@bugaboo-bill I have no problem with the current solo "Hard Mode", I am competent enough in my sailing that I can out-sail all but the most ardent of pursuers. If I get cornered be prepared for me to throw ever trick this old Bilge Rat knows at you and laugh it off if I'm defeated. I don't need changes to the game to accommodate me, as a solo slooper, but I also am worried about changes making my experience harder. For example in the latest stream Joe talked about using the harpoon to pull the mast over on a ship you are chasing. Breaking masts seems like it would be a fun mechanic to play with in the game and I am drooling over what I can mess around with using the harpoon but looking through my solo-player lens they are huge red flags to my only solid defense, sailing. I don't know where I was going with this but I trust the devs to work out the best way through it.

@reedski said in Lets discuss pro and contra of Solo, PVE only or private Servers again!:

Doesn't everybody just want to be loved for who they are? And if somebody doesn't love you for who you are but constantly tries to change you, doesn't that mean that they're not right for you? If you don't love Sea of Thieves as a PvPvE game, maybe you'll never love her no matter what she does, let's just stop trying to change her and just love the psychotic little ball of crazy just the way she is!

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@xultanis-dragon said in Lets discuss pro and contra of Solo, PVE only or private Servers again!:

When others use the example they are giving you a place. That place has a type of product, you know of the product but instead demand a completely different type of product. Why?

There have been no games in history that has been critically acclaimed that used the "Everyone" as a vision. They instead picked a demographic, stuck with it, and the game became a success. Games/Entertainment that try to please everyone or try to reach larger demographics always fail.

You can't please everyone and you shouldn't bother trying. Its a fools errand. Its not the developers responsibility to try to please everyone. I want them to stick to their vision. I want them to fight tooth and nail and believe in their vision for the game.

Why should we try to make PvE Servers? Why do we have to divide the game up to make a portion of the community happy? Is that really what you want? Division? Segregation? PvE over here, PvP over there?

At what point did we decide that PvE Servers was the only solution to their unhappiness? I always hear of how PvE Servers are whats needed. Why are there no other solutions?

I know all I did was throw a bunch of philosophical stuff at you, but I firmly believe that trying to please multiple demographics is really idiotic. Its always better to stick to the people that you know will love your vision.

Also I know I said it earlier, but regardless of what you think, PvE Servers will split the community. By the very nature of adding PvE servers, you are by de facto adding a place that only allows 1 type of play style. Which people who are part of our community as of now will instead go. We have players who would be happy with just purely PvE'ing.

Again sorry for the wall of philosophy.

Well said. Trying to please all and include all is not a good practice. Sea of Thieves doesn't need to be the perfect game for every player. No game does that, and any game that tries to be good at everything will surely implode and kill itself.

When someone or something tries to be a Jack of All Trades, more often than not they're a master of none. Then its just useless. Pick one thing, a focus on being the best at that. This business of thinking Rare should try be catering to everyone and every play style is just pure nonsense.

Sea of Thieves needs to continue to get better at being what it already is - a shared world full of unpredictable interactions and mixed player motivations. PvE servers don't fit in to that. PvE servers are counter productive to that endeavor.

Creating PvE servers would essentially be Rare backing down from the golden promised vision of creating one shared world that houses all sorts of player intents. They would be betraying the thing that seems to mean the most to them about this game.

People requesting PvE servers just don't understand the bigger picture. Rare has a unique vision, the PvE server crowd just needs to catch up to Rare and understand what it is that makes this game so special.

@zormis said in Lets discuss pro and contra of Solo, PVE only or private Servers again!:

Sorry to say but PVE is not hard in this game, you would really have to ramp up the AI and damage to make it a challenge to non new players.

Just want to put it out there: not everyone wants a challenge. A lot of people love to just chat with their friends while sailing around, collecting treasure. :) Besides, I you're concerned with the lack of challenge, there's always adventure and arena mode.

@mrolboi said in Lets discuss pro and contra of Solo, PVE only or private Servers again!:

The more isolation between variations of the game, different servers for different modes, the more you separate the player base and that will absolutely kill a game.

Especially a game like Sea of Thieves where the uniqueness comes from all of the contrasting player motivations existing in one shared world.

If Sea of Thieves allowed for assorted servers based on play style, the concept that Sea of Thieves is built on would be completely betrayed.

P.S. This is not what The Arena is, people will still be required to play the Adventure mode to get the full scope of the Sea of Thieves experience, especially since the only available progression in The Arena is the Sea Dogs company.

@truthfullist56 Yeah, and I feel the same way about PUBG.

@reedski this is a game, not a person. Nice analogy, but these are 2 very different things. We want something added (not changed) to the game. I'm personally hoping to get an offline mode. Not because I want the game changed, not because I don't like pvp. It's because I enjoy this game so much, that I'd rather play it alone (offline pve) than not play it at all when my internet is out.

Doesn't everybody just want to be loved for who they are? And if somebody doesn't love you for who you are but constantly tries to change you, doesn't that mean that they're not right for you? If you don't love Sea of Thieves as a PvPvE game, maybe you'll never love her no matter what she does, let's just stop trying to change her and just love the psychotic little ball of crazy just the way she is!

@freaktmonline said in Lets discuss pro and contra of Solo, PVE only or private Servers again!:

how many times does @Bugaboo-Bill need to start a topic about pve servers.

heres a way to sum it up... if you have all the pve'ers on pve server,s WHO exactly would the pvp'ers hunt ? game has never been advertised as a game with a pve mode or as a pve game. its high time people stopped moaning about not having something the game never advertised to have ... suck it UP and deal with it.

Well in that scenario, the pvp players would actually have to play the game... I don't see the problem there.

how many times does @Bugaboo-Bill need to start a topic about pve servers.

heres a way to sum it up... if you have all the pve'ers on pve server,s WHO exactly would the pvp'ers hunt ? game has never been advertised as a game with a pve mode or as a pve game. its high time people stopped moaning about not having something the game never advertised to have ... suck it UP and deal with it.

Seems like Rare just might be considering adding private servers in the far future... I say Just make those private servers only available to do Achievements... No Gold... No Reputations Gains... just Achievements... which I think would work just fine, because there are a lot of achievements that these PvE players wish they could focus on without threat of another player sinking them.... but if they want level or line their pockets a little then they need do Adventure mode

(Let it be known that I hope they Absolutely do not ever put in private servers... there is by far way too much carebear ways to play this game as is)

@bugaboo-bill ......you.......MEGA EYE ROOOOOLLLLLLLLLL

Just kidding.

Dude I completely understand where you are coming from, however, this need to make sure EVERYONE is included or happy can not happen. Its just not possible, and it will split the community even if you think it won't.

Its just human nature. You have to think how people react to stress, or anything. We all feel that irritation at certain points of our lives. "Man I have to deal with this AGAIN. Nope, enough of that, I'm going to PvE servers. I don't have the time nor the patience for PvP." It will happen more times than you can count.

We all use restaurant's as a example, but most don't use the correct context. You yourself included. I do not mean to criticize and I will point out how you and others use it incorrectly.

A Restaurant that is built in a area that is heavily vegetarian will not succeed if all they do is meat burgers. A BBQ Resonate that is built in Alabama or Texas will not do well if its vegan only BBQ.

When it comes to online gaming, location is not an issue. Your entire example is tied to a locations demographic changing. We don't have that for gaming.

When others use the example they are giving you a place. That place has a type of product, you know of the product but instead demand a completely different type of product. Why?

There have been no games in history that has been critically acclaimed that used the "Everyone" as a vision. They instead picked a demographic, stuck with it, and the game became a success. Games/Entertainment that try to please everyone or try to reach larger demographics always fail.

You can't please everyone and you shouldn't bother trying. Its a fools errand. Its not the developers responsibility to try to please everyone. I want them to stick to their vision. I want them to fight tooth and nail and believe in their vision for the game.

Why should we try to make PvE Servers? Why do we have to divide the game up to make a portion of the community happy? Is that really what you want? Division? Segregation? PvE over here, PvP over there?

At what point did we decide that PvE Servers was the only solution to their unhappiness? I always hear of how PvE Servers are whats needed. Why are there no other solutions?

I know all I did was throw a bunch of philosophical stuff at you, but I firmly believe that trying to please multiple demographics is really idiotic. Its always better to stick to the people that you know will love your vision.

Also I know I said it earlier, but regardless of what you think, PvE Servers will split the community. By the very nature of adding PvE servers, you are by de facto adding a place that only allows 1 type of play style. Which people who are part of our community as of now will instead go. We have players who would be happy with just purely PvE'ing.

Again sorry for the wall of philosophy.

The more isolation between variations of the game, different servers for different modes, the more you separate the player base and that will absolutely kill a game.

no thanks

Sure thing!

• No progression
• No commendations
• Double PVE encounters difficulty and frequency to make up for absence of enemy player threat.

If that mode is not supposed to be easy mode, gotta balance it out and make PVE threats real dangers!

@betsill said in Lets discuss pro and contra of Solo, PVE only or private Servers again!:

@entspeak said in Lets discuss pro and contra of Solo, PVE only or private Servers again!:

@betsill Of course you can't have a truly difficult and satisfying PvE experience... it's not a PvE game. Just as the PvE can prevent you from succeeding, so can the PvP... that's why it's a PvPvE game... it isn't PvE for now, so leave me alone.

Having PvE areas wouldn't make it a PvE game.

Strawman.

And, given that one of the statements in this thread is this: "Because there are some nights when I just want to relax after a hard day and sailing the seas and enjoying the beauty of this game is a great way to relax," a "peaceful sail through the park" is not a strawman.

...I never said that.

Strawman. I never said you did, I was responding to your statement about what “people” say.

So? The free farming alliance servers that this game has have virtually zero chance of betrayal.

There is no such thing as a free farming alliance server. Those are regular servers where they have bought/harassed to take over the regular server. It is an artificial creation done via meta-gaming. And, there is always a chance for betrayal.

You wouldn't be able to abuse the system like that in a PvE server, but I don't want PvE servers so i'll just leave it at that.

You mean you wouldn’t be able to create a free farming alliance server on a PvE server? What would prevent it?

If simply complaining was a valid argument for doing something then everything would be done. Just because a lot of people complain that they don't like the fact that this is a PvPvE game doesn't mean they should be accommodated with a PvE only section that goes completely against what this game is about.

Oh look, another strawman...

How so?

And, when you say, that Rare could "similarly" create a PvE only area, yeah... your engaging in that same specious argument that creating a PvE only mode that goes against that core concept of theft would be a similar action to a PvP focused mode that still involves that core concept. There is no similarity there beyond simple fact of creating a new mode.

Oh and another strawman... when I said "similar" I WAS saying it was similar by the "simple fact of creating a new mode."...

Ah, then it’s just another meaningless statement. Yes. Yes. The devs could, in fact, create any number of different modes. I agree. Brilliant observance, there.

@entspeak said in Lets discuss pro and contra of Solo, PVE only or private Servers again!:

@betsill Of course you can't have a truly difficult and satisfying PvE experience... it's not a PvE game. Just as the PvE can prevent you from succeeding, so can the PvP... that's why it's a PvPvE game... it isn't PvE for now, so leave me alone.

Having PvE areas wouldn't make it a PvE game. It would just be a part of the game that provides a different experience. Like the PvP arena. The Souls series is PvEvP and has both difficult and satisfying PvE...

And, given that one of the statements in this thread is this: "Because there are some nights when I just want to relax after a hard day and sailing the seas and enjoying the beauty of this game is a great way to relax," a "peaceful sail through the park" is not a strawman.

...I never said that. The person who said that is speaking for themselves only.

Alliances can be broken - hence the oodles of threads calling for penalties for breaking an alliance or complaining about those who betray them. They still allow for PvP.

So? The free farming alliance servers that this game has have virtually zero chance of betrayal. You wouldn't be able to abuse the system like that in a PvE server, but I don't want PvE servers so i'll just leave it at that.

If simply complaining was a valid argument for doing something then everything would be done. Just because a lot of people complain that they don't like the fact that this is a PvPvE game doesn't mean they should be accommodated with a PvE only section that goes completely against what this game is about.

Oh look, another strawman...

And, when you say, that Rare could "similarly" create a PvE only area, yeah... your engaging in that same specious argument that creating a PvE only mode that goes against that core concept of theft would be a similar action to a PvP focused mode that still involves that core concept. There is no similarity there beyond simple fact of creating a new mode.

Oh and another strawman... when I said "similar" I WAS saying it was similar by the "simple fact of creating a new mode."...

@betsill Of course you can't have a truly difficult and satisfying PvE experience... it's not a PvE game. Just as the PvE can prevent you from succeeding, so can the PvP... that's why it's a PvPvE game... it isn't PvE for now, so leave me alone.

And, given that one of the statements in this thread is this: "Because there are some nights when I just want to relax after a hard day and sailing the seas and enjoying the beauty of this game is a great way to relax," a "peaceful sail through the park" is not a strawman.

Alliances can be broken - hence the oodles of threads calling for penalties for breaking an alliance or complaining about those who betray them. They still allow for PvP.

If simply complaining was a valid argument for doing something then everything would be done. Just because a lot of people complain that they don't like the fact that this is a PvPvE game doesn't mean they should be accommodated with a PvE only section that goes completely against what this game is about.

And, when you say, that Rare could "similarly" create a PvE only area, yeah... your engaging in that same specious argument that creating a PvE only mode that goes against that core concept of theft would be a similar action to a PvP focused mode that still involves that core concept. There is no similarity there beyond simple fact of creating a new mode. You could say the same thing about a Space Ship mode.

@entspeak You're missing my point. I never said that "because the arena exists therefor...". The devs have and will continue to compromise on their vision. Adding variety in the case of the arena or a separate campaign instance will allow them to provide players what they want without having to compromise the PvEvP area by forcing mechanics that don't work in it. Saying people wanna a "peaceful sail through the park" is just a strawman. Like I said in my comment, because PvP is a constant threat you can't have a truly difficult and satisfying PvE experience or else any and all PvP interference would ruin it. If there were a separate instance for a campaign like "quest" Rare could make a much more challenging and engaging experience.

Again, it's not for a PvE loot farming game. If that were the case, the current PvPvE servers have far more potential for relaxing PvE loot farming than a PvE only server would(because of alliances).

If players had an instance that they could go and experience an unmolested PvE adventure then a bunch of them will be satisfied. Obviously some people will still complain, but if that was a valid argument for not doing something then nothing would ever be done.

@betsill As I stated, the argument that because Arena is more PvP focused, Rare should have a mode that is entirely PvE focused makes no sense. Arena is totally in keeping with the concept of the game, a totally PvE world just isn’t. Nor should the devs have to compromise on that vision because some folks want a relaxing sail through the park.

The problem with the current system with regard to this isn’t the current system; it is with people’s approach to it. I view PvP in the same way I view PvE - another obstacle to getting my loot turned in... another part of the game. That’s how the game is designed. Why should they excise this important part of it for folks that just want a PvE loot farming game. That just isn’t this game.

And, giving a PvE section that still relies on the PvPvE world for progression will not quiet the folks who want a pure PvE experience. Let’s be real here.

@entspeak That's definitely true, but the solution is not then to say "no PvE servers"(it's also not to say "yes PvE servers'). The fact that many players will leave the PvP enabled severs say something about the current system: It's not giving these players what they want. I think currently the PvP and PvE are suffering because of the limitations that the current design has. The PvE suffers because the PvP and shared world doesn't allow deep stories and campaign style activities. Since everyone needs to be able to participate, the activities are both open to being trolled/exploited as well as being extremely limited is scope(you can't have a story where a ship wreck happens because after it happens the first time it's done and no one else can play it). PvP also suffers, because it can't be consistent or risk ruining other players experience completely. Since it's so inconsistent Rare can't really develop it either. I don't personally think that just taking the current servers and make them PvE would be a good idea. Because PvP exists you can't have truly stand alone PvE experiences, but PvP is also the only thing that spices up the otherwise extremely dull voyages. The solution IMO is having the "adventure mode" work as a sort of cross roads for all other experiences. All players would have to come back to the adventure mode, but they could also go to other instances to get experiences that the adventure mode simply can't provide. Where the Arena is the PvP side of the game Rare could similarly create a PvE only area.

People keep saying how this will have no impact on the current PvPvE world. This is a specious argument.

The more people use PvE servers, the less of those types of players are on the seas in the PvPvE world. Does this mean fewer players per server? No. But it does mean the PvPvE servers will become more aggressive as people willing to leave you be will decrease in presence, thereby driving more people to PvE servers for "relaxation." I mean... "relaxation" in a game that was designed to be about the tension created by the potential to lose all the loot you have on you is ridiculous. This is not to say the game can't have relaxing moments, but there should always be the spectre of theft. That's how the game was designed - that's why the reward system for physical loot is the way it is. This game was not meant to be a PvE loot farming game. Now, Arena doesn't alter this concept, so saying that Arena means that they should, therefore, also have PvE servers is another specious argument. Arena maintains the vision of the game, while a PvE mode is absolutely contrary to it.

But, by all means, spam as many pro/con threads on this topic as you want. It's still the wrong thing to do to the game.

The only downside of PvE servers is that the PvP servers would be more difficult to play on. Less solo Sloopers and players that are unable to defend their loot, while also less players doing voyages instead of hunting other players. Less loot for more effort so it would be quite difficult to progress in comparison to now.

I don't think the game needs the PvE servers, but I do think that the turn-in reward system has to be reworked, because right now it benefits the PvP play-style a lot and at the same time it's punishing for PvE players who just lose loot to unwanted pvp with nothing to show for it.

I have always been in the corner of having a PvE only option at the main menu. Why? Because there are some nights when I just want to relax after a hard day and sailing the seas and enjoying the beauty of this game is a great way to relax. I do the same thing with the private session option in GTA; I load in, get my car and go for a nice drive along the coast or just fly around the world. Then there are days when I want that adrenaline rush of taking on other players ships.

I have yet to see a game that allowed PvE, PvP, and PvEvP as different options fail for any of the reasons that have been stated on this forum.

With that being said, any server options available to the player would require them to start off brand new. If Rare did grant PvE only sessions, whether online or offline, those characters would be brand new and would not have any of the cosmetics we have now. And since the rewards are just cosmetics, progression, whether online or offline in PvE only, wouldn't make any sort of difference to anyone else playing in any other server mode. Individual progression really doesn't make any sort of difference in the game as it is. So you come across another player who is PL or reached Athena 10, just means they may be more skilled than you or that they simply crew jumped like that first player who got PL. If my crew and I jumped over to a private PvE session and progressed through to PL it's not going to affect anyone else who plays this game and the character and progression would be for that server only.

But I seriously doubt such a mode will ever be implemented.

Pro:

1. Players would start out brand new again in PvE only servers. No crossing over of progressed characters
2. Opportunity for those at top progression to start over and work through the game again
3. Would not affect anyone in the primary PvEvP session
4. More options to vary play style, which can help increase game life