Confirmed former Sea of Thieves developer says the game is repetitive and shallow

  • @a-trusty-mango said in Confirmed former Sea of Thieves developer says the game is repetitive and shallow:

    @zokraitz And you took that personally? So it sounds like his comment struck a deep personal tone with you there. He didn't include you or specifically target you. Showing your true colors here, friend. You are making no sense on this matter, Zokraitz. Agree committee? What in the name of the Giant Crab are you talking about?

    Where is the player interaction besides just killing each other Zokraitz? Where is the gambling gold sink? Where are the PvE content that actually requires more then 1 crew to do? Where is that? This game does not need purple items. It needs tools to foster relations between crews that doesn't strictly revolve around I see a ship. Let's blow it the **** out of the water.

    Yeah that's what bothers me a lot is that Rare threw in the most basic form of open PvP (without consequences or reasons to even interact with the world beyond getting supplies) and then didn't add in any social structure or reason to be friendly to other crews. It's like somehow they thought that this wouldn't happen despite the same problems always happening when devs get cocky and think that their sandbox game with open PvP will somehow turn out different. Did they really think everyone would roleplay or act like decent human beings on a game about piracy where you have every reason to kill someone and no reason to spare them?

  • Sounds like the classic "I can't wait until I can say, I told you so" situation.

    That's how it goes when you have higher powers that are calling shots, but not taking into consideration of the good ideas to the table, even with a popular vote to back them up.

    I've been there before, and when you try to be passionate about your work, but it is instead shot down... the only thing left to do is watch the ship sink while you're standing on the shore, saying, "I told you so". I sympathize with the developers here, and I don't blame his opinion one bit.

  • @a-trusty-mango I didn't take it personally until he stated I needed to be honest with myself and I have issues. I originally stated that we all weren't delusional.

    Again I never said there couldn't be more content added. Read the posts again, in order especially the previous one because you didn't read the part about the content. "My true colors" and "my issues" are done with you both, like talking to walls. Obviously you both are entitled to your opinion, but my opinion is wrong.

  • @timidobserver said in Confirmed former Sea of Thieves developer says the game is repetitive and shallow:

    @wkgnoxx Lol, you are acting like Sea of Thieves is rocket science.

    how?

    The game is simple, you are correct. Simple and Fun.

  • I truly enjoy the game. I thought the art style was going to ruin it for me - as I love that clean Blag Flag look - but somehow it just works.

    Right now, I think of Sea of Thieves like an Apple computer. What's there works. It looks well engineered and styled beautifully, but there isn't a lot to do with it.

    I think there is likely truth to this Beddall’s claim. I've been a part of development teams that lose the true focus of a project and gold plate things to death.

    But, Beddall also gives me hope. Somewhere in there you have the ability to cook on your ship? He didn't talk about it in theoretical sense... but in actual "this was something we could do". So, there is stuff that they felt isn't ready for release ... but they have worked heavily on.

    I pray Rare gets some good content out the door before people get too bored to return ... this forum is full of ideas and obviously they have a ton themselves.

    I hold out hope. GTA Online was a joke when it was released -- and now it's one of the largest money makers in games. They keep adding things to a game that wasn't supposed to be so grandiose. SoT is supposed to be large ... so I have hope.

  • @a-trusty-mango this is spot on, I think Rare might have been a bit naive here. They think that players would create their own adventure each time but with limited content you can only go so far.

    Now everybody is bored and the only thing people do is PvP. Why would I care to drink grogg with someone when I can just shoot him in the face?

  • @a-trusty-mango Never once said he was unskilled, especially not "s*cks" in your terms. He was not informed enough to purchase a game that was shown for a long time and think it was something different...I never said he was "stupid" Sure, maybe he should play something else if he doesn't like what he bought, why torture yourself. Yes, I said all those things.

    My legs be fine mate.... but quit putting words in my mouth....

  • Me and him seem to have similar thoughts. My conclusion came very close to his. A pity really.

  • Ex-employee publicly b******g makes him/her seem petty and vindictive no matter if truthful or not.

    It's something actual professionals don't do.

    Thus , kinda hard to take anything he said with more than a grain of salt.

  • Whole post seems kind of pointless now to be honest'

    It's fun Vs I's not fun arguments.

    I like basketball, but I don't like football. I also only like Crunchy peanut butter, the smooth stuff is garbage.

    It's all subjective people, Fun for you? Boring for someone else...

    why are we even discussing this?

  • @sn4res said in Confirmed former Sea of Thieves developer says the game is repetitive and shallow:

    why are we even discussing this?

    Why not?
    It's not a discussion if the game is fun or not but about content, or rather the lack of it.

  • @a-trusty-mango And now we really into semantics (which really has nothing to do with this thread), I plainly stated with my personal bias. How you interpret those sentences with no verbal inflection is also reliant on your views as to how you read them.

    Like I stated, I'm done. Have fun on the seas, or don't. I could care less.

  • @dahkohtlewin said in Confirmed former Sea of Thieves developer says the game is repetitive and shallow:

    Ex-employee publicly b******g makes him/her seem petty and vindictive no matter if truthful or not.

    It's something actual professionals don't do.

    Thus , kinda hard to take anything he said with more than a grain of salt.

    No matter how salty his comments might be and no matter to whom, it doesn't make truth any less of a truth. Truth hurts the more layers of dirt it has on top. Makes a great workout too.

    If I sensed that someone's product had flaws, I would absolutely tell them about them. I would also tell them how to correct them unless they don't want to.

    Sometimes we need to make public statements for the good of the product and customers. Especially when a company won't allow their employees to do so. Sometimes you have to go outside to blow the whistle so people actually hear you.

  • @dahkohtlewin said in Confirmed former Sea of Thieves developer says the game is repetitive and shallow:

    Ex-employee publicly b******g makes him/her seem petty and vindictive no matter if truthful or not.

    It's something actual professionals don't do.

    Thus , kinda hard to take anything he said with more than a grain of salt.

    Only his opinion completely reflects the TONS of complaints already flooding in, there's nothing to do other than the same 3-4 very repetitive things.

  • @a-trusty-mango said in Confirmed former Sea of Thieves developer says the game is repetitive and shallow:

    @zynthetikk86 Exactly. There was not enough starting launch content to appease the blood thirst. Well to be fair, they haven't been in the industry for at least a decade. So I guess the people who run Rare don't play video games.

    That actually explains a lot as to why Rare would think that bare-bones minimalist PvP would somehow not overrun the game and undermine everything else they intended for players to do when it comes to interacting with one another. Anyone who's been paying any bit of attention to the Sandbox game craze that exploded only a few years ago with DayZ and Rust and Ark and so on would realize that open PvP is very dangerous for mass appeal.

    What bugs me a lot is that in the PvE/PvP Balance Feedback thread, it's mentioned that Rare's goal is to be inclusive and appeal to as many people as possible. Open PvP without consequence intrinsically goes against that mindset as far more people would play if PvP could be ignored and in its current form PvP steamrolls everything else.

    Rare seems like they don't really know what they want to do half the time because everything's too minimalistic at the current moment. Hopefully that changes, and changes fast.

  • He's right. I was desperately awaiting the release of SOT. It had such promise, but in essence it's a massive let down. If they mixed the graphics and general play with the economy, map and ideas of PIRATES, this game would have been awesome.

    In essence, this game is a pumped up version of a mobile phone game. Get a mission, locate a chest/skeleton/pig, grab it, head back. Game over.

    The world map is abysmal, a sea of tiny samey islands with annoying snakes and pitiful skeletons. This needed to be a proper world map with towns and villages you could trade with, countries you could fly under their flag or just be a pirate and hunt those with banners. The game content is over 30 minutes after you start playing.

    I have no doubt they will add more `content' but they will never make the wholesale changes this game needs to be great. £50...... I came so close to buying this. Thank god for the 14 day trial period on XBOX game pass.

    Gutted.

  • @runninghalfling you mean hes saltier than Dead Sea.

  • Again not debating his opinion or comments.

    This isn't a public safety hazard nor financial fraud thus the "whistleblower" thing is laughable.

    It will hurt , and it should hurt , his future employment opportunities because it shows he has zero , zero professionalism. Other companies will catch wind that he went on reddit and acted like a 12 year old girl about her former boyfriend.

    "I wanted it this way , they wouldn't listen to me , and others agreed with me"

    It's something again , actual adult professionals don't do.

  • @rager82 said in Confirmed former Sea of Thieves developer says the game is repetitive and shallow:

    Well duh? Most people agree with him. The reviews also agree with him. The only one defending this game is people who have buyers remorse and have to keep up a lie, about what this game is.

    "Its a PVP game!"

    It is both a pvp and pve. Both got sold to players. So telling half truths is cute.

    "The content is what you make of it!"

    Again, the game gives us less tools to enjoy the content than most games. The game is slow, the treasure rewards are tedious for the amount of time you invest. And it makes the pvp a griefing fest instead of fun because of the pacing of the game.

    Again this is a 20 dollar game that got charged 60 dollars for. If we don't get content updates in the next month. This could very well be Rare last game.

    Wxactly. After the "Server Maintenance" today of which I am constantly now being "Kicked: from this game after an hour of collecting loot just to lose it I am starting to really question the game.
    Don't get me wrong , I'm not a complainer , I'm a realist. I love the game but I'm starting to get very frustrated.
    As far as I can tell this game still needs a lot of content. Whether you are a loyalist or not this game is incomplete or at best shallow. These aren't just little launch tweaks we are talking about. There is just not a whole lot here. Sure there is ship battles, they are awesome, love them, digging up Treasure etc. I find myself already bored with the quest system which is repetitive to say the least. I have myself just resorted to adventuring and randomly searching Islands for loot. Which I like, but after doing that and then getting booted by the damn server all the way out of the game to restart even that is starting to fall short.
    I think the game is beautiful, I think it has great potential, I WANT it to do well. I'm afraid if they don't fix it fast, and send a TON of content our way VERY SOON its headed for trouble. I really do. The Article does not surprise me because my experience so far has matched what the guy said.

  • He isnt wrong that the game got released with not enugh content to be a full price game. But i see enugh potential for the game to be great. Hope it dont dies b4!
    Edit: just have seen the game gets sold for 60 dollar? In Germany we pay 70 Euro = 86.53727 USD. Fortunately there is the Xbox game pass

  • @sn4res said in Confirmed former Sea of Thieves developer says the game is repetitive and shallow:

    why are we even discussing this?

    You tell me.

  • And yet I'm still enjoying it.

    Am I, perhaps.... mad?

  • @ferroushornet01 said in Confirmed former Sea of Thieves developer says the game is repetitive and shallow:

    This guy was a legit developer working on the game for years...thoughts?

    The game could have been more, and I agree to some extent, there could have been more to do and see. Lets hope Rare get some expansions out to remedy the situation. Meanwhile, since i have played for 20 hours max, I can enjoy what is already here.

  • @v**a-hombre Its a fun game. But the problem is if the playerbase dies the ammount of work for big and regullary content patches could be to high. So the game could also die qq.

  • @v**a-hombre said in Confirmed former Sea of Thieves developer says the game is repetitive and shallow:

    And yet I'm still enjoying it.

    Am I, perhaps.... mad?

    If you are indeed mad, then you aren't alone. I am 100% happy and proud to say that I am also 'mad' because I enjoy this game more than any other I have played.

    But some people seem to have forgotten that "enjoyment" and "fun" are supposed to be the main reasons for playing games, rather than just side effects of an arbitrary number going up which in some way validates the player's existence and importance in the world!

  • @a-trusty-mango sounds like they got stuck in development hell.
    I guess Microsoft finally said "well Rare it's been 4 years now, release it or we're shutting you down!"

  • @a-trusty-mango said in Confirmed former Sea of Thieves developer says the game is repetitive and shallow:

    They don't even have a roadmap.

    and you know this how? they do have a roadmap otherwise they wouldn't have even made it this far.

    the fact that you haven't seen one does not mean they don't have one.

  • @triheadedmonkey said in Confirmed former Sea of Thieves developer says the game is repetitive and shallow:

    @v**a-hombre said in Confirmed former Sea of Thieves developer says the game is repetitive and shallow:

    And yet I'm still enjoying it.

    Am I, perhaps.... mad?

    If you are indeed mad, then you aren't alone. I am 100% happy and proud to say that I am also 'mad' because I enjoy this game more than any other I have played.

    But some people seem to have forgotten that "enjoyment" and "fun" are supposed to be the main reasons for playing games, rather than just side effects of an arbitrary number going up which in some way validates the player's existence and importance in the world!

    I would agree with you if it were not for the fact I get kicked from servers every half hour in a game that takes an hour to do anything. Glad your having a good time though.

  • @wkgnoxx the general complaint is that there's nothing to do besides repetitive fetch quests that reward very little gold/rep for the time invested. It's either that or hunt other players which is what brings all the crybabies complaining about "griefing".

  • @triheadedmonkey they're actually saying that they arn't showing the roadmap because they don't want to spoil the suprise. Not being transparent about the games future is shoddy to say at least.

    To be true, I don't think this game ever had a roadmap, otherwise it wouldn't have taken them 4 years to develop this.

  • @zokraitz Everything is repetitive in videogames. You don't think Call of Duty, PubG, Fortnite aren't? Run and gun, die, respawn, repeat. The only difference is that you live longer in this game.

  • @finanzminister Yeah you are right. I don't know why people thought there was more content, they could've just watched the streams. That's why I didn't buy the game. I knew there wasn't enough content and that it wasn't worth $60. Guess who has an extra $60 to buy a game with now lol

  • @zynthetikk86 why would they release information to everyone? If there are things on it that never make it to the game, people would immediately dogpile on and say they promised X and never came through.

    It would only provide fuel and ammo for people to throw back at them in any way they could.

  • @a-trusty-mango why do you need to know every detail?
    If you like the game, play it...if you find issues, report them... provide feedback as long as its constructive...if all anyone wants to do is gripe and whine, it helps no one do anything!

    I'm sure there isn't a 'Please Everyone Now' button so there will always be people that aren't happy, but again them screaming 'This sucks' fixes nothing and contributes exactly nothing.

    They aren't releasing a roadmap because they don't want to. there is nothing that says that they have to tell anyone anything.

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