the seas feel so empty, multiple server merges into severs with only one 1 ship, I propose that we cut down the number of servers so that way the seas feel alive again!!
Cut down the number of servers please
I agree it feels a little too empty and I rarely see more than one or two ships. Mostly just sloops and not so much of Brigs and Galleons. Very rare do I see Brigs and Galleons with full crews or partial crews. In many cases, there should be a lot more ships sailing especially with the amount of room you have to sail.
@commandwolfyt said in Cut down the number of servers please:
I agree it feels a little too empty and I rarely see more than one or two ships. Mostly just sloops and not so much of Brigs and Galleons. Very rare do I see Brigs and Galleons with full crews or partial crews. In many cases, there should be a lot more ships sailing especially with the amount of room you have to sail.
Are you sailing on a brig/galleon?
@algaram said in Cut down the number of servers please:
the seas feel so empty, multiple server merges into severs with only one 1 ship, I propose that we cut down the number of servers so that way the seas feel alive again!!
Yes server merges have become a big problem you can count on every time you set sail now. People yell a big, bold fat NO to anything resembling a single player or PvE experience. The game is beginning to feel a lot like that with the lonely sea we are constantly sailing in.
I think the better solution is for Rare to add content and address issues that bring players back, attract new players, and most importantly keeps everyone sailing.
@ajm123 said in Cut down the number of servers please:
@algaram the servers seem fuller lately tbh
Yah I don't seem to have issues finding people to sink. I was on a server Wednesday with 3 Brigs and a galleon. Not sure what the other two ships were. I was on a solo sloop.
I typically patrol North to south from liars backbone to devil's ridge. Pick off people headed to devil's roar. Usually they have a good supply of cursed cannonballs to steal.
@algaram said in Cut down the number of servers please:
the seas feel so empty, multiple server merges into severs with only one 1 ship, I propose that we cut down the number of servers so that way the seas feel alive again!!
If the issue is player population (and I do personally believe that is an issue) then the solution is not to start consolidating servers. The solution is for Rare to immediately start approaching this game the way it should have been handled from day zero...
Many of the pioneers made it clear to all of us that were pre-ordering before launch that a lot of people would be very unhappy with this game, if not immediately then shortly after launch. A lot of us still stuck it out. A lot of us still defended Rare for months on what was going on. At six-months in, I stopped defending and started admitting that the game is exactly as it was described by those pioneers that caused my initial group of people that I was going to play with to ALL cancel their pre-orders and get refunds... that was a group of 25-total, counting me...the only one of us that kept the game and did not fall for what I thought was just over-spoken bad press.
This far past launch, however, I have stopped defending Rare and stopped hoping for changes to be made. I am happy to see that they are starting to admit that they need to make some changes in-house...but they need more than just changes to their development process.
I have asked many times for everyone defending this game to tell me one thing that was done right in this game, and not one of them can get off of the "You can do what you want!" high-horse. You can do what you want in any game. That doesn't make it good. To be able to play around and "do what you want" without having anything else to do, though, is just lazy development and story telling.
Personally, I don't see that changing any time soon...and by the time it does this game will be in the wind for most of us, the ones of us that actually stuck around as true players and not just fanbois, the ones of us that did more than just tow-the-company-line.
I fully expect a certain handful of people to come in and complain about this. I fully expect some of them to request help from moderators. I honestly don't care at this point. You have to be insane to still be defending this game at six-months in and still not be able to list one thing that was added that you would willingly repeat on your own. And "build your own fun!" is not a feature of the game... you can do that on your own in any game. Choice is not given to you by someone, you have always had choice. You are giving up your choice by defending this game at this point.
The issue isn't the number of servers, it's the lack of people who are playing this game. A lot of people, myself included, attempted to advocate for adding a PvP mode to the game, like a battle royale game, even as a test. It wouldn't even have to be part of the main game, it can be separate like Fortnite, and leave the main game as it is. The people who were driving interest in the game were the streamers who were PvPing, who have all basically given up on streaming this game and moved on to other PvP games. I tried to explain that as the number of streamers dwindled, the seas would dwindle. I was told that Twitch isn't indicative of player base, and while that is true, I argued that viewer base on Twitch drives interest, which increases player base. I was told over and over that this is just wrong. I told them to wait and see. Well.
Now there are about 500 people on average out of millions on Twitch who are watching this game. The seas are empty. I can sail for 12 hours without seeing another boat. If I see someone and want to fight, they run away or scuttle. There's no excitement left because the thrill or even potential of PvP was what made it exciting.
Unfortunately, there will still be some who will say I'm wrong in spite of the fact that I've only been proven right up until now. I would LOVE to be wrong, and I would love to see this game bounce back, but adding fishing and pets and potions and bobbles and cursed cannonballs is not going to do it. I can guarantee that.
Rare went in hard trying to appease the PvE base and they got bored quickly and moved on to other things. The PvPers who loved this game because it brought something new and unique to the PvP experience, they were ignored and have since moved on.
It breaks my heart, this was my favorite multiplayer game of all time, and I've played a ton of games. All but a couple of friends have no intention of playing again unless something PvP driven is added.
I know, I know... you'll say I'm wrong....but over and over, time proves I'm not.
To be honest, I have had no problem encountering other ships on my server. Lately it's been crowded, imo, for me anyway. I appreciate the times it seems noone is around. Means I can relax a little and enjoy the grind and scenery.
As for inopportune server merges, someone once suggested that as players log in, they are assigned to a server and stay in that server for the duration that they play. As players quit that server, new players are added as new players log in. Or, if the server is empty entirely, the servers with one or a few players are prioritized over empty servers. That way no merging is necessary. Once a server becomes "full", a new empty server is assigned to a new player, and so on...
@GOW-fluid and @MortarChelle great job speaking up and saying what needs to be said! You guys are not alone. There are plenty saying it and way more thinking it.
If anyone really loves this game and wants it to stay around, they need to start speaking up and let their voice be heard loud and clear. Cheerleading is not going to make this game better. It is going to keep it exactly where and what it is now.
Time to look past the pom poms or the the voyage is going to be truly over. Then it will be too late to speak up. Too late to listen. Too late to make Sea of Thieves what it should have been.
@imadeyoureadme said in Cut down the number of servers please:
@mortarchelle Battle Royale is a Fad and really doesn't belong in this game. This game is intended to have the PVE element. Don't get me wrong, I hate the route this game has followed over the last 6 months. The content is dry, the updates are lackluster, and the seas are baren. But, Battle Royal does not belong in this game.
the Developers need to bring in actual content that is worth repeating. Introduce incentives that encourage players rather than slap dubloons on things and call it content. There is so much potential in this game that battle royal would ruin anything that they would hope to achieve.
There needs to be new missions rather than the same snore fest. There needs to be a difference between lvl 1*-50 and athenas instead of just mashing the only 3 things to do in the game together. There needs to be content.
Well said! I totally agree 100%! You pretty much said exactly what I have been saying for quite a while. We need the right content. Engaging, meaningful, long lasting content!
Maybe if we can get enough voices heard past the cheering Rare will start listening.
@imadeyoureadme said in Cut down the number of servers please:
@mortarchelle Battle Royale is a Fad and really doesn't belong in this game. This game is intended to have the PVE element. Don't get me wrong, I hate the route this game has followed over the last 6 months. The content is dry, the updates are lackluster, and the seas are baren. But, Battle Royal does not belong in this game.
the Developers need to bring in actual content that is worth repeating. Introduce incentives that encourage players rather than slap dubloons on things and call it content. There is so much potential in this game that battle royal would ruin anything that they would hope to achieve.
There needs to be new missions rather than the same snore fest. There needs to be a difference between lvl 1*-50 and athenas instead of just mashing the only 3 things to do in the game together. There needs to be content.
That's why I suggested a BR mode separate from the game. If you go back and read my post, you'll see I said to leave the main game as it is, and create a separate BR mode. It won't affect the game as it is... so anyone who is afraid of other ships can have their game as it is now....empty seas, no threats, farming rep and money.... go for it. But the separate mode will be for those who want to PvP ...
It will never happen, so don't worry. Rare appears to be so desperately afraid of this concept, and their potential to capitalize on a unique PvP experience among a number of game titles that are cashing in on BR will die along with the seas that are so painfully empty.
But, I'm wrong, right? Talk to me in 3-6 months, and then tell me how the game is doing. I'll wait.
@savagetwinky I sail with my buddy in a Brig if we are really looking to get things done. If we are looking to mess around we do a sloop.
This post has no sense.
Server instance number is not static. "The game" creates new instances when are required and puts you in a server with more people, if servers merge a lot it is because players are leaving but not enought are entering to compensate it.
You can't reduce the number because there is no number.
Ahoy there,
I just wanted to clarify how the servers are managed.
Rare use a system which tries to maintain a certain level of encounters on the seas - regular but not too frequent.
To do this they use a system which will merge less populated servers together, as players and ships leave the game. This is where you'll see the rhyme appear on screen -This system should ensure that you'll always encounter other ships on the seas and not be left alone and the numbers and merging is monitored constantly to ensure this is working as it should.
Now that the map has expanded and players are becoming more experienced at keeping a weather eye on that horizon, you might find that ships are harder to find - they're probably over in the Forsaken Shores avoiding lava bombs behind rocks, dropping anchor at the far side of islands in the other regions to avoid detection.
With the Reaper's flag being available, it's sometimes easier to locate other ships if they choose to fly this.
There's a little more information here -
Sea of Thieves Has a Very Smart Approach to Server Size - IGN
Rare's been clever with how it handles player encounters in its shared world.
@commandwolfyt said in Cut down the number of servers please:
@savagetwinky I sail with my buddy in a Brig if we are really looking to get things done. If we are looking to mess around we do a sloop.
So your part of the problem
We thank you for the information. Can you tell everyone how often the system checks before it executes a merge? I know for my crew and many others the merges our occurring many times in a row. It is interfering and ruining fun more than helping.
I'll give my two cents on the matter.
Things were going great with server population, then the forsaken shores came along and suddenly we saw only a few ships on the horizons. Here's what I think happened:
This month's focus is on the devils roar. This is just a small part of the map so if you're letting 6 ships sail there people will keep getting tangled up in PVP. If I were an admin for a game like SOT and sending people to the same area with an event I'd cap the servers at a lower numer, 3/4 players to prevent the devils roar from getting crowded.
Now if those 3/4 players were to just populate the normal regions and the devils roar there's a good chance you'd get the poppsite effect.
But that's just a Theory........
@savagetwinky True but most of the time we are sailing in the Brig it's very rarely we are doing a sloop. Plus the Brig is a good middle ground.
@commandwolfyt said in Cut down the number of servers please:
@savagetwinky True but most of the time we are sailing in the Brig it's very rarely we are doing a sloop. Plus the Brig is a good middle ground.
And? Your not helping with the galleon population. This is most people's mentality which now we have small and middle ground as primary choices.
@savagetwinky Galleons great when you have a good crew especially 4 friends who communicate. When it comes down to it. Communication is key on any ship and if you are sailing with your buddy you already have a brig or sloop nailed down. Getting 4 people to work together is much harder. This is especially harder in the Devil's Roar aka Forsaken Shores because it now relies on you and your crew escaping from the volcanoes. Where the Brig and Sloop excel in escaping due to their higher speed and maneuverability.
@commandwolfyt said in Cut down the number of servers please:
@savagetwinky Galleons great when you have a good crew especially 4 friends who communicate. When it comes down to it. Communication is key on any ship and if you are sailing with your buddy you already have a brig or sloop nailed down. Getting 4 people to work together is much harder. This is especially harder in the Devil's Roar aka Forsaken Shores because it now relies on you and your crew escaping from the volcanoes. Where the Brig and Sloop excel in escaping due to their higher speed and maneuverability.
Its not hard to find 1 more person.
Also devil's roar your much better off 3 manning a gally because its a tank and you don't need to escape 99% of the time.
@x-crowheart-x dijo en Cut down the number of servers please:
We thank you for the information. Can you tell everyone how often the system checks before it executes a merge? I know for my crew and many others the merges our occurring many times in a row. It is interfering and ruining fun more than helping.
Check? It doesn't need to check.
Server knows when someone leaves a server, server knows how many people is in that server. The system only have to ask if there is find another server prepared for merging. Maybe there is even a queue with servers for merging. So almost insantly the server merge is done.
Obviously couldn't be like that because I haven't seen the code. But I am 99% sure because:
1- It is logical. Checking servers is worse than an event just when someone leaves.
2- Because sometimes you sink a ship, they leave and the server merges almost instantly losingtheiryour loot.@guepard4 said in Cut down the number of servers please:
@x-crowheart-x dijo en Cut down the number of servers please:
We thank you for the information. Can you tell everyone how often the system checks before it executes a merge? I know for my crew and many others the merges our occurring many times in a row. It is interfering and ruining fun more than helping.
Check? It doesn't need to check.
Server knows when someone leaves a server, server knows how many people is in that server. The system only have to ask if there is find another server prepared for merging. Maybe there is even a queue with servers for merging. So almost insantly the server merge is done.
Obviously couldn't be like that because I haven't seen the code. But I am 99% sure because:
1- It is logical. Checking servers is worse than an event just when someone leaves.
2- Because sometimes you sink a ship, they leave and the server merges almost instantly losingtheiryour loot.Good points. What is your thoughts why it is happening so much now? It can also occur up to 4 to 6 times in a row during a play session.
It is really frustrating players and definitely diminishing fun playing. It is not the experience the process was intended to provide for sure.
@x-crowheart-x dijo en Cut down the number of servers please:
@guepard4 said in Cut down the number of servers please:
@x-crowheart-x dijo en Cut down the number of servers please:
We thank you for the information. Can you tell everyone how often the system checks before it executes a merge? I know for my crew and many others the merges our occurring many times in a row. It is interfering and ruining fun more than helping.
Check? It doesn't need to check.
Server knows when someone leaves a server, server knows how many people is in that server. The system only have to ask if there is find another server prepared for merging. Maybe there is even a queue with servers for merging. So almost insantly the server merge is done.
Obviously couldn't be like that because I haven't seen the code. But I am 99% sure because:
1- It is logical. Checking servers is worse than an event just when someone leaves.
2- Because sometimes you sink a ship, they leave and the server merges almost instantly losingtheiryour loot.Good points. What is your thoughts why it is happening so much now? It can also occur up to 4 to 6 times in a row during a play session.
It is really frustrating players and definitely diminishing fun playing. It is not the experience the process was intended to provide for sure.
I don't know. Maybe you are you playing in some hour where a lot of people stops playing.
It seems very odd to me that I see posts like this as my experiences are completely different. I have only been in a handful of server merges over many, many months. Thankfully I have only lost loot once during a server merge. But generally, I almost always find others on the map. Sometimes I can play for hours before seeing anyone, but eventually I do see them. I will say that for the most part I am rarely out looking for other ships, other than keeping a watchful eye on the horizon to make sure I know if anyone is approaching us. I am wondering if some peoples difficulties are more related to the time zones they are in and their playing times?
@savagetwinky said in Cut down the number of servers please:
@commandwolfyt said in Cut down the number of servers please:
@savagetwinky I sail with my buddy in a Brig if we are really looking to get things done. If we are looking to mess around we do a sloop.
So your part of the problem
I guess I fail to understand what you are saying. Are you saying that people sailing in sloops or brigs are a problem? I sail almost exclusively on a brig. Even when I am solo. It is by far my favorite ship. Most often though I sail with one other friend. While I do sail on a galleon occasionally, I just don't like it. Galleon is by far and away my least favorite ship.
I doubt they just burn resources by keeping empty, not needed servers up and runnig. I guess they scale however they need and have a steady number of servers matching their needs plus abit. it doesnt make sense economically to pay for a huge server farm if you be fine with half of it.
i had 1 server merge on the live servers so far, playing since release.@nofears-fun said in Cut down the number of servers please:
@savagetwinky said in Cut down the number of servers please:
@commandwolfyt said in Cut down the number of servers please:
@savagetwinky I sail with my buddy in a Brig if we are really looking to get things done. If we are looking to mess around we do a sloop.
So your part of the problem
I guess I fail to understand what you are saying. Are you saying that people sailing in sloops or brigs are a problem? I sail almost exclusively on a brig. Even when I am solo. It is by far my favorite ship. Most often though I sail with one other friend. While I do sail on a galleon occasionally, I just don't like it. Galleon is by far and away my least favorite ship.
I just realized your not the same person that is complaining about the lack of other ships while admitting to not use those ships either... you wouldn't get my response because you don't have the context.
@savagetwinky said in Cut down the number of servers please:
@commandwolfyt said in Cut down the number of servers please:
@savagetwinky Galleons great when you have a good crew especially 4 friends who communicate. When it comes down to it. Communication is key on any ship and if you are sailing with your buddy you already have a brig or sloop nailed down. Getting 4 people to work together is much harder. This is especially harder in the Devil's Roar aka Forsaken Shores because it now relies on you and your crew escaping from the volcanoes. Where the Brig and Sloop excel in escaping due to their higher speed and maneuverability.
Its not hard to find 1 more person.
Also devil's roar your much better off 3 manning a gally because its a tank and you don't need to escape 99% of the time.
Ok, it looks like you missed the point of this forum. Which I can say it looks like I went off course as well. The thing is regardless of the ship type being used we just don't see a lot of ships per server. Because the map is pretty big and everyone is pretty far away from engaging in their own adventures not screwing around. Also, the only time when people really see each other is with the reapers mark or actively looking to ally. Even the skeleton fortresses don't bring many people together anymore due to them not being as active as they used to be. So the servers just feel too big and open.
@commandwolfyt said in Cut down the number of servers please:
@savagetwinky said in Cut down the number of servers please:
@commandwolfyt said in Cut down the number of servers please:
@savagetwinky Galleons great when you have a good crew especially 4 friends who communicate. When it comes down to it. Communication is key on any ship and if you are sailing with your buddy you already have a brig or sloop nailed down. Getting 4 people to work together is much harder. This is especially harder in the Devil's Roar aka Forsaken Shores because it now relies on you and your crew escaping from the volcanoes. Where the Brig and Sloop excel in escaping due to their higher speed and maneuverability.
Its not hard to find 1 more person.
Also devil's roar your much better off 3 manning a gally because its a tank and you don't need to escape 99% of the time.
Ok, it looks like you missed the point of this forum. Which I can say it looks like I went off course as well. The thing is regardless of the ship type being used we just don't see a lot of ships per server. Because the map is pretty big and everyone is pretty far away from engaging in their own adventures not screwing around. Also, the only time when people really see each other is with the reapers mark or actively looking to ally. Even the skeleton fortresses don't bring many people together anymore due to them not being as active as they used to be. So the servers just feel too big and open.
You made a slightly different point that I responded to not just about the density of server populations but also make up. Your part of the problem with the lack of galleons on servers/brigs on servers. I never use sloops, and very rarely brig.
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