@drizkillz it was more about you trolling someone the other day and then getting defensive today than the actual topics

@bran-the-ent That's why I suggested there should be a confirmation at least before it's done; just like opening or closing the crew. That would keep trolls from doing it on purpose or new players by accident. Everyone here gets how it works, but if you take a pause and think can someone screw it up intentionally, the answer is a big ole yep. I'm not trying to stir any pot, I just made a suggestion brought about by an unfortunate event that, when looking at their side, should have some sort of safeguard in place to prevent a single decision/mistake affecting an entire crew. I love this game, but it really has the biggest learning curve I've ever seen and I do everything I can to help new players. I lost some blue coin but the guy had no idea because how could he without being in the situation prior? It's not his fault, no one knew when this bassackwards layout was put in place but it's common knowledge to most. I mean, we all did it, or learned from others that did. The fact that a mistake can screw over 3 other peoples invested time and have a cost that cannot be made up, should not be allowed to happen IMHO.

@cstrap I'm not sure how these are related? One is an issue that can be used to ruin a voyage because there is no explanation on why or how it works, the other is someone trying to make the game easier by having a compass mounted to the rowboat when all you need to do is stand up and pull out the one in your pocket. So, you tell me when you see a rowboat set in this time frame that has a compass on it and I'll let you win this one. Otherwise, I mean... I'm not sure where you were going with this.

@bran-the-ent Ah gotchya. Well if they aren't willing to modify it, I would strongly recommend they warn players about losing doubloons by messing with the flags during the voyage.

@xcalypt0x It's not, apart from saying that it may be intentional and shouldn't be changed.

@bran-the-ent said in Please fix reaper / alliance flag issue or lock it out so that it cannot be done:

@xcalypt0x Raising the alliance 'Join' pennant drops the flag, yes. But, once the pennant is up and an alliance is created, you can lock it and raise the Reaper. This means you have to plan to do the Reaper flag voyage with an alliance - you can't do it mid-voyage. Which may be what was intended, actually... in the same way that you can't start a reaper voyage without having the flag up.

I'm not sure how this is any different from what I said.

@xcalypt0x Raising the alliance 'Join' pennant drops the flag, yes. But, once the pennant is up and an alliance is created, you can lock it and raise the Reaper. This means you have to plan to do the Reaper flag voyage with an alliance - you can't do it mid-voyage. Which may be what was intended, actually... in the same way that you can't start a reaper voyage without having the flag up.

@theunionjames I agree with you completely but do want to make one point.

I think there is just one feature of the system that is causing the disconnect/miscommunication with @Nefrit-Od . Players can fly a "2nd" flag after they have successfully made the alliance because the alliance pennant is not controlled by players but by the alliance system. Once an alliance is successfully created, the offer and join flags are taken down from their respective ships.

I don't believe at any point the player is able to raise an offer/join alliance flag along with a regular flag. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

This does cause a lot of confusion though and I think the system should be changed. Offer/join should be treated as pennants that can be raised/lowered irrespective of the flag. It is also stupid IMO that players can spend doubloons on these quest without being made aware that attempting to form an alliance mid voyage will interfere with their ability to complete the commendation.

@coffeelight5545 said in Please fix reaper / alliance flag issue or lock it out so that it cannot be done:

@drizkillz

I agree that the reaper flag is pointless. The only reason why this new accommodation is up because they are trying to get more people to use the flag.

After this event, I am not using the reaper flag anymore. It is solely for PvP players. For the record, you must put up the flag before the mission starts and keep it up until it’s over. You must make an alliance before that

Pointless? We fly it to get people who want to PVP to attack us. Thus it it takes of the focus off of PVErs, it also lets PVErs know another ship is in the area.

@drizkillz said in Please fix reaper / alliance flag issue or lock it out so that it cannot be done:

@nefrit-od said

P.S. I'm just tired of crying babies on a forum.

Bad form, Sir.

Try to be more open minded before replying. I ran into a situation tonight where someone made a mistake, however; after hearing them say they had no idea I had to agree that there is no formal instruction on how the flags work, nor how they can or cannot work together. Asking for a simple confirmation of changes that can affect an entire boat is not crying, it's common sense, and perfectly reasonable. Your replies, on the other hand, have no argument and make no contributions other than a child's "I'm right, you're wrong."

Didn’t you do this exact same thing to a guy who asked for an easier option to look at the compass on a rowboat yesterday?

@barnacle-blake said in Please fix reaper / alliance flag issue or lock it out so that it cannot be done:

@realstyli said in Please fix reaper / alliance flag issue or lock it out so that it cannot be done:

@barnacle-blake said in Please fix reaper / alliance flag issue or lock it out so that it cannot be done:

Talk about a way to troll players someone could just join and drop a flag to ruin someones game.. Nobody did it on purpose for us but I could see it happening.

Yep, happened to a crew I was in last night... Random joins, runs straight for flag and changes it to jolly roger for "lolz"... Luckily we only did the first map of that voyage.

5 doubloons down the drain. Ya i could see this getting worse as trolls catch on

More so the time wasted would annoy me, especially if that had been on the last map - I would have been livid.

Got lucky with most of my crews last night though, met some really nice people, and I did manage to finish all 5 and made over 120K gold. So, not a bad day in spite of that one guy.

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@barnacle-blake said in Please fix reaper / alliance flag issue or lock it out so that it cannot be done:

Talk about a way to troll players someone could just join and drop a flag to ruin someones game.. Nobody did it on purpose for us but I could see it happening.

Yep, happened to a crew I was in last night... Random joins, runs straight for flag and changes it to jolly roger for "lolz"... Luckily we only did the first map of that voyage.

5 doubloons down the drain. Ya i could see this getting worse as trolls catch on

@barnacle-blake said in Please fix reaper / alliance flag issue or lock it out so that it cannot be done:

Talk about a way to troll players someone could just join and drop a flag to ruin someones game.. Nobody did it on purpose for us but I could see it happening.

Yep, happened to a crew I was in last night... Random joins, runs straight for flag and changes it to jolly roger for "lolz"... Luckily we only did the first map of that voyage.

This was issue my crew had. Two people in my crew know about the reaper flag/alliance system two did not. We had two new kids levels around 20 each.

Did 1 reaper run NP

2nd as we were almost done one of our new players runs up and puts up alliance flag to offer to a brig at Wanders refuge as we are looking for chests.

We all say NOOOO but damage was already done. Kid felt bad since he did not know but still sucked for us.
So we did 3 reapers runs and only got 2 reapers runs done.

Closed crews only for me until this gets finished.....

Talk about a way to troll players someone could just join and drop a flag to ruin someones game.. Nobody did it on purpose for us but I could see it happening.

Hello!

Slightly late to the party here, but noticed things are getting a bit heated in here so wanted to weigh in quickly. This is something that members of the team have been made aware of and will look to investigate where possible.

The feedback here is really useful, so let's keep things civil.

@coffeelight5545 said in Please fix reaper / alliance flag issue or lock it out so that it cannot be done:

@drizkillz

I agree that the reaper flag is pointless. The only reason why this new accommodation is up because they are trying to get more people to use the flag.

After this event, I am not using the reaper flag anymore. It is solely for PvP players. For the record, you must put up the flag before the mission starts and keep it up until it’s over. You must make an alliance before that

No this Reaper’s Mark event is just recycled content that has existed for a year to have a large new number of players test part of the concepts and theory of the upcoming Arena mode. The Reaper’s Mark is supposed to be what players make it. Does not have to mean PvP combat. The entire Mercenary set of voyages is basically filler content of everything that we had and have done in game for a year to hold over until the mega update.

@nefrit-od said in Please fix reaper / alliance flag issue or lock it out so that it cannot be done:

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@galactic-geek That's it exactly, and if anyone on the boat forgets it, then there's 5 dubz out the door. I think it would be nice if a confirmation prompt came up or similar.

And who's problem is that?
Its how game mechanic work deal with it.

That's a pretty rude response.

The point of the post, I believe, is to state that there's ZERO information or indication the Reaper's flag will come down when you put up an Alliance flag.

When it counts toward progression or a specific mechanic, there has to be some kind of warning or explicit documentation of how it works. Many players who have been playing even for a long time do not know this... it it largely never mattered before. Until now, the patch highlight requires proper management of a flag.

The user experience for it needs to be better.

@drizkillz Litrally just happened to me, bought my voyage, put the flag up, activated the voyage and a crew mate took the flag down for an alliance one. 5 doobs wasted 😭

Although he replaced the voyage so it’s not all doom and gloom 😂

@nefrit-od The reason people get confused is because you can fly another flag while an alliance flag is also flying. That makes people think they are separate things.

I'll stop reading his posts too. He does not get the point of "feedback and suggestions".

@nefrit-od Thanks for proving my point, bud. You're awesome.

@drizkillz написал в Please fix reaper / alliance flag issue or lock it out so that it cannot be done:

@nefrit-od I stopped reading your comments because none of them are constructive. I made a post that could benefit the community. This scenario is not common knowledge in the least. It's never mentioned in game, there are no instructions, and it's flat out faulty and should be addressed. Stop being so vain and show a little consideration, will ya? Experienced players will scoff & whatnot, but to others it can be a nightmare of wrecking a new found set of stranger's game. What I suggested wouldn't hurt anyone but you, apparently. And that is something you need to address.

"I stopped reading your comments because none of them are constructive"
Just perfect, then you shouldn't reply to me at all.
BB

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@nefrit-od said in Please fix reaper / alliance flag issue or lock it out so that it cannot be done:

It makes me sad when Pioner (!) talking about stuff like that not knowing basic mechanics of game. Dude your Tester - learn how game works pls. Don't shame your title.

Well you are more than welcome to show me up when the Pioneers go opt in. I look forward to your contributions where you tell everyone that that bugs and design flaws are obviously meant to be there and that we're being "Whiney babies" for reporting them.

Next time read and reply to whole text instead of cutting 1 message from it that you want to reply only ignoring whole other text.
I gave you facts and showed you that's you lying or not familiar with game mechanics and how it works.
I tried to explain why and where you made a mistake but your not "hearing" or don't want too.

I will type it once again:
All Flags going in ONE slot - TOP of your main mast.
IF you changing one flag to another, it means that YOU SWITCHED Flags.
No matter was you in alliance, dead, drunk, or whatever else.

Next: Read commendation ingame text - its always explaining what you need to do.

Final: https://support.seaofthieves.com/hc/en-gb/articles/360008873113-Reaper-s-Mark-Flag-FAQ

Use search button.

And yes i still think its "crying baby" post from dude who don't wan't to play game by its rules.

I did not talk about flying the "Start a NEW Alliance" flag. This should replace the reapers mark.
Accepting an alliance should not do anything with the primary flag though. The flags indicating you are are part of an alliance are in completely different spots.

To make sure you understand my intention. I never ran into the problem myself because I know this mechanic is not implemented in a way that makes using it intuitive. The only fact that makes me kind of angry about things like this is that I - being a game developer - will never understand why game mechanics like this one are so unintuitive over and over again in so many games for no reason. It would be so easy to get this done right.