Nerf the sword ASAP

The stun time is less than half of what it used to be and hasn't been changed in months. The only reason it's a problem now is because the Time To Kill (TTK) for the sword has been reduced due to increased damage.

The sword was ineffective at the higher TTK because it was possible to escape, eat food and undo whatever damage the sword did. Compared to using 2 guns, where you could deal over 100 damage in less than 2 seconds, there was a huge discrepancy in TTK which lead to a meta shift towards guns.

The changes you are asking for would just push the sword back into being a weak weapon. If reaction time to being attacked is too short, then a global damage reduction across all weapons is needed to keep TTK values similar across the board.

the sword is in the perfect spot, imo. It's meant to be an up close weapon and it does massive damage up close. Each weapon has a very good use for different scenarios. I think it's important to remember that weapons aren't just for PvP, there is a whole PvE world out there. These weapons are balanced for PvPvE, not just PvP and not just PvE.

@galactic-geek said in Nerf the sword ASAP:

In my experience, most pirates "spam" the sword simply because they are too lazy to take the time to learn about the mechanics associated with the sword. They seem to think that attack, block, and charge are all it's capable of. If that's you, then you're wrong.

uuuuh, I think it's pretty unfair to say that players are too lazy to learn the advanced sword moves that are only found by engaging in the community outside of normal game play. Not learning game meta doesn't mean you're lazy, in fact, the vast majority of players have no idea what game metas are.

@bubah1z1 sagte in Nerf the sword ASAP:

@goose-ro-dah People on these forums are mainly PvE which is to sad.
They don't understand when something is Overpowered they all back eachother up when dubble gunning was a thing but yeh..

I may ask you what is/was the counter to a Doublegunner???

A cutlass combo or to be a doublegunner by yourself and better skilled aim and such?

So now we have another counter and the counter to this is, use a cutlass by yourself and learn to use it, because its not skill less and spammy. If you say so to me this sounds just dismissive refusing to adapt or beeing clueless or both.
Or because you are so skillfull PvP focussed player you can stay at distance and easily shoot any cutlass user 2 times in under 2s to kill him.

Edit: I know aim skill is hard to train, but as in the other thread this is not a shooter game. And we dont want it to make a shooter game.
Not fps, but fpp (perspective) as in the other thread is already said.
The shooter players come here since Arena is a thing and want to change the gsme to their needs.
What do we tell players asking to change the game to their needs?
No, adapt or die!
Also the majority is casuals playing, so the game need to balance around them and not pro e Sport gamers.
This is not R6S!

Pro Tip: Boarding ships is mostly close combat, using ranged weapons for close combat it's maybe a bad decision?, but who i am to tell you, because i'm just a PvE Lord with a stupid pirate fantasy right!?

To cry because you dont want to use the cutlass, for whatever reason and have your DG meta countered/ balanced an then asking the devs to cater to your playstyle is like people asking for PvE Servers - cater to me wants or i cry on the forums!

the combat and weapons were allways to be meant to be situationally usefull.
There is no cutlass only loadout and we all have to use a gun here and there and it is usefull.
the cutlass is usefull too, for PvE for sure, for PvP as well, now that it's buffed and viable again.

If before the only viable counter to DG was to DG by yourself, then now it is neccessary to counter a cutlass with a cutlass or just keep the distance and dont ask for the viability of ranged weapons in close combat!
that sounds not very much like a skilled PvPer tbh.

@goose-ro-dah sagte in Nerf the sword ASAP:

@bugaboo-bill You’ve just ignored everything I’ve argued and gone on your own rant buddy...

Try countering my arguments please but keep it short. Maybe we can actually get somewhere.

Give me a hint, what post? 1st?
I havent read all posts of this thread, just quick read over.
I'll do and i'll be respectfull.

Also Edited above, i know having trained aim is something completely different. I played CS 1.6 competetiveley, but thats a long time ago.
But as i said it's not R6S it's an fpp pirate adventure playground.
Most players just dont wanted to be a highly skilled fps game.
And Rare need to balance around all players.

@goose-ro-dah sagte in Nerf the sword ASAP:

As a sword user myself, I can easily say that I’ve seen the sword take less and less skill to use over the last two years. It’s at the most ridiculous point that I’ve ever seen and is clearly in need of balancing.

as i said - if you compare that to train mm and good aim, this is true. But this is not a FPS game.
And many players dont want it to be an FPS Game or just have an FPS Meta for PVP.
I see you want that, but Rare needs to balance the game for all players, not just those who want PvP an FPS game only or mostly!

Almost everyone who will consistently do pvp in this game will agree that sword spam at the moment is far too easy to use and far too hard to break out of.

As i allways say, the game is a PvPvE game or PvEvP.
To limit yourself and aproach it only in one aspect of it is your own limitation to do so. And you ask to change the game to have more PvP focus, when the devs allways state, at least with Ships of Fortune Update, that the game is both PvE and PvP.
To demand fps gameplay for PvP is as to ask for PvE Servers.
Both not gonna happen, because its not what you think it is.
Its nor a PvP FPS neither a PvE only game!

This is especially true for double gunners. A 2v1 on a sloop for example, against two sword spammers, feels more like a marathon than a video game.

then be a smart and skilled pirate and use a cutlass too!
What is the problem in using a cutlass?
You said you are a sword player, but now you are arguing from a DGers PoV.
The Sword never needed that much skill, except the exploit maybe, when you could cancel a stunlock after a lunge.
And again: the game is played by a majority of casual or fun players and not meant to be th next highly competetive e-Sport FPS!

edit: Even Arena was and is not. Ask some R6S Pro's and let them watch Arena, do you think they would even consider to play this game???

@vision-mintz

Arena was outsourced afaik and is developed by another team or even studio idk for sure.
what i think is bad, is to have two game versions regarding combat mechanics.
I until dislike Arena, its not my thing, because i'm more of a open world player and also like to PvP there more, but from the OP's PoV i'm more of a casual PvPer and do PvP whenever it occurs, i welcome PvP as long as it is playfull and not too serious tbh.
If i want serious PvP i go play a pvp shooter or RTS game online or whatever.

@vision-mintz

i agree - maybe this is where the problem lies is buried - and i said that before Arena was a thing and just announced.

I fully understand that for a competetive only mode like Arena, the combat over time feels dull.
I was against the Arena "split", to me SoT is the Adventure mode and the "social experience" with your, rival and cooperating crews.
Tha'ts the "main game" i care for.
When Arena was announced i exactly said that.
It will attract another kind of player, with different demands.
See, the dedicated PvPers and streamers made some exploits in combat popular, not just when Arena got live, but then it became popular and a "playstyle" to use glitches and tuck on the roof of the sloop for example. Animationbreaks became popular and a meta for PvP.
Lets say because it was not challenging enough for pvp focussed players and also because it was great to dominate the sea.
But this is not what the majority wants, at least the majority of players who play adventure in all aspects - so pve and pvp in a balanced way and as it occures when you do Forts or nowadays hoist emissary flags to give incentive to get attacked etc...

opened pandora's bo and now we deal with a even more split community or lets say with more opposing playstyles in total.

To have dedicated PvPers around is completely fine, but we need to have an overall balance for all players and the combat system, especiall because we have PvP allways around, needs to be balanced as well.

So the relatively low skillgap is needed and by design and yes for Arena solely this is maybe bad - i agree on that.

@galactic-geek said in Nerf the sword ASAP:

@xx-mirth-xx The sword dodge is easily doable by holding block and moving as you jump.

The running slash is almost the same - hold block and move, then tap attack.

These are EASY to figure out, and in-game too (I figured it out by accident within the 1st week of sailing), yet many pirates never use them - either because they're blind to the usefulness of the mechanic, or simply blind to its existence altogether! And you don't see that as a problem?

You're missing my point. Yes, learning the meta isn't HARD, but my point was that it was unfair to call players lazy for not learning the meta. The very definition of metagame is to learn "beyond" the core game/rules.

@g0eatapoptart sagte in Nerf the sword ASAP:

The problem is people just spam without any consequences.

I made a post suggesting adding an improved sword block feature. If there was an added ability to block/counter those that are able to use it properly vs spamming should be rewarded by gaining the advantage in combat. The reason it feels bad is theres no skill involved in people running around flailing swords with no consequences. Improve sword vs sword combat by improving block to only effect the blocked player.

i really have no probem to block cutlass attacks - i block in every duell i have, if i see someone headleassly "spamming m1 running torwards" i block and i do that mostly successfully.

maybe here in lies some skill that FPS focussed players need to get used to a little more?