To people who do server takeover fleets/farm dead servers...

Did you ever stop to think that people don't do this because they want an edge in combat or a PvE mode but maybe just maybe some of us have more than 3 friends and want to play this great game with them all?

I don't support seperate PvE servers and I don't even know what this has to do with them. But don't judge me and my crew because of us asking a fellow pirate to give his galleon to get 4 more of our friends on the same server so we can share in the joys.

@hynieth That is different from a server takeover, as I mentioned, and is a different topic entirely- one that is more about game balance than anything. The game was designed for 1-4 man crews, but you could always ally up with randoms that you made friends with. What I am referring to is people who use discord servers to get all 6 ships on a server filled with people farming.

@triheadedmonkey In my experience, the point of fleets has been to farm loot faster by removing PvP and using the alliance system to have 6 ships all sharing loot, with an outside tool (usually discord) being used to make sure everyone is not attacking each other, essentially making the game PvE farming.

@txcrnr and even if they want and do that, how does it hurt you?
They have a server for themselves and worked hard to get there (It's often a challenge getting 1 extra ship let alone a whole server) and they get to farm. It's their loss that they don't interact with strangers or engage in PvP at all.

Where do you come in? Where does this hurt you?

@hynieth I am just pointing out to the people who oppose a PvE mode but participate in fleets: They are no different. You either support both or are against both, with the exception of fleets being used for purposes other than farming.

As for why I am against PvE? Well, its a pirate game. People are getting loot illegitimately, in my eyes. Do you care if someone uses aimbots to beat skeleton ships/forts or uses wallhacks to see underwater loot? I mean, it doesn't affect you, so it must be OK, right?

EDIT: Additionally, it does affect me. Those players no longer have the chance of being on the same server as me so that I can interact with them, narrowing my pool of players to ones that are more likely to PvP- something I might not always want.

@txcrnr and to some buying ranks from Duke is cheating. To others they earned pirate legend the old way without mermaid gems, cheesing the merchant, ever purchasing a voyage, etc.

That players have found a way to play together should be applauded.

I am not a supporter of PvE mode, but I am supporter of private servers. Players have many minigames/ races already instituted. This would allow us to be able to do them regularly and play however we would like. Its different than a PvE mode as the intent is to allow players to play as they like not solely PvE. The opportunity is there but it allows for more creativity for the players.

The arena comes out next year. You are already losing players you would play with when they jump over there.
Let them all become pirate legends. That is more glowing ships for us to go after. When they happen to be on our server, there is a higher chance of gold on their ships from their Athena voyages, and a higher chance for us to take their athenas.

@d-jaguar Doubloons was added to the game as an intentional mechanic. However, you will notice that nowhere in the game is there an option to spawn a second ship for your friends. You have to abuse game mechanics to do that.

You are completely missing the point, though. How is it different from PvE mode? They are just abusing game mechanics to force the game to be PvE yet complain about it. Its no longer pirating, just farming. This isnt Sea of Farmers, mate. Stop trying to justify roundabout ways of making the game PvE.

@barnacle-blake Thats a whole separate thing. I am referring to whole servers being filled with people from a discord that are there just to farm, with no threats of other players at all. They get all 6 ships filled with people from a discord so that nobody will attack them.

@wipe-nd-clean But those people can now no longer be on my server, imagine if all non-pvp players were in fleets. You'd never have a chance to catch whales with tons of loot onboard. Removing themselves from the playerpool DOES have an effect.

@iceman-0007 Again, I am referring specifically to servers with all 6 ships filled up via discord, not getting your friends on a second ship.

@katttruewalker But there are people who use discord servers to get a group of people together and get all the ships to let them take them over by offering loot, etc. They then get a group of people and fill up the server with full people, rotating them out and keeping a constant server of 6 ships farming. This is referred to as a grind fleet. This is what I am talking about, or players who get dead servers with only their ship and farm there.

Unfortunately @katttruewalker it does disadvantage the rest of the playerbase.

They have managed to create a "safe space", yes they have used tools currently available but at the end of the day they are breaking the "spirit" of the game. Should a player on one of the "farm" servers decide in a very SoT way that there is potential to rob my fellow members. The whole server then becomes hostile and drives you off.

For Sea of THEIVES to function people need to understand that PvP players feed off of PvE players, at the moment the only loot available from attacking another player is what they have on board. Now I don't know about you but I don't go out looking for a fight with loot on board, and I don't think anybody does. So by segregating players like this they are starving and strangling out the PvP players.

So without PvE players you don't really have PvP. I really wish people could understand the two go hand in hand.

The joy of SoT for me is I get to be both. I love the PvE but also I love the fact that I can rob other players, if I so choose. Sometimes I might go out looking for other players and only PvP, but we are all looking for those juicy whales.

Side note: People will always be upset and frustated when they loss loot. I mean the endless threads from PvE players complaining about the volcanoes in DR, or the ammount of Krakens and Megs. Why does lossing to someone else cause such vitriol.

@katttruewalker It does, indeed, disadvantage me. When players farm on dead servers or fleet servers, they are no longer available on my servers, meaning that I end up with a higher chance of running into people who are just there for PvP or who don't ever carry more than a single map worth of items.

@triheadedmonkey said in To people who do server takeover fleets/farm dead servers...:

@txcrnr most Fleets/Groups/Unions would do something like this in order to run community events which would otherwise be impossible and are generally polite about it, by compensating other players on the server (with loot, Athena voyages etc).

I have never seen people bully or force people into it.

It isn't for an advantage or a 'safe' server. (not from my personal experience anyway)

I have personally been on the wrong end of someone trying to force a take over of a server using very shady tactics. I actually wrote a post about it when it happened. So it does happen. But that doesn't mean that others are polite and try and do it the right way.

@badassfro said in To people who do server takeover fleets/farm dead servers...:

Side note: People will always be upset and frustated when they loss loot. I mean the endless threads from PvE players complaining about the volcanoes in DR, or the ammount of Krakens and Megs. Why does lossing to someone else cause such vitriol.

Not justifying it at all, but the few times I lost my ship and loot (and honestly it was only a few times I actually got upset, most of the time I just go with the flow as I don't need the loot) and actually got upset about it was more about the time spent busting my back side to get that loot. I actually don't care about the gold or rep, just the satisfaction of turning in something that was particularly difficult to obtain. Then to have someone come along with equal or better skill on the PvP side, usually in greater numbers than I have on my crew as I sail solo or with one other person the vast majority of the time, and lose it, can be frustrating.

Admittedly, some people get frustrated and upset for everything they lose. Me, it is only on rare occasions. But I can see why some get upset about it.

For my side note, I get frustrated more with the fact that you die so quickly here there is little to no chance to learn how to get better. Usually when I lose it is to some one that seems to be able to move in ways that don't seem like they should be possible. I am not crying about it, I am simply saying for me, the visual effects, when in PvP, are so fast that I am not able to pick up on what they are doing against me so I know how to properly counter it. I think that is a very big let down in this game. Not having the ability to practice with others in your own crew, or even some sort of training area or server. If I encounter PvP, I actually don't defend at all most of the time, because it just feels futile.

@nofears-fun Part of the issue is the double gun strategy, which players like Summit1g have been known to use macros for. You can quickly instakill someone with it. However, this will hopefully be fixed in the future. Additionally, you will eventually have a chance to practice in the Arena, and they have said that any changes to PvP made there will be made to the main game as well.

If you can find someone willing to try to alliance with you, ask them to duel! You can very certainly find friendly players willing to do it. Maybe even wager a chest with someone you particularly find trustworthy. I've had full-on tournaments when allianced with another galleon where we took turns dueling in the center of an inactive fort.

@txcrnr I know about the double tap, I also have problems with lunging pirates. LOL. Hoenstly, I just need real practice so that the PvP part of the game slows down. Sometimes it won't matter, especially against anyone on PC that uses double tap, whether they use a macro or not. They have better and faster aiming ability, and can switch between weapons slightly faster. I do know of some pirates on console that are pretty good with it as well. So it is not all about the macro, thought that certainly doesn't make it any easier.

@nofears-fun For lunging pirates, your best bet is getting up close then running sideways. If you can react fast enough, you can get within their range by sprinting and then dodge out to where they cant turn far enough even with the right click glitch. Its kinda counterintuitive to run towards them, but I have become very proficient in PvP and find this to be the best strategy. Also, sniper + sword for life- I may be on PC but I have enough honor not to doublegun.

@txcrnr As for the second part of what you said. Seems as though every pirate on another ship I have run into lately, won't even talk to you. They just jump your ship and start hacking. You can sit there with speaking trumpet in hand, letting them hack you, and they won't stop to listen. I even sailed up to a ship the other day, was going to be santa pirate and give away loot. I took a captains chest and held it out for them to grab as I attempted to communicate, to no avail, as soon as they boarded my ship, hack hack hack they go. The worst part about that was losing my red lanterns. So hard to get those now that the islands don't erupt as often.

@nofears-fun It just takes luck, sometimes you run into people who will talk, sometimes you don't. But I assure you, you will eventually find people willing to alliance and it shouldn't be too hard to convince them to duel you.

@txcrnr I am sure, but to be honest, most of the ones that want to alliance, are same level or lesser level of skill than I am at PvP. LOL. Someday I will get there. Heck, even if I have to learn by fire in Arena when it comes out, then that is what I will have to do. LOL

@nofears-fun Well, I am always up to give you some tips on it :) I will take on galleons as a sloop, I don't always win, but I have a lot of experience from it

@hazeree Disagree. It really does take players out of the pool that you will see. All those whales you want to encounter? Nope, they're farming in their safe spaces.

i'll be short:

PvE servers: nope
Server takovers: not a problem