Feedback and Suggestion to the Forum Community

  • Galactic Geek
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    In response to this, and other threads like it.

    I understand your willingness to help others on this forum, but please be mindful of those who are clearly trying to bait or troll you into a trap response just so they can secretly laugh at you as their thread eventually gets locked.

    Those kinds of individuals aren't worth giving the time of day; please recognize that and move on. The best thing you can do for them, and for us, is to ignore them once their intention becomes indelibly clear - otherwise you just waste everyone's time (checking their forum account profile and post history is typically a good indicator). No amount of suggestions or corrections will ever change someone like that. Once they lose their platform, they will have no power over you. Do not feed oxygen to their fire - let it die out. Report their thread, or them, if you must.

    Otherwise, remember to remain respectful and courteous towards others at all times - we all have a Code of Conduct to follow.

    This has been a public service announcement. ✌️😉

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  • z0mbi3Elvis
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    A fourcornered forum-reader's hat;
    to celebrate true champion knack
    for contributing with
    constructive fact.

    'Cheers!
    Xx.

  • Sn0kanon
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    Amen, brother. Seems like things have gotten unpleasantly aggro around here in the last day or so (or maybe I haven’t been around long enough to know any better).

  • Musicmee
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    @sn0kanon Aye!

    We seem to have had an influx of new users to the forums (not necessarily new to the seas), probably driven by the recent Season 7 announcement...

  • Metal Ravage
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    @galactic-geek Mark Twain updated for the forums:

    „Never argue with trolls, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience.“

  • Nex Stargaze
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    Honestly this entire forum can feel like nothing but a complete joke to outside forum users purely because we're just bickering with each other while we get no insight or response from the people actually responsible for creating/fixing the content we consume (for free of course).

    Feedback and Suggestions feel more pointless the more of the same threads are posted. We, the users, are rejecting the ideas, not the developers who weren't gonna put them in anyways. It just feels like we're speaking into the void only to have other people who aren't responsible for the game emerging from it. This just feels awful as a forum user and (almost) 2 year old consistent player.

    Unless we start getting some developer responses, we're just stuck posting ideas that might get seen, but we'll never ever notice it was seen until they eventually decide to put it in the game. It's tiresome to say the least, and we need to call it out for some kind of change. This way isn't it.

  • WolfManbush
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    I think threads like this contribute to a place being a bubble.

    There is no us vs them to me. No checking user accounts or history. No teaching them as if I have some sort of social or platform authority.

    I say what I wanna say in good faith and then I head on out when it's time for me to head on out like I did in that thread.

    Us regs are hobby posters. It's not like any thread truly harms a hobby poster. Everyone is getting their kicks out of it.

    I've posted a lot and I think I'm consistent in how I post and approach things and if others aren't oh well, they get to say their peace too until a thread closes. In my view I'm just a guest contributor like anyone else.

    "aren't worth giving time" "best thing you can do for them" "change someone like that"

    I'm not in any position of authority on that. In my view I'm just a person talking to another person or making posts that I think will be useful to the thread as a whole for people that read it later on. Like I always say I'm not a teacher or a preacher, maybe they aren't being genuine, it is what it is. I'll try out some posts and see what happens.

    Sometimes positive things come from negative beginnings.
    I wasn't always how I am, that's true for many, I'll just continue to see what happens, no matter who they are.

  • Galactic Geek
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    @wolfmanbush said:

    Sometimes positive things come from negative beginnings.
    I wasn't always how I am, that's true for many

    While this can certainly be true, it's usually pretty rare. Most negative posts are from the emotional side of things, and rarely consider logic. When they do, however, or when they manage to take a moment, and begin calming down, with let's say a breath of fresh air that helps feed oxygen to their brain so that they can think - then and only then can they start to show an understanding of your feedback. Otherwise, they will continue to dismiss it and defend their own potentially flawed view points.

  • WolfManbush
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    @galactic-geek said in Feedback and Suggestion to the Forum Community:

    @wolfmanbush said:

    Sometimes positive things come from negative beginnings.
    I wasn't always how I am, that's true for many

    While this can certainly be true, it's usually pretty rare. Most negative posts are from the emotional side of things, and rarely consider logic. When they do, however, or when they manage to take a moment, and begin calming down, with let's say a breath of fresh air that helps feed oxygen to their brain so that they can think - then and only then can they start to show an understanding of your feedback. Otherwise, they will continue to dismiss it and defend their own potentially flawed view points.

    You mentioned baiting, trolling, and laughing at

    They might be fired up and out to cause some cyber raucous but that doesn't mean it's not sincere.

    We are all fueled by emotion. Might not all show it the same way but we all have plenty of it as an influence. No real reason to treat it like it's a flaw of another for being a part of their presence. It might lead to some exaggerated and at times insulting reactions but that doesn't mean it's not genuine.

    Never really know where another is coming from, what they are going through, what kind of day or week or life they are having.

    Maybe if instead of approaching it as if people had insincere intentions it would benefit the forums to approach their thread as if their feelings and frustrations are true to them.

  • PithyRumble
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    @galactic-geek

    you... you're trolling us aren't you?

    🥸💜🧜🏽‍♀️🧜🏽‍♀️🧜🏽‍♀️

  • WolfManbush
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    @pithyrumble said in Feedback and Suggestion to the Forum Community:

    @galactic-geek

    you... you're trolling us aren't you?

    🥸💜🧜🏽‍♀️🧜🏽‍♀️🧜🏽‍♀️

    I know your post is a lighthearted jest but something I'd like to say about the whole loose use of trolling thing that gets amplified on the net.

    A person isn't being trolled just because they approach a situation where they view a random person as a person with some form of value, a situation as if it can result in substantive lines of communication, a scenario where benefit of the doubt is exercised.

    Within that approach someone may find something as a resource that they can use to help themselves in anything or everything.

    Responding openly and honestly to someone that could potentially be "trolling" isn't a loss. There is no internet scoreboard anywhere that holds universal power, it's ok to be real and vulnerable. It might build a bridge somewhere in the void that Stargaze spoke of.

  • FishyJoeSalt
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    Too much psychology in this thread, someone hand me a Grog and a Cat to pet please....

  • WolfManbush
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    @fishyjoesalt said in Feedback and Suggestion to the Forum Community:

    Too much psychology in this thread, someone hand me a Grog and a Cat to pet please....

    "You know it's tough out there, a good muse is hard to find
    Livin' one word to the next, one line at a time
    Now there's more to life than whiskey
    There's more to words than rhyme
    Sometimes nothin' works, sometimes nothin' shines
    Like Hemingway's whiskey

    Sail away, sail away as the day grows dim
    Live hard, die hard, this one's for him"

    Cheers

    alt text

  • Galactic Geek
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    @wolfmanbush said:

    Maybe if instead of approaching it as if people had insincere intentions it would benefit the forums to approach their thread as if their feelings and frustrations are true to them.

    Responding openly and honestly to someone that could potentially be "trolling" isn't a loss. There is no internet scoreboard anywhere that holds universal power, it's ok to be real and vulnerable. It might build a bridge somewhere in the void that Stargaze spoke of.

    This is good, positive feedback - but it only works if they're receptive to it to begin with. This thread refers to those who are beyond that stage, or are simply not there at all.

  • WolfManbush
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    @galactic-geek said in Feedback and Suggestion to the Forum Community:

    @wolfmanbush said:

    Maybe if instead of approaching it as if people had insincere intentions it would benefit the forums to approach their thread as if their feelings and frustrations are true to them.

    Responding openly and honestly to someone that could potentially be "trolling" isn't a loss. There is no internet scoreboard anywhere that holds universal power, it's ok to be real and vulnerable. It might build a bridge somewhere in the void that Stargaze spoke of.

    This is good, positive feedback - but it only works if they're receptive to it to begin with. This thread refers to those who are beyond that stage, or are simply not there at all.

    During public discourse words continue to reach eyes and potentially minds for days or weeks/months/years.

    This means that even if a public conversation doesn't end up making much of a difference at that specific time it still has opportunity to make a difference to an individual at a different time.

    Maybe someone finds something in a post that they find valuable for that moment because it's something they felt they needed to hear that day, maybe they feel a point of view applies to their circumstance and they are able to use something as a resource to get them through something difficult.

    People aren't obligated to consider this when expressing thoughts and views or when they are contributing to a thread but it's still there. Life and conversation don't always have to be serious but someone around is always at a time in their life where it is serious at that time. Even if words and sentiments don't reach people that are directly involved they may reach people that are casually observing. In that, effort is never truly wasted. Sometimes considerate communicative contributions are like rain during a drought to someone that a poster doesn't even know exists.

  • ScurvyWoof
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    @wolfmanbush said in Feedback and Suggestion to the Forum Community:

    @galactic-geek said in Feedback and Suggestion to the Forum Community:

    @wolfmanbush said:

    Maybe if instead of approaching it as if people had insincere intentions it would benefit the forums to approach their thread as if their feelings and frustrations are true to them.

    Responding openly and honestly to someone that could potentially be "trolling" isn't a loss. There is no internet scoreboard anywhere that holds universal power, it's ok to be real and vulnerable. It might build a bridge somewhere in the void that Stargaze spoke of.

    This is good, positive feedback - but it only works if they're receptive to it to begin with. This thread refers to those who are beyond that stage, or are simply not there at all.

    During public discourse words continue to reach eyes and potentially minds for days or weeks/months/years.

    This means that even if a public conversation doesn't end up making much of a difference at that specific time it still has opportunity to make a difference to an individual at a different time.

    Maybe someone finds something in a post that they find valuable for that moment because it's something they felt they needed to hear that day, maybe they feel a point of view applies to their circumstance and they are able to use something as a resource to get them through something difficult.

    People aren't obligated to consider this when expressing thoughts and views or when they are contributing to a thread but it's still there. Life and conversation don't always have to be serious but someone around is always at a time in their life where it is serious at that time. Even if words and sentiments don't reach people that are directly involved they may reach people that are casually observing. In that, effort is never truly wasted. Sometimes considerate communicative contributions are like rain during a drought to someone that a poster doesn't even know exists.

    Wolfmanbush said calmly.

  • Galactic Geek
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    @wolfmanbush said in Feedback and Suggestion to the Forum Community:

    @galactic-geek said in Feedback and Suggestion to the Forum Community:

    @wolfmanbush said:

    Maybe if instead of approaching it as if people had insincere intentions it would benefit the forums to approach their thread as if their feelings and frustrations are true to them.

    Responding openly and honestly to someone that could potentially be "trolling" isn't a loss. There is no internet scoreboard anywhere that holds universal power, it's ok to be real and vulnerable. It might build a bridge somewhere in the void that Stargaze spoke of.

    This is good, positive feedback - but it only works if they're receptive to it to begin with. This thread refers to those who are beyond that stage, or are simply not there at all.

    During public discourse words continue to reach eyes and potentially minds for days or weeks/months/years.

    This means that even if a public conversation doesn't end up making much of a difference at that specific time it still has opportunity to make a difference to an individual at a different time.

    Maybe someone finds something in a post that they find valuable for that moment because it's something they felt they needed to hear that day, maybe they feel a point of view applies to their circumstance and they are able to use something as a resource to get them through something difficult.

    People aren't obligated to consider this when expressing thoughts and views or when they are contributing to a thread but it's still there. Life and conversation don't always have to be serious but someone around is always at a time in their life where it is serious at that time. Even if words and sentiments don't reach people that are directly involved they may reach people that are casually observing. In that, effort is never truly wasted. Sometimes considerate communicative contributions are like rain during a drought to someone that a poster doesn't even know exists.

    I like your posts. 😅

    But I think it's a bit naive. Though, it's nice to think like that, and it is true, just not mostly true I think.

    I mean heck, I got yet another like on the this thread's initial post just before typing up this reply - so yes, it can make a difference for someone. But it still has a statute of limitations, particularly here on this forum. If it's no longer considered relevant by the mods, they lock the thread and it's moved into the aether. After that, it's likely to never be referenced again. Through a new thread maybe, but not that particular 1.

  • WolfManbush
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    @galactic-geek said in Feedback and Suggestion to the Forum Community:

    @wolfmanbush said in Feedback and Suggestion to the Forum Community:

    @galactic-geek said in Feedback and Suggestion to the Forum Community:

    @wolfmanbush said:

    Maybe if instead of approaching it as if people had insincere intentions it would benefit the forums to approach their thread as if their feelings and frustrations are true to them.

    Responding openly and honestly to someone that could potentially be "trolling" isn't a loss. There is no internet scoreboard anywhere that holds universal power, it's ok to be real and vulnerable. It might build a bridge somewhere in the void that Stargaze spoke of.

    This is good, positive feedback - but it only works if they're receptive to it to begin with. This thread refers to those who are beyond that stage, or are simply not there at all.

    During public discourse words continue to reach eyes and potentially minds for days or weeks/months/years.

    This means that even if a public conversation doesn't end up making much of a difference at that specific time it still has opportunity to make a difference to an individual at a different time.

    Maybe someone finds something in a post that they find valuable for that moment because it's something they felt they needed to hear that day, maybe they feel a point of view applies to their circumstance and they are able to use something as a resource to get them through something difficult.

    People aren't obligated to consider this when expressing thoughts and views or when they are contributing to a thread but it's still there. Life and conversation don't always have to be serious but someone around is always at a time in their life where it is serious at that time. Even if words and sentiments don't reach people that are directly involved they may reach people that are casually observing. In that, effort is never truly wasted. Sometimes considerate communicative contributions are like rain during a drought to someone that a poster doesn't even know exists.

    I like your posts. 😅

    But I think it's a bit naive. Though, it's nice to think like that, and it is true, just not mostly true I think.

    I mean heck, I got yet another like on the this thread's initial post just before typing up this reply - so yes, it can make a difference for someone. But it still has a statute of limitations, particularly here on this forum. If it's no longer considered relevant by the mods, they lock the thread and it's moved onto the aether. After that, it's likely to never be referenced again. Through a new thread maybe, but not that particular 1.

    It's not naivety it's selfishness on my part. It feels better to me to get away from the negative stuff about people.

    I spent most of my life fighting negativity with negativity. I'm flawed and full of insecurities and for a long time I produced negativity at the rate I received it, plenty of times even more.

    I know how it is, I know how it feels to swing the bat and miss the ball over and over even though it's draining. It's less consuming than the alternative, it's lighter, it's brighter. So I just keep swinging.

  • Sn0kanon
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    I’m a glass-half-full/sunny side-up/benefit-of-the-doubt kinda guy. I prefer to spend my leisure time avoiding conflict (no idea why I play SoT sometimes 😁). I think you guys both have a point. I’ll wade through all the name-calling and pointless “sword-swinging” 😁 to find the nuggets of sanity and wisdom that members like you add to a lot of those otherwise pointless discussions. But I also think that if everyone involved would just strategically walk away, it’d shut the whole thing down. Now clearly there are folks that don’t want the fun to end; that’s when I tune out. Plenty of other stuff to do besides watch cats fight in a bag.

    I kinda think the mods ought to be a bit more ready to shut it down when it gets to the “you suck”/“no you suck harder” point. Would keep my “Unread messages” list shorter….

  • Metal Ravage
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    @sn0kanon And I agree. Personally I'm here because SOT is my favorite game. Through helping fellow gamers when I can and engaging in discussions about different aspects of the game somehow I feel more involved with SOT.

    That's it, for the rest there is a Code of Conduct, forum's rules and the mods to keep things in the up and up.

  • Galactic Geek
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    @sn0kanon said:

    Plenty of other stuff to do besides watch cats fight in a bag.

    🛍🐈🐈‍⬛🛍

    I think I would like to see that. 😅

    EDIT: Found it!

  • PithyRumble
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    Also, there's a little tab under the reply button that says "not watching" that you can change to "ignore"

  • Galactic Geek
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    @pithyrumble said in Feedback and Suggestion to the Forum Community:

    Also, there's a little tab under the reply button that says "not watching" that you can change to "ignore"

    Thanks for sharing that tidbit of advice. The irony is that when a troll thread is created, I'm not interested in what the troll has to say, because I already know what they're going to say; what I am interested in is seeing how everyone else responds to them. So ignore - great feature, but never used it. Not once.

  • ajm123
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    I do agree I always Use to called out people for clickbaiting way back when. Now I just read and laugh

    But the sad part honestly is sometimes they might be serious about whatever. Someone should do a "where are they now" for all the people claiming to uninstall and never play again...

  • Granty012
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    @sn0kanon I like your positive attitude, that's the best way to be. There is definitely a lot of baiting and bickering, I think part of it is the anonymity the internet provides - I imagine a lot of those who are disrespectful via their keyboard would never speak to someone like that face to face. I find it's like that in all large forums/discords etc.

    There is a lot of nice and helpful posts in and around these forums. I try to avoid those which will descend into petty arguments - some people just want to watch the world burn haha.

    I usually take a minute or so after writing a response before posting just to have a quick think. It's easy to get drawn in and post a knee-jerk response which adds fuel to a fire.

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