Cross-Play, can players on PC have the same considerations as console players?

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@scoobywrx555 said in Cross-Play, can players on PC have the same considerations as console players?:

@needsmokes said in Cross-Play, can players on PC have the same considerations as console players?:

@scoobywrx555

you can see what platform they use

Yeah it was this part I didn't understand how, unless you mean everyone has just been looking at the gamerscore then scrolling down their game list if visible.

While it can be an indication, looking at their profile is not a full-proof way to figure out what platform they are on.

They could be on Xbox One but on a new account, which would explain a low gamerscore.

Similarly, there are players like me who primarily play on PC but formerly played on Xbox and continue to pay for Gold for other reasons. So anyone looking at my profile would logically think I am an Xbox One player... I have 11 years of Gold and over 70K gamerscore, it would make sense.

The icon next to the name is still the best indication, if they are appearing online that is.

@needsmokes

@L4chsFPS

The playerbase for PC is huge, trust me, i have been watching recent players list a long time, and i see more on PC than Xbox currently.. You'll be fine, and there will still be many, myself included often, who will still sail the seas with all players.

Nothing personal, but your anecdotal experience means very little in this topic. Their is very good reason we don't use anecdotal over actual hard data. Had we used it, every post about how the seas are this 24/7 slug pc hackerfest with everyone and anyone spawn-camping everyone is suddenly true. Yet, my very on anecdotal experience states the opposite is not true?

The only hard data we have is the 34% population from a while back, Pc players have genuine concern about are gaming experience with losing access to the larger pool. Yet so many people brush off our concerns over some percieved notion that we are bullies only salty over losing our victims. Its disingenuous, and quite frankly annoying that our concerns aren't getting answered. If Arena is the example we have to go off on how things will go, their is good cause to be concerned on how that went.

The whole argument of people paying gold getting more say is a nonsense argument. Lets face reality, the only reason most pay for Gold is that Xbox forces you too. I pity the people here who have been suckered into believing that the only way Xbox can support online is through double dipping from their user base. You pay for internet already, you shouldn't have to pay for online again. Pc gaming has zero issues supporting the same quality of online without charging a fee. The only reason they don't attempt it is because the user-base wouldn't stand for it.

@nabberwar said in Cross-Play, can players on PC have the same considerations as console players?:

@needsmokes

@L4chsFPS

The playerbase for PC is huge, trust me, i have been watching recent players list a long time, and i see more on PC than Xbox currently.. You'll be fine, and there will still be many, myself included often, who will still sail the seas with all players.

Nothing personal, but your anecdotal experience means very little in this topic. Their is very good reason we don't use anecdotal over actual hard data. Had we used it, every post about how the seas are this 24/7 slug pc hackerfest with everyone and anyone spawn-camping everyone is suddenly true. Yet, my very on anecdotal experience states the opposite is not true?

The only hard data we have is the 34% population from a while back, Pc players have genuine concern about are gaming experience with losing access to the larger pool. Yet so many people brush off our concerns over some percieved notion that we are bullies only salty over losing our victims. Its disingenuous, and quite frankly annoying that our concerns aren't getting answered. If Arena is the example we have to go off on how things will go, their is good cause to be concerned on how that went.

Unfortunately years of time and memes, videos and now streamers spouting "PC master_ race" has probably left a sour taste in console gamers. (Xbox,Playstation, Nintendo) Being called a console peasant wasn't a good choice of words either used by those on the PC side. It is sad.

@scoobywrx555 said in Cross-Play, can players on PC have the same considerations as console players?:

@realstyli said in [Cross-Play, can players on PC hav

The icon next to the name

I was just curious about the 'icon' whatever it is (anyone got a screenshot of it?) Must only be on the xbox app because I'm not seeing on the win10 version.
The icon would be a better indicator, as more xbox games appear the same on win10, so you would have to look for those games that are xbox or win10 only. Then again if you have a digital copy you could be playing on either.

On PC, it doesn't appear in the Xbox Companion App anymore. You can see it in the Game Bar (Win+G) in the social part... However it works opposite to Xbox, showing an icon next to console players.

I also don't think you can see recent players there, IIRC, so not really much use - you have to check recent players in the companion app or website but you don't see icons in those places. Maybe there is another way, but I've never felt the need to check.

So much easier for console players to tell who is on which platform, I think.

@usualbarley8154 said in Cross-Play, can players on PC have the same considerations as console players?:

@realstyli said in Cross-Play, can players on PC have the same considerations as console players?:

So much easier for console players to tell who is on which platform, I think.

Nope. Its always been easy for everyone, watch some streamers, see how they talk about people doing "xbox turns" see the ones who got excited when they got on a boat and saw maybe only 1 pc player to be a threat to them...
Its always been an easy spot for those of us on console too. If anything the feature coming to Xbox to show us just confirmed what we knew.

"Xbox turns" are not 100% either. You get that on PC with a controller too and it's usually because they haven't set their sensitivity high enough... I have my controller on the highest sensitivity and could do with more, TBH, but I bet I still do that same turn if anyone is watching me.

@d3adst1ck
I should amend my initial statement of them attempting, because I did forget about that train-wreck, but many other games have tried this as well. Subscription model, with few exceptions, just isn't reliable when it comes to PC gaming.

@usualbarley8154 said in Cross-Play, can players on PC have the same considerations as console players?:

@realstyli

I mean, nothing but the icon is 100% but 100% aint really required either... sure dude could be using a controller on pc, most pc dont, but could be, is he also typing at will probably not a chatpad if hes sitting at a pc... and theres numerous other tells.

There was a guy I was playing with recently I was convinced he was on PC with a controller because he was typing so fast and it didn't interrupt his flow, and he was really good at the game. I friended him and realised he was on console as I could see the icon once he was in my friendlist.

Its always been easy, and since we got the way to confirm I find I'm almost never wrong.

Whenever I think I am always right I remember the old saying "you don't know what you don't know". Worth bearing in mind whenever you think you are infallible.

@needsmokes

Not many are playing arena on PC anymore as they lost the god mode when xbox players went into the opt out lobbies. The xbox lobbies are fine and the mode is fun to play. Will the same happen in adventure mode too, when players suddenly realize they are just average at the game after all?

This is exactly what I'm talking about earlier, my concerns are dismissed because its this thought of Pc players are just bullies. I and the majority of Pc players love competition, this idea that we only like easy targets is nonsense.

Xbox vs Xbox is cheat free online, and needs to stay that way.

Its not cheat free, plenty of routes to do it.

@needsmokes
Packet editing is a thing. Just because you choose to refuse the fact that your system isn't some perfect wall between you and cheaters doesn't deny the reality of it.

@pomalotacusmk3 said in Cross-Play, can players on PC have the same considerations as console players?:

@WithMyApologies you already have an Xbox, a controller, and gold. Your path to Xbox only servers is pretty obvious. You'll just have to give up the pc. Lets say the local speedway is having a mini cooper event. You dont get to race in your McLaren just because you also own a mini.

Their argument was, they pay for Xbox Live and use a controller, so apparently they get some special privilege for that. I was pointing out, I do the same, but I don't get the same privilege.

Where I choose to play makes no difference, I'm paying, just like they are. What happens when the Series X comes out? Your argument then falls flat on it's face as there will then be Mclaren's in the Mini race. The choice of hardware is irrelevant.

@pomalotacusmk3 said in Cross-Play, can players on PC have the same considerations as console players?:

Let the pc players have the same choice as Xbox players. Xbox can choose open servers or xbox with controller servers.

Give pc players the choice of open servers, or pc with controller servers.

If they really must play on the Xbox controller servers...buy an Xbox and a controller, easy!

Please explain to me how you justify telling anyone that they have to pay and buy a xbox, which btw is a downgrade for me personally, to gain access to controller only servers is acceptable. Yet when I tell you that if the better performance of my machine is bothering you to just buy a PC isn't? It would be a significant improvement for you or ask Rare to remove that FPS cap, give you more settings to boost your performance, as your xbox can handle more than you are getting.

Why would I in a xbox play anywhere title, a game that promised no compromise crossplay and the design mantra: no asterisk crossplay, be required to now buy a xbox to experience a balanced input based matchmaking?

Why would anyone need to make their PC a dust collector, not to be used, in order to be given the same options as others regarding balanced gameplay? Mouse and keyboard vs controller isn't balanced right? It is why controller input is being given their own servers.

I didn't buy my PC for one game and not planning on buying a xbox for one game option. I didn't save up to buy something that should last me 8 to 10 years, as my previous one did, to now replace it with a different machine. I work hard for my money, I have adult responsibilities and limitations regarding my budget. Telling people it is fair just spend money on more hardware is not something that one should do and in that case, just buy a high end PC. You have that choice afterall. According to everyone here it comes with free xbox live, so no need to keep paying Microsoft monthly. It functions with your TV, it supports all types of controllers and will provide you with smoother gameplay. Sounds like a winner!

Controller only for all allows everyone to get the best of all worlds! Spend that money, get a PC and enjoy the improved gameplay with the controller in an environment where you do not have to deal with mouse and keyboard. That's acceptable after all, money isn't a limiting factor for you, just spend it... I sadly do not have that luxury and your PC if you spend enough money will be significantly better than mine, as it is 3 years old by now. I won't complain that you have more performance, you spent more money after all.

@usualbarley8154 said in Cross-Play, can players on PC have the same considerations as console players?:

@cotu42

Couple of errors in your post.

1. you mistake, as most do, what "no asterisk" meant.

No asterisk crossplay, for each feature the question should be: Why is that not on a PC, why is that not on a xbox?

So in this case:
Why is controller input only servers not on a PC? Why is it only on a xbox?

Why is in a crossplay title a *xbox only tag added to this feature?

According to Rare:

No Compromise Cross Play in Sea of Thieves | Inside Xbox

Maybe you should view the explanation, it was on the official xbox channel.

2. Live Gold does not come with windows, everyone here is wrong.

Nobody said you have to give up your subscription to gold if you dont want to. It isn't needed with Windows 10 in my opinion, as Microsoft gives you access to the online environment of xbox live if you buy their latest OS. If you want the other perks like the free games, feel free to keep it.

@usualbarley8154 said in Cross-Play, can players on PC have the same considerations as console players?:

@quietrobot said in Cross-Play, can players on PC have the same considerations as console players?:

@usualbarley8154 said in Cross-Play, can players on PC have the same considerations as console players?:

You have exactly the same options as console players.

It doesn't seem that this is happening with the input device filter. 🤷🏻‍♂️

@scoobywrx555 I think that with XGP sooner or later they will eliminate the online payment on console.

It really is. There's nothing at all stopping you from playing on Xbox with controllers only, like us. You have the same choices to make with regards to that as we do.

So if someone owns a PC and wants to play SoT with a controller in an opt-out server, your solution is, "buy an Xbox"?

Or, they could have made crossplay opt-out input based and it would be fairer for everyone across both platforms and wouldn't require any forced purchase to continue playing how they would like to.

@usualbarley8154 said in Cross-Play, can players on PC have the same considerations as console players?:

@quietrobot

Only one set of players is paying to play online.

So go and take that up with Microsoft if you feel so strongly. No-one here can help you with that.

@usualbarley8154 sagte in Cross-Play, can players on PC have the same considerations as console players?:

@withmyapologies said in Cross-Play, can players on PC have the same considerations as console players?:

@usualbarley8154 said in Cross-Play, can players on PC have the same considerations as console players?:

@quietrobot

Only one set of players is paying to play online.

So go and take that up with Microsoft if you feel so strongly. No-one here can help you with that.

We did, thats why we have a matchmaking preference for xbox and controller only coming.

Opt-out is not being introduced because one side pays for online access.

@usualbarley8154 Were you?