@tak225 said in Private servers:

@nofears-fun it’s almost guaranteed but what if you just want to do a fort I don’t go to a fort because I want pvp I go to a fort cos I wanna do the fort and it very difficult to fight the fort and another crew who will usually pull up behind you and just canon you from behind and most likely send a few crewmates with kegs to explode you up for good measure it’s just getting boring now

I definitely clear out any boats in sight before attempting a fort. Also try to keep one guy always near the ship to check for other ships incoming.

@tak225 I am not sure what to tell you matey, honestly, I never, ever go to a fort without the knowledge that it is more difficult than most anything else in the game, and that is mostly because of the PvP. I am not sure you can separate the two.

@nofears-fun it’s almost guaranteed but what if you just want to do a fort I don’t go to a fort because I want pvp I go to a fort cos I wanna do the fort and it very difficult to fight the fort and another crew who will usually pull up behind you and just canon you from behind and most likely send a few crewmates with kegs to explode you up for good measure it’s just getting boring now

@sw1tcho I agree that the difficulty is generally higher going against PvP than PvE (unless you are on a brig against a kraken, even then I may have to re-evaluate that as @xCALYPT0x has put together quite the instructional on how to solo a kraken in a sloop, which I have successfully duplicated, now I need to see if I can do it on a brig, with or without a crew), but the fact that the AI threats happen so much more often do make playing without PvP much more difficult to manage than at any time before. I can play whole sessions, days in a row, without any PvP at all. Even on days when I am not trying to avoid it, just letting things happen organically (which is my preferred playing style, in other words, I don't go hunting other ships, but if they come at me, I make on the spot decision, fight or flight and that decision is based entirely on my mood that day).

So all of that to say, that when I first started, doing the PvE without any PvP was super easy compared to now. So, I am no longer against PvE servers, for this and a couple of other reasons. But, because on those few occasions when PvP does happen and the difficulty that it entails, especially for those that prefer PvE and don't practice PvP, the game is slightly easier overall (again, adding in the amount of times you actually see PvP vs how much stronger that threat actually is) I would say that a reduction in XP and Gold is in order, but probably not as much as some have suggested.

@tak225 This is one area that I am not so sure about when it comes to the PvE debate. Should skull forts be active on a PvE server? The reason I ask this is because the one area you can say is a central focus for and an area where you see the most PvP it is at forts. If I am in the mood for PvP and don't want to ruin someone else's game, then I go to a fort. Everyone that goes there has to expect the strong potential and even the probability that there will be PvP.

@clarionz said in Private servers:

@sw1tcho said in Private servers:

I'm fine with it, but have lower rep and gold gains on the PvE server. You shouldn't be rewarded as well with no risk.

And for those that say there is risk: No. Unless you're a solo slooper and get a Skelly Ship that has a really annoying special (like a sleep ball) you are pretty much completely safe.

NPC threats are still the biggest threat on the seas. They seem to claim way more treasure from the players than other players. And they don't say stuff about your parents or use words that most players seem to be too immature to use anyways :P

I disagree entirely. Any player worth their sea salt knows good players are the biggest threat in the game by far.

I can't even remember the last time I was sunk by a PvE encounter....and I'm a solo sloop player.

@tak225 and it’s not just sometimes it happens all the time

@nofears-fun thieves ain’t really the issue but the players who sit a island away from a skull fort after you have spent your time fighting it only to come and sink your ship at the last minute it’s those types I would like to avoid on pve servers

@clarionz Who said there won't be thieves in Private Servers? Fact is you can use Private Servers for many, many reasons.

Not only that, but being thieves doesn't say who we are stealing from. For me, I steal from skellies, the meg and kraken. LOL

@darkjedirebel some reason people don’t want options

@nofears-fun

The game was not supposed to have AI ships either. This is not a very good argument.

"But it's called Sea of Thieves"
Now that's the best argument people usually come up with :P Counter that!

@sw1tcho said in Private servers:

I'm fine with it, but have lower rep and gold gains on the PvE server. You shouldn't be rewarded as well with no risk.

And for those that say there is risk: No. Unless you're a solo slooper and get a Skelly Ship that has a really annoying special (like a sleep ball) you are pretty much completely safe.

NPC threats are still the biggest threat on the seas. They seem to claim way more treasure from the players than other players. And they don't say stuff about your parents or use words that most players seem to be too immature to use anyways :P

Private servers would basically be pve servers and we don't want that.

@darkjedirebel said in Private servers:

Private Servers are coming! Cry...Cheer...complain....or laugh.
Joe Neete said they are coming. Anyone leaving the game over it?

Not me. The more options and reasons to play the better. The more people would play and be happy. The more the game would get better.

If the hardcore PvP crowd and purist truly had their way the game would be sinking with water up onto the upper deck by now. The game was almost sunk on arrival. Change is the only thing that has kept it afloat and enough players around.

Rare will build it and a lot more pirates will come.

@one-eye-ethan said in Private servers:

The game isn’t supposed to have private servers. As Captain Nicklas said, there is a sense of suprise in the game that other games don’t have. Is the galleon you see of in the distance a friendly ship of sailors, or a crew of beaten, experienced PLs? The game wouldn’t be what it is if they had private servers.

The game was not supposed to have AI ships either. This is not a very good argument.

@sw1tcho said in Private servers:

I'm fine with it, but have lower rep and gold gains on the PvE server. You shouldn't be rewarded as well with no risk.

And for those that say there is risk: No. Unless you're a solo slooper and get a Skelly Ship that has a really annoying special (like a sleep ball) you are pretty much completely safe.

I would argue that you are not completely safe, brig and kraken don't work out for the brig so well. But you are mostly right.

There are far more threats today than there were when the game was first released. But that doesn't replace having to go against other pirates. So a reduction in value is reasonable and something I have said should be done. Though, I would probably say less of a drop than others have advocated for, simply for the reason that yes, less risk, but how much less risk is it really. I have plenty of sessions where I see other ships, but never actually get close to them or them to me.

I'm fine with it, but have lower rep and gold gains on the PvE server. You shouldn't be rewarded as well with no risk.

And for those that say there is risk: No. Unless you're a solo slooper and get a Skelly Ship that has a really annoying special (like a sleep ball) you are pretty much completely safe.

The game isn’t supposed to have private servers. As Captain Nicklas said, there is a sense of suprise in the game that other games don’t have. Is the galleon you see of in the distance a friendly ship of sailors, or a crew of beaten, experienced PLs? The game wouldn’t be what it is if they had private servers.

@tak225 No

@tak225 won't happen and shouldn't as any treasure gained should have the option to be stolen. This is the main point of the game. I do think the option to have a crew of 2 ships might be viable with a slightly increased ship capacity on the server.

I understand the "fear" about private servers.

• It would split the community
• It gives PvE some sort of advantage
• It is against the dev's original vision
  and many others I am sure I am forgetting.

But there are many reasons for wanting Private Servers.

• You just want to go up against your friends to see who is the best. Best at what you ask, well that is up to them. It could be who finds the most treasure the fastest, who is best at straight up ship to ship combat, skull-ball, who is the best navigator, who is the best helmsman. And sooo much more.
• You can have community events, there are soooo many side communities for SoT and each of them try to set up their own private servers now through intimidation/bribery so they can do their community events, since they are already doing it anyways, why not just make it easier and give them a private server. This would surely cut down on the intimidation currently happening.
• Streamers could set up servers to go up against players they trust to be either quality opponents, or at least be less than toxic. Even inviting special guests to their private servers to go against. Heck, imagine streamers that want to set up competition for prizes based on certain activities?
• PvE servers for people that just want to relax on the open seas. I know this is not so popular with some, but it is one of the most requested things.
• Family friendly servers where anything can still go, just less toxic.

And I am sure I am also forgetting many of the other great reasons private servers make sense. Does it split the player base, sure, a little. But not everyone will be setting up private servers all the time. And to top it off, the player base is much bigger than anyone thinks. I don't see that changing because you now have private servers.

@jonavuka said in Private servers:

Private servers would have to change the game mechanics to make it fair to open world servers, like only having one crew that "wins" and gets to cash in their loot and of course you have to fully populate the server, no soloing a private server... There are so many problems to tackle...

Thanks for sharing this opinion. Everyone having a voice is very important.

Nothing has to change. Another fallacy and a fear spread to scare pirates wanting something like this. Again there is nothing to “win” over other players.

@targasbr said in Private servers:

@darkjedirebel Many people wanting something does not mean it's right.

Same could be said for The Arena. Maybe it should not come using the same logic.

@tak225 said in Private servers:

@ktingaling joining your friends and having multiple ships on a servers would give a fleet of friends a very big advantage

No sir it would not! There is no play to win. There is no advantage to gain over other players. There is nothing to win other than playing and having a good time doing so.

Since you are still keeping your stop list, please add this fallacy to it. Thank you!