriously, you are just getting outplayed. Instead of complaining, just improve.

  • DominoTheAngry

    In my experience since day one, I know how deadly and popular the blunderbuss is, most people (from my experience) use it. For background to my advice, I play solo A LOT. Start using a flintlock, and pay close attention to the sound of people swimming or climbing your ladder. The blunderbuss weapon swap to cutlass is insta-death, anything outside its range is minimal. Use a flintlock, get used to it and make your shot count. Otherwise I don't really see the issue realistically. Also I'm probably one of players you don't like, me and my crew will sit on your ship, not necessarily to grief you, but to take your wood, cannonballs, and bananas (IMO just as important as loot). Scuttling your ship is always the option if there is no voice communication or a deal you can work out. Being on the receiving end of the behavior I UNDERSTAND what you mean but I've MADE friends that way just by chatting while having them sit on board my sloop, getting salty usually throws fuel into the fire. Might not be a response you like but I hope I delivered respectfully. Good luck and happy sailing.

  • Genuine Heather
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    @kzoo-kid said in PvP grips that make me tired of the game:

    You are just getting outplayed, plain and simple. If all you have to do is jump around then maybe you should just jump around. But we all know that won't solve your issue because there is much more to it. Seriously, you are just getting outplayed. Instead of complaining, just improve.

    The jumping around is just stupid. It shouldn’t be an effective way to fight, and if it is, then something needs to change.

  • Kzoo Kid
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    @genuine-heather you should really take a step back and read that from a 3rd person perspective. "I get outplayed by people who jump, therefore jumping should not be allowed/should be nerfed". It's really silly to expect developers to change their game around your inability to be good at it.

  • Genuine Heather
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    @kzoo-kid said in PvP grips that make me tired of the game:

    @genuine-heather you should really take a step back and read that from a 3rd person perspective. "I get outplayed by people who jump, therefore jumping should not be allowed/should be nerfed". It's really silly to expect developers to change their game around your inability to be good at it.

    If that's what you read, you may need to work on your reading comprehension skills. I said jumping around as a tactic is stupid and shouldn't work. I never said I got "outplayed". My comment was referring to a ridiculous mechanic that is very distracting and disruptive to immersion. It makes no sense. People just don't move like that. It's absurd.

    But to address the ubiquitous and ever pompous "git gud" argument, how are average players supposed to compete with a kid who spends every waking hour doing nothing but PvP? It's just not realistic and I accept that. It doesn't mean I have the "inability to be good at it," it simply means I have a life.

    When I do engage in battle, I like the game to make some kind of sense. When a game makes sense, I can use my intelligence and experience to compensate for my lack of controller skills. The ship combat in SoT is like that. I can outsail a lot of people using strategy and wits, and I'm pretty good with a cannon. It's only the up-close and personal stuff where I usually get creamed. I'm getting better all the time, and sometimes I get lucky. But as I said, I'll never be on the same level as someone who spends all their time doing nothing but PvP.

    If the close combat mechanics made a bit more sense, I'd have a lot better chance of succeeding. But the game is what it is. I don't really expect them to change much, so this is more of a "what if" than a demand or expectation. That said, I still think jumping around like a monkey looks stupid and shouldn't work.

    If you really want to be helpful, you could offer some practical tips instead of just telling people to "git gud."

  • WarlordWoody22

    @genuine-heather

    Eating a banana to restore health and keep from drowning is more unrealistic that a parkour enthusiastic pirate, IMO but no one complains about this.

    An easy tactic to employ against jumpers with a blunderbuss is don’t let them get up your ladder in the first place, keep the enemy at a distance and hammer them with cannon balls, listen for swimmers and guard those ladders.

    If they do board, just keep them at a distance, blunderbuss needs to be up close, so just run around and bait out their shots with a banana in hand. They will run out of ammo. Keeping a pistol on hand helps too, watch their jump and shoot them on the downward side of the landing phase.

    I play on max sensitivity as far as general goes, pistol sensitivity lower for higher accuracy at mid range.

    Getting chased on your sloop? Throw them a doozy and climb up your ladder through the window by the ammo box. Come up behind them and pistol sword combo for the win.

    I don’t really see jumpers as that big of a problem, learning to adapt to and counter your enemies strategy is a big part of this game.

    As far as the blunderbuss goes, after its rebalance I’m glad when I see an enemy using it, for me that’s an easy kill

  • WarlordWoody22

    @genuine-heather

    And by the way, just because someone can adapt better than you, is willing to put themselves into situations and learn from the experience better than you, does not mean they have no life, just a better understanding of how combat works and the will to get better.

  • Pirate Abdi

    @kzoo-kid yo go play Minecraft pls

  • Johhn0
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    Add a stamina bar for jumping and repairing.

    Two dumb issues fixed instantly.

  • Captain Fob4141
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    @dominotheangry said in PvP grips that make me tired of the game:

    In my experience since day one, I know how deadly and popular the blunderbuss is, most people (from my experience) use it. For background to my advice, I play solo A LOT. Start using a flintlock, and pay close attention to the sound of people swimming or climbing your ladder. The blunderbuss weapon swap to cutlass is insta-death, anything outside its range is minimal. Use a flintlock, get used to it and make your shot count. Otherwise I don't really see the issue realistically. Also I'm probably one of players you don't like, me and my crew will sit on your ship, not necessarily to grief you, but to take your wood, cannonballs, and bananas (IMO just as important as loot). Scuttling your ship is always the option if there is no voice communication or a deal you can work out. Being on the receiving end of the behavior I UNDERSTAND what you mean but I've MADE friends that way just by chatting while having them sit on board my sloop, getting salty usually throws fuel into the fire. Might not be a response you like but I hope I delivered respectfully. Good luck and happy sailing.

    Love the flintlock :D

  • red ninja monky
    Founder

    I'm happy some people ae on the same page as myself and I respect the fact that people see no problem with jump strats and have their methods of dealing with it. Let's just not get into a 'git gud' argument :s

  • red ninja monky
    Founder

    @dominotheangry I use the flintlock too, it's an awesome gun, perhaps I'm not playing careful enough and sitting back like yourself (I will try staying back like you said) I only play with my friends so there is always communication but non of us can have the patience or clear mind to scuttle our darling ship so I am being less responsible on that part :)

    Your response is solid bud. I wish I could talk things out more like you do and tbh if you're boarding a ship for planks etc that's fine wimce your there for a reason. Even stealing chests is what I expect from a player. Safe sailings my friend :)

  • PRIVATE RAMB0

    I love the PvP in this game but the Fortnite bunny hopping nearly ruins it. Most will agree. Make jumping stamina, it’s a basic feature people expect.

  • Kzoo Kid
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    @genuine-heather if you want tips I can give you tips. I never once said "git gud" in this discussion. You acknowledge that you aren't as good at others at PVP yet you complain that you lose due to inferior PVP mechanics. .. you can complain about immersion but that's a completely different argument than what has been presented so far. If you are genuinely concerned about immersion then you would be complaining about pirates shooting out of cannons rather than pirates having unrealistic cardiovascular capabilities lol

  • Kzoo Kid
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    As a reminder, this argument was about jumping around having "no counterplay". This is simply not the case. Immersion arguments are valid but off-topic.

  • Lord Pharqwad
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    @red-ninja-monky If youre on controller I switched jump to LB, the equipment menu to RB and the quest menu to A. That way you can jump, aim and melee without taking your thumb off the joystick which helped me alot...
    A little trick from the bumper jumper Halo 2 days

  • DominoTheAngry

    @red-ninja-monky yea man i feel bad slightly when i hear ppl CLEARLY upset, but We had the time to pull up drop anchor and board. Theres been a handful of times ppl just got what we are doin and they were able to sail off with their loot since they were still progressing, and i will never say "git gud" its just rude. But yea def stay back or jump on the railing, my motto is im a sea squirrel and ALWAYS on lookout. :) Best of luck to you and if negotiations fail and they just want to grief just scuttle, saves time, I wasted 15min trying to be friendly haha. We've all been there :)

  • norloc
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    @pirate-abdi

    is minecraft the only other game you know about, ive seen you post this response at least 5 times today alone lol

  • Jolie Nivea
    Ship Mate

    I blame fortnite for this

  • Yarrnor

    If I'll be honest I think the pvp element of this game is as unfinished as the game itself. Cannon vs cannon is boring and slow, boarding is predictable and dull. Weapon style Meta is really uncreative and the so called fort hotspots are lag ridden and a combination of all the above. I don't think anyone should be expecting a rich pvp space until the game is matured. I consider this game more of a social simulator than a dynamic pvp battleground.

  • Galactic Geek
    Seafarer
    Founder

    @tat-lilac I blame mouse and keyboard supported PC players for this...

  • WarOnPants2664
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    @red-ninja-monky Ignoring hackers, pvp will never be fair as long as cross play exists. PC players will always and forever dominate console players. I can usually destroy crews in pvp(I play on console), but to the degree I can dominate against most other console players I get beat way worse by PC players.

  • norloc
    Marauder
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    read an interesting article after E3 regarding the next gen xbox console. one of the developers stated that there may only be one more console before they die out (all platforms) because devs will just stream them out themselves and it would only be for pc. sounds like its likely to have more and more pc players than console as time goes on. I'm a console guy so i don't know how i feel about this yet, but i guess we better get used to it

  • Capn Jackal585
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    I play on xbox1.Going up against a good pc player I’m at a disadvantage and accept that. On land and in water they kill me a lot. In any engagement take the enemy where they don’t want to go. In the cargo hold they have less maneuverability and that is a fight I can win. I usually equip with a flintlock and cutlass.

  • Genuine Heather
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    @warlordwoody22 said in PvP grips that make me tired of the game:

    @genuine-heather

    And by the way, just because someone can adapt better than you, is willing to put themselves into situations and learn from the experience better than you, does not mean they have no life, just a better understanding of how combat works and the will to get better.

    That comment was just plain insulting. I have no trouble adapting and learning from experience, thank you very much. In fact I mentioned that I’m getting better. My point was that someone who spends every waking minute doing PvP in the game will naturally have a lot more experience with PvP. I don’t play the game that way. I actually enjoy a lot of different aspects of the game, not just PvP. To me, spending all your time on PvP is wasting the experience. Naturally, others have different points of view, and that’s fine. We play different games.

  • Genuine Heather
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    @kzoo-kid said in PvP grips that make me tired of the game:

    @genuine-heather if you want tips I can give you tips. I never once said "git gud" in this discussion. You acknowledge that you aren't as good at others at PVP yet you complain that you lose due to inferior PVP mechanics. .. you can complain about immersion but that's a completely different argument than what has been presented so far. If you are genuinely concerned about immersion then you would be complaining about pirates shooting out of cannons rather than pirates having unrealistic cardiovascular capabilities lol

    Let’s get something clear, I wasn’t complaining. My entire point was that...listen closely...jumping around like a monkey in combat is stupid. It looks stupid. It makes no sense. It’s annoying and distracting. I wasn’t “complaining” about losing. I was complaining because it’s STUPID.

    Capiche?

  • Genuine Heather
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    @warlordwoody22 By the way, your first post was helpful. Thanks for that. But don’t insult my intelligence.

  • norloc
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    @genuine-heather

    Might be dumb, but cant deny, just like every other game. Its effective

  • Genuine Heather
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    @norloc said in PvP grips that make me tired of the game:

    @genuine-heather

    Might be dumb, but cant deny, just like every other game. Its effective

    I don’t know if it’s really that effective or not. Some people seem to think it’s easily beatable. It’s only happened to me a couple times, and they killed me, but I was so inexperienced at the time they probably would have killed me anyway. So I don’t know. The one thing I do know is it looks absurd and is annoying as all get out.

  • LogansDadToo
    Founder

    If we are complaining about jumping, has anyone touched on the real issue of pc players being able to run away, jump, spin 180 degrees shoot & continue to run away all in 1 continuous fluid movement??
    Impossible to recreate on a controller & is 1 of the many issues with forced crossplay!!

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