Doubloon Currency - Developer Update

  • @pure-xreactions said in Doubloon Currency - Developer Update:

    @d3adst1ck it has everything to do with gold currency, because the people who had it changed complained that they spent all their doubloons on gold for other cosmetics. That extra gold they got from transferred doubloons I had to work extra for.

    Last week you were all complaining how it’s not fair because you transferred your doubloons. This week it’s a problem because I believe they are defeating the purpose of these items with this change. Im making the same argument you all were making last week but just in reverse. Bunch of hypocrites if you ask me.

    Are you not getting gold when they convert them for you? Why should you get an extra bonus for doing absolutely nothing?

  • @europa4033 that’s your opinion, and it was their choice. The fact that you can be rewarded for doubloons you’ve already spent for items that are rewards for “hoarding doubloons” is disingenuous. Just actually read that. The message they are trying to convey vs what they are actually doing MAKES NO SENSE.

    The roles have absolutely been reversed. Last week rare announces that they will be giving rewards to people who have held on to the quoting you “useless currency.” You guys complained so much to the point where rare changed their decision accommodate YOU. Rewarding you for “hoarding doubloons” which you have ALREADY SPENT. If you actually read that it makes no sense. Rewarding players for “hoarding” a currency which they already spent. it’s laughable really.

  • @pure-xreactions said in Doubloon Currency - Developer Update:

    @europa4033 that’s your opinion, and it was their choice. The fact that you can be rewarded for doubloons you’ve already spent for items that are rewards for “hoarding doubloons” is disingenuous. Just actually read that. The message they are trying to convey vs what they are actually doing MAKES NO SENSE.

    The roles have absolutely been reversed. Last week rare announces that they will be giving rewards to people who have held on to the quoting you “useless currency.” You guys complained so much to the point where rare changed their decision accommodate YOU. Rewarding you for “hoarding doubloons” which you have ALREADY SPENT. If you actually read that it makes no sense. Rewarding players for “hoarding” a currency which they already spent. it’s laughable really.

    It's not rewarding players for hoarding a currency they spent. It's rewarding those who've earned them over the lifetime they've played the game, using them or hoarding them makes zero difference. Why you fail to see this is beyond me. This system is so much better, because it rewards the total amount earned by everyone.

  • @d3adst1ck “doing nothing” I could say the same to you. You’re getting a reward for hoarding a currency that you have already spent. It makes no sense.

  • @pure-xreactions Sure it does.

    I don't even know if I have enough lifetime doubloons to reach the cutoff. If I don't, oh well I didn't earn it but at least this is the fair way to treat something that is being discontinued.

  • @europa4033 as of last week rewarding “hoarding doubloons” was what this was all about. It’s still what it’s about for the remainder of items. Until you guys complained to the point where rare changed it. All because you guys felt left out due to decision you made on your own. Rewarding you for “hoarding doubloons” when you’ve spent every last one of them is disingenuous. Simple as that.

  • @pure-xreactions said in Doubloon Currency - Developer Update:

    @europa4033 as of last week rewarding “hoarding doubloons” was what this was all about. It’s still what it’s about for the remainder of items. Until you guys complained to the point where rare changed it. All because you guys felt left out due to decision you made on your own.

    ...by using an option Rare put in the game since there was no place else to spend them on, only to be penalized for it? Come to your senses man.

  • @europa4033 you continually blame rare but for not one second do you hold any accountability for yourself. I saved my doubloons and worked a little harder to buy gold items without converting doubloons. You convert all of your doubloons and yet we both receive the same reward for “hoarding doubloons.” Tell me how that makes any sense.

  • @pure-xreactions The reward isn't for hoarding doubloons.

  • An untrackable stat player side is an interesting choice. For myself, I’m disappointed. I felt seen for holding onto doubloons all these years and earning the gold I needed. Now, I feel looked over for being so dedicated and feel naive for having hope that something would be done to recognize it.

  • @d3adst1ck “These commemorative items are designed as recognition purchases for those dedicated players who have spent their time amassing their Doubloon fortune”

    Sounds pretty clear cut and dry to me.

  • @pure-xreactions said in Doubloon Currency - Developer Update:

    @d3adst1ck “These commemorative items are designed as recognition purchases for those dedicated players who have spent their time amassing their Doubloon fortune”

    Sounds pretty clear cut and dry to me.

    Wouldn't that also include people who spent their doubloons on items, or do those people just get screwed because those items are worth gold now?

  • @d3adst1ck the items in the shop will be converted to equal amounts in gold won’t make a difference.

    My point there was to say yes the whole point of this is reward people who “amassed/hoarded doubloons”

  • @pure-xreactions said in Doubloon Currency - Developer Update:

    @d3adst1ck the items in the shop will be converted to equal amounts in gold won’t make a difference.

    My point there was to say yes the whole point of this is reward people who “amassed/hoarded doubloons”

    That includes people who amassed and spent doubloons. The store items also matter, because players who spent doubloons on them did so without the knowledge that the currency was getting discontinued, and special rewards were being offered. They still collected those doubloons the same as any other player.

    This whole mess would have been avoided if they just converted doubloons to gold with no other reward or limited time items. Everyone would have been equal, whether you spent doubloons or hoarded them. Just reset the currency and make sure that the reset was worthwhile (which doesn't seem to be the case either unfortunately).

  • @pure-xreactions said in Doubloon Currency - Developer Update:

    @europa4033 you continually blame rare but for not one second do you hold any accountability for yourself. I saved my doubloons and worked a little harder to buy gold items without converting doubloons. You convert all of your doubloons and yet we both receive the same reward for “hoarding doubloons.” Tell me how that makes any sense.

    For the 20th time, here I go again.
    You have earned 100k doubloons. Congrats. So did I. If I chose to convert my doubloons into gold (which is what's about to happen to you), at the NPC....that Rare put in the game......for that exact function......since I had nothing else to spend them on..... we still both earned 100k doubloons. If you chose to save your doubloons to spend on......oh wait....nothing.......that was your option/choice to do so. We still both earned 100k doubloons. Nothing will change that. I got gold, you opted not to.

    Just like I opted to grind horns, while others didn't. "No Rare! I had to earn these the hard way, so I demand you make it hard for others too, since this item is a limited-time item and I want to show-off to other players how special I am and have them bow down to me, even though they've played much longer than I did, and have amassed way more than I currently do...but tough luck on them they converted it all to gold therefore I should be the only one in the game getting this."

    Going to look up "entitlement syndrome" to see if it's a thing.....

  • @d3adst1ck right. But giving players rewards based on “amassed doubloons” is not equal treatment when I have worked harder to save mine while you spent all of yours beforehand. Us receiving the same reward (sword) is disingenuous when the whole point of it is to reward “amass doubloons”

  • @pure-xreactions said in Doubloon Currency - Developer Update:

    I have worked harder to save mine while you spent all of yours beforehand.

    Work harder to "save" is literally doing nothing in this case LOL.

  • @pure-xreactions said in Doubloon Currency - Developer Update:

    @d3adst1ck right. But giving players rewards based on “amassed doubloons” is not equal treatment when I have worked harder to save mine while you spent all of yours beforehand. Us receiving the same reward (sword) is disingenuous when the whole point of it is to reward “amass doubloons”

    Go and spend them all now then. Solved. Looks like you should've done it sooner LOL

  • @pure-xreactions

    It's hardly 'hoarding' if the way the game was designed meant anyone who consistently played from the beginning had very little to nothing to begin with, don't pretend that is in any way a 'choice' players made.

    As for the changes; I'm pretty sure I still don't hit the required amount, but at least it's slightly more reasonable by not requiring players still have their collective doubloons.

  • @europa4033 right but the sword was the same as all the other items until you guys complained and forced rare to change it. How can you be rewarded for “amassing doubloons” when you have spent it all. You spent all your doubloons on something of your choice. I have saved mine for all these for this exact situation. I amassed my doubloons and you didn’t we should not receive the same reward. Especially when all of the other doubloon cosmetics work that way. “Entitlement sydrome” is complaining for something you didn’t earn. Sounds very familiar to me.

  • @pure-xreactions said in Doubloon Currency - Developer Update:

    @europa4033 right but the sword was the same as all the other items until you guys complained and forced rare to change it. How can you be rewarded for “amassing doubloons” when you have spent it all. You spent all your doubloons on something of your choice. I have saved mine for all these for this exact situation. I amassed my doubloons and you didn’t we should not receive the same reward. Especially when all of the other doubloon cosmetics work that way. “Entitlement sydrome” is complaining for something you didn’t earn. Sounds very familiar to me.

    Because over the years, many players have amassed quite a bit. Sounds like you should've converted your doubloons instead of hoarding them. That's on you.

  • @pure-xreactions said in Doubloon Currency - Developer Update:

    @europa4033 I have saved mine for all these for this exact situation.

    You hoarded doubloons due to magic foresight of a drastic currency shift in the future in which you knew Rare would reward those who had done so?

    No you didn't.

  • @cpt-pxz I did the extra work required to buy all the gold items without needing to convert doubloons. We shouldn’t be receiving the same reward even though I have the required doubloons and you do not.

  • @pure-xreactions said in Doubloon Currency - Developer Update:

    @cpt-pxz I did the extra work required to buy all the gold items without needing to convert doubloons. We shouldn’t be receiving the same reward even though I have the required doubloons and you do not.

    Except, we do. There was NOTHING to spend them on, so many players had them converted. If you didn't bother converting, that's your choice. Frankly, it doesn't make sense that if you KNEW they'd be converted to gold anyways, you should've done it sooner.

  • @europa4033 as of last week I was right do so until you guys forced rare to reverse it. It’s always the same thing with you people. “Nerf the commendation” “release that old cosmetic” “it’s unfair” and yet you still can’t explain how it’s fair that we receive the same reward even though I’ve amassed my doubloons and you’ve wasted them all, even though the whole point of this is to reward doubloon hoarders. You guys forced rare to make it about yourselves. And not the people who have actually saved up for it. That’s all I have to say.

  • @pure-xreactions said in Doubloon Currency - Developer Update:

    @europa4033 as of last week I was right do so until you guys forced rare to reverse it. It’s always the same thing with you people. “Nerf the commendation” “release that old cosmetic” “it’s unfair” and yet you still can’t explain how it’s fair that we receive the same reward even though I’ve amassed my doubloons and you’ve wasted them all, even though the whole point of this is to reward doubloon hoarders. You guys forced rare to make it about yourselves. And not the people who have actually saved up for it. That’s all I have to say.

    Because there are Day 1 players who have played thousands of hours longer than you have, that converted their doubloons since there was nothing else to do with them, who were being punished by having this item witheld from them since they didn't forsee this coming and now don't have enough. That's, to use HitboTC's words, being cruel to your 'most dedicated' players. Rare apparantly agreed, based on Drew's post on Twitter. Don't be entitled just because you decided to hoard yours when you could've spent them (Rare's going to do that for you now anyways, like it or not).

    Read that ^^ as many times as you need for it to sink in.

  • @pure-xreactions said in Doubloon Currency - Developer Update:

    @cpt-pxz I did the extra work required to buy all the gold items without needing to convert doubloons. We shouldn’t be receiving the same reward even though I have the required doubloons and you do not.

    So did I, that's irrelevant to the point.

  • Can we stop arguing... and finally all agree that the addition of the Humble/Generous gifts and the Ashen Tomes as permanent content to the game was the stupidest decisions ever. This is what turned the Doubloons from the originally intended event currency into a farmable and inflatable currency that serves NO functional difference from gold. So glad SOT is finally dealing with this poor game design decision and returning Doubloons to their originally intended mechanic.

    Of course, in typical SOT fashion they just had to self-own themselves to invent yet another ridiculous FOMO cosmetic instead of just doing the right thing. All they had to do was convert the doubloons to gold and the doubloon shop items to equivalent gold items and call it a day. Then all players would be left with a single useless and inflated currency... gold... and future events would have a meaningful event currency again.

  • How much are your lifetime doubloons? Take your current doubloon amount and add the following categories depending on what you own to figure it out!
    Keep in mind that if you completed a season your doubloon value would not increase since you didn't purchase them with doubloons.

    Permanent Doubloon Shop:
    Total - 21,885
    Lucky Hand - 16,800
    Mercenary - 275
    Wailing Barnacle - 490
    Aristocrat - 1,450
    Fearless Bone Crusher - 1,210
    Wild Rose - 1,380
    Bone Crusher - 100
    Forsaken Ashes - 180

    Available for free before shops:
    Refined Gold + Cartographer Tattoo - 105
    Season One - 19,200
    Season Two - 20,950
    Season Three - 20,900
    Season Four - 20,900
    Season Five - 21,000
    Season Six - 21,100
    Season Seven - 21,100
    Season Eight - 21,100
    Season Nine - 20,700
    Season Ten - 20,900
    Season Eleven - 20,900

    Year 1 Time-Limited:
    Bone Crusher - 280
    Wailing Barnacle - 400
    Forsaken Ashes - 220
    Festival of the Damned - 80
    Mercenary - 280
    Reaper's Runs - 145

    I am unable to calculate what was spent on:
    voyages
    letters of recommendation
    conversion into gold

    If anyone wants more details on the math feel free to DM me on Discord, same username.

  • @baron-roar said in Doubloon Currency - Developer Update:

    Overall my net doubloon worth is supposedly 240k doubloons but my current wallet is much lower.

    You need to pay more attention to how that number is calculated, that's value is greatly higher then the amount of dubloons you have earned due to being awarded items available in the plunderpass that have since been released with a dubloon cost.

    208,450 Is the amount of dubloons that all season items since season 1 were worth.

    So the amount you've spent on items, is 232,060 - 208,450 = 23,610 (assuming that you didn't miss a single season of plunderpass, or otherwise earned dubloon items that later became available)

  • @jerichocross666 said in Doubloon Currency - Developer Update:

    Also keep in mind we are talking about doubloons being the issue because we have all this currency and nothing to do with it well how about gold. Like myself I have over 363,555,221 gold and really nothing to use it for besides cluttering my chests with load screens if I want to buy like EVERYTHING and still have plenty left over. How about you add for a limited time for people to covert gold to doubloons. So we have a reason to drain our banks.
    Devs please look at this

    There's been allusion on twitter that the gold economy is the next to be examined.

    But after the mess the doubloon reset has been, it might cause them to reconsider their approach.

    --

    The Primary issue with the doubloon economy, is that earning it was uneven.

    Newer players had consistent access to easy doubloons via commendations, where as experienced players were getting too many of them via incidental loot, as opposed to challenges / reaper chests / contested objects.

    Older players also had access to voyages that allowed them to make as many doubloon's as they had patience for, buying ashen key, and ashen chests from larinna, and opening the chest and selling it straight back to her, or to reapers. Not an exploit, but an explicit game mechanic that allowed infinite amounts of doubloons.

    The variation in playstyles between the way you earnt doubloons: , commendation hunters, the reaper chest hunters, the gift sellers, the isle hoppers, the 'investment' guys

    As well as the variation in playstyles of how you spend currency: Some people buy everything, keeping their gold and doubloon counts low, so 'every reaper chest stolen feels like a victory' Some people buy NOTHING hoarding to make number get big, and are extremely choosy about what cosmetics they buy, to not clutter their menu's (WARDROBE WHEN!), some people voluntarily reset their doubloons to care more by buying gold conversions, because they valued having a large gold number despite owning everything, others forsook gold entirely in order to maximise the doubloon count, since it was a 'harder currency to earn' and concentrated on stealing gifts, ashen chests, and reaper chests, the way flameheart intended :P.

    But Sea of Thieves isn't about celebrating one play style over another, so when the dev's noticed that it was impossible to make the average player 'care about events' without getting significant FOMO, they looked at ways they could BOTH have the FOMO to keep player interest, but be forgiving enough that players don't feel like they actually missed out on something permanently in a time limited event. A 4th currency for events is the obvious answer, so players can choose the rewards they like, you can control / drain it over time if needed, in order to make sure the events are contested.

    However, anyone that's ever experienced a live service game with 4 currencies knows that 4 is too high.

    So they needed to reset the doubloon economy and repurpose it, plus it was already fit for this purpose, being the 'commendation money' and the 'reaper chest money'

    Anyway, they wanted to reset it without annoying people who worked hard, so they tried to add a consolation prize, but didn't consult players enough before announcing it due to time crunches, plus "If we know there's going to be an outcry, why drag it out through insiders" seems to be the strategy at Rare for anything significantly controversial, since they have a LOT of trouble reading the true feedback that lies beneath the surface level flood of outrage.


    So, Gold...

    People have been hoarding gold, you can sink it by having cosmetics that are high value, but they turn into cosmetics like the dark adventurer sails which got nick named "Rich Butch" sails, except rhyming.

    But do many people bother buying them or using them? you only really need one sail at a time.

    You can fix the problem by having recurring costs to operating ships, but then people cry that "Experienced players have an advantage, because they can buy supplies or spears"

    You can fix the problem by introducing high costs for captained ships, but that gate-keeps newer players from accessing sovereigns, which is toxic IMO, forcing the new players (rather then the experienced players) to sell slowly and learn where each treasure item needs to be taken, while the experienced players can run, anchor for a minute, and have their entire voyage sold before a ship catches them, ideally sovereigns would be a 'new player crutch' to help new players survive in the world against experienced players, and force experienced players to fight ships that chase them...

    Gold is at a point, where a lot of experienced players are sinking people for sport, and leaving the loot in the water, and the problem grows worse daily.

    New content is JUICED with loot, compared to the old, making older content not worth doing in comparison if the goal is to level up or spend gold.

    Introducing new gold cosmetics just makes it so experienced players need to choose between "gold number get big" and "making menu's even less navigable"

    I think the ONLY path forward, is nerfing the loot in all the new forts and events that have been added since fort of the damned, setting some design rules about what the 'maximum gold value' of a standard loot item can be, setting some guidelines on what the 'total amount of loot per event' can be, and raising them intentionally on things designed to be broadcast to other players, FOTD, mega-stashes, and wherever the Chest of Fortune currently resides.

    I think it's too late to fix the gold economy for experienced players, but it's not too late to turn this live service game around for new players, or newgen experienced players, and slowly suck the gold back out.

  • @dermasterbob pretty sure it's being translated into gold. Making the 50k is enough for me lol. The dent in your pocket is just the friends we made along the way...

  • @poetniknowit
    Yea it will be, but we dont know the doubloon gold conversion rate they will use, neither for the doubloons we have, nor for the doubloon item prices that will also change to gold.
    So we dont know if spending exess doubloons (everything over 4.050) is a good idea or not.

    There's so much uncertainty, especially now that Rare has gone back on their first announcement.
    Who knows that after the current backlash on twitter, they'll decide to go back on that decision as well and add another item that now really costs 50k.

    This whole situation is unpleasant for all sides.

  • @honestauntyelle said in Doubloon Currency - Developer Update:

    Older players also had access to voyages that allowed them to make as many doubloon's as they had patience for, buying ashen key, and ashen chests from larinna, and opening the chest and selling it straight back to her, or to reapers. Not an exploit, but an explicit game mechanic that allowed infinite amounts of doubloons.

    Doing that would result in loosing doubloons.
    Buying one chest and one key, costs 150 doubloons, but only rewards a max of 87,5 doubloons, so 88 if you're lucky and a reaper 5.
    If you sold it straight back to her, you would get 35 doubloons max, which would net you a loss of at least 115 doubloons for each ashen chest and key combo.

  • @honestauntyelle

    Yeah I'm aware that the number is highly inflated from pass items. I'm just curious how rare will calculate the total themselves. Im grinding doubloons regardless to ensure im past the breakpoint. Good to know an exact number on what the previous items are all worth in doubloons though, thanks.

    I don't want to do what others have done, where they raise support tickets to refund items earned on previous passes to pump their doubloon hoard at the last minute

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