Ship value tracking, and a complimentary system that rewards players who take risks.

But the rare tea is a cover for the illegal stuff we smoke in holland and the sugar is the caribean white gold.. we even let the cargo plants dry on purpose :")

But i like the idea. Its fun to keep everything and its fun for pirates to plunder a nice cargo so it could have a fun effect to stimulate a little gambling ^^

@gaseousxihro if you’re already doing it just for the rush then that is probably enough. There’s an Xbox achievement, so that’s one tangible reason to do it. The other is high-level/Athena are already naturally higher-risk (time and possibility of losing the Athena as well as higher rewards than other voyages). There’s also the Devils Roar and “ashen” stuff which is better gold and xp.

Basically I think you’ve got what you’re looking for already.

I completely agree with you and think this would work great! This game is so much more fun when then is an actual risk and you are on edge. This is a simple system that would really help on the way to Pirate Legend. It could also make for a new way in which other players interact with each other - People may see how much loot others have and steal it for their own ledger but be raided by another. Or an alliance could distribute loot to make everyone in the alliance get better loot which would, in the long run, get the alliance more money.

I think this would be great!

@gaseousxihro The gold becomes meaningless as you get that high up anyway. Losing an Athena with 2+ hours work put in is the definition of high risk. Enjoy the regular play while you can.

@haydnsym45

You don’t have to play like us. You can sell after every island.

This mechanic is for those who enjoy risk. Think of our ship, as a piñata, the more stuff into our piñata the better the reward.

If you are confident in your crews ability, then you will push past the innicial “hoard 20 chest on your boat” achievement. Going to 50 chest then 100 chest ect. The more you risk(losing) or gamble(rng/ other players) the better payout I would like.

Typically these are players who play for longer then three - eight hours. As an example, I did two gilded voyage without selling. Got attacked by a brig, and took part of their gilded voyage.

If players don’t want to play this style, then they won’t participate. It won’t get them. So saying “enjoy the regular voyages while they last” is silly, being that the game won’t punish a player for not hoarding, but reward players that enjoy risking it.

As another example, players tend to fight harder when they are at risk of losing everything. If your boat is empty, you’d probably let it sink and respawn. If it has 30k worth of loot, you’d ether run or fight. Personally I enjoy fighting, the challenger. Since you are typically at a better defense, stationary, on the initial attack. “Boat is coming for a ram” aright go barrel them. “ someone jumped off to try and keg us” well jump into the water and shoot the keg before he gets too close— kill that player before he gets on the boat.

@new-world-clogs

I disagree with “ make a ship ride lower” basically your hinting that a ship is always under the balask ball mechanic. Which sinks a galleon if they are careless about their upper deck (( via possible lack of planks to prioritize only lower deck repairs)) that and a galleon is so large that you can usually hit upper deck easier compared to lower. ( this is also assuming that your ship is thirty - fifty meters from another vessel. Where your aiming at the top of the sails or even over it. )

Other then that I do can agree with you.

I don’t really care much for those “farming servers” yeah sure they farm till they get to PL but they don’t learn how to fight. Personally I just think players who do that are, just solely focused on their status in the game. Via max level. Guess what, the games no different when you reach max, and without pvp action I tend to get bored.

At this time, I could careless, how other play. If they want to farm, let em. If they want to sell after every island or skull fort, so be it. I just find it humorous when someone wants to fight, after selling their bounty because they have nothing to lose. All I’m really interested in, is making it more enjoyable for myself, by adding a challenge.

I’ve suggested a similar bounty system, where if you sink five player ships without sinking.(so a kill streak system) , you are marked as hostile. After you sink the hostile ship, you gain a token(mermaid gem) Worth 30k if that hostile ship sinks. If the hostil ship sinks another ship increase bount by 5k. This is incentive for other players to attack ships. What does it do for hostile ship? Provides pvp in adventure mode, they do not get a reward. I woulda liked one but, if a player scuddels to get the token to sell to duke, I can see it being cheesed maybe.

All and all, everything can be cheesed by the “pve” servers. I find it boring, however I do enjoy playing with friends in a 2 ship fleet on occasion. (( when alliance came out, I originally thought it would be a “my fleet” vrs “ your fleet” mechanic, which I woulda enjoyed))

I love this idea, it would help people get tons of gold and provide pvp players an actual reward when raiding other ships. There'd be more opportunity on the ocean for plunder instead of finding empty ships all the time.

Increase the number of ships per server too. More life on the ocean would be more fun.

@galactic-geek

The gilded was an example because it gets you a lot of items in a shorter period of time, that’s why I referenced it.

I’ve done two or three ashen Athena’s, only selling Athena chest but keeping the rest.

Back in June 2018, I did a 16-18 hour voyage and had 250assorted treasure, from trinkets/ skull forts to voyages.

This was before skull forts every 15 minutes , loot drops from meg/ kraken and devils roar

@dragonwhir0 Sure fine whatever floats your boat, by all means go for the rush of risking 40k gold. I’m not seeing that as a justification for additional rewards on top of regular.

The only real upside I can see is that it could mean more equal-risk PvP encounters. There’s a similar downside though - more incentivento attack while empty hoping you’re attacking a hoarder. So for that reason, beyond the other more esoteric reasons earlier stated, I’m opppsed.

@gaseousxihro I like the concept, but perhaps not the implementation as you have outlined it.

Loot serves two purposes in SoT, to give people a reason to sail around the world, and to give them something to fight over with other players.

Loot creates the motivation for all types of play.

It would be a more interesting sea for everyone if all ships were rolling around laden down with goodies. It'd also be a much more dangerous sea, there'd be no reason not to attack every ship if the chances of them having good loot was higher than it is now.

Once you hit max level, unless you've been avoiding combat, you should have fairly decent PVP skills. The thrill of a PVP fight starts to fade as your skill level increases. It takes a little bit more for the adrenaline to start flowing. That's where hoarding a bunch of loot comes in. I may not need rep, but 50 - 100g worth of loot is still 50 - 100g worth of loot. That makes things exciting.

The fact that not every ship carries that much loot means that there's a whole tactical game in picking targets, tracking them down, attacking them when they are most vulnerable/valuable. It's the best feeling in the world when you get it all right and sink someone with an Athena's chest on board, especially if it involved some sort of scheme, like stowing away to see what Island their chest is on and then having the ship ambush them as they leave.

I'd be ok with there being a small incentive to carry loot on board, because that would mean that people who defeat a PVP crew would get some sort of reward for their victory (beyond getting to survive and keep their stuff), but not such a large incentive that every ship is a valuable target, so there's no reasons not to sink them.

I'd lean towards a system where, if you have over a certain threshold of loot on board when you go down, you get extra resources in your barrels on respawn, like maybe 30 extra of each resource. That way there's a reason, especially for a PVP crew, to keep loot on board, but people aren't forced into carrying a massive haul to try and maximise their earnings.

@gaseousxihro I understand where you are coming from, but my personal journey with SoT has gone from:

avoid every ship you see

to

sink every ship you see

to

let's figure out if that ship is worth our time

It all happened pretty naturally for me. I understand that other people don't seem to follow the same trajectory.

I'd be fine with tweaking things and adding incentives to help other people find their way, I'm just wary of changing things too much, because they seem to have worked as intended for me.

It's not a bad suggestion and I agree in principle, but I feel the PVP crowd are the ones we want to encourage to carry loot, and seeing as a lot of them don't care about loot, the way to encourage them seems to me to be to give them something they do care about i.e. cannonballs, planks and bananas on respawn.

@new-world-clogs said in Ship value tracking, and a complimentary system that rewards players who take risks.:

I think that there should be some reward for hoarding loot. Not as much as you suggest or the temptation would be too great to make "Friendly Servers" with 6 ship alliances. People would make PL in a 24 binge.

I think they should remove the rep rewards from alliance members. Only the crew that turns it in should get rep. The other crews should just get a cut of the gold. That would prevent the PvE boosting servers.

I also think that ships with lots of loot should ride lower in the water so that other pirates can see if a ship is worth attacking or not.

I don't really like this one because that would mean the ship would be easier to sink and would create an imbalance in PvP. It's basically like having the ballast ball effect.

@haydnsym45
I attack anyone and everything, while having a hoard in my own boat. Running with one vil skull or 1 castaway, it the same but a bit more tilting. I still use their boat as target practice and resource gather.

Earlier today I had a brig run from my sloop. I just find it silly that larger ships run from smaller, where they merely have a couple castaway/ sefeirer/ less then 10k

The only reason you seem to be against the idea is purely “ people will attack (me?) more” but rather then defend, they run— to mock you later.

I’d personally rather someone defend/fight then just run. I gladly welcome ships to try and roll up on me at a fort, while other I encounter just leave without attempting.

Not everyone wants to pvp, just to pvp. I enjoy the game more when all the loot floats to the top, rather then “ oh, we just won... nothing! Yeah!”

I’ve noticed those who run, typically lower skill/ don’t trust their crew( via open crew) or are grinding their levels. This is ignoring “sailor” pirates,but rather players who have at least a couple ghost(Athena) items. Which would rule out the “ new to the game” argument.

As a side note, I joined an open crew galleon a few days ago. The pirate legend insisted that I should be nice to the two stowaways at marrows outpost. They were taking to me and I commented to my crew” I’m not scared of em, if you want I’ll take them out.” I went to get cargo, dropped it and then sat on a cliff. I went AFK to go to the bathroom and found out I was on ferry. Assumed the island erupted. I needed to go to ruby, and found a sloop. The same two guys without a boat at the outpost. Who asked if I was mad that they killed me. I solo sunk them twice, out of spite, cutlass and sniper— no respawn/ boat( swam over) did my riddle and left. They were aggressive first, but I won that little battle. They never returned.

The point, is my PL “captain” thought that little sloop was gunna do something, but I showed em that nothing is impossible if you put your mind to it. I gained no loot from them, but merely kept my own loot safe.

If there was an incentive to defend ( if you sink the incoming threat, get a token—10k?) merely resources isn’t enough of an incentive. Loot/ gold/ stealing is more enjoyable. As well as defending against an approaching ship.

Weather you like it or not, end game is fun, however, constant npc encounters become a bother. That being said, charging toward another ship only to have a skeleton ship spawn on you.

@dragonwhir0 Wasn’t my first reason and certainly not the best, you only saw it because it was the last and in response to someone else’s comment.

@gaseousxihro

Just adding to your comment.
Which is more enjoyable, opening up a twitch streamer.?
If you notice a lot of loot, you question it.

1. alliance/ pve server?(( can be close friends — I’ve participated but rarely.))
2. no alliance

interesting, how do they play?

1. oh! They hoard?! Let’s hope they sink
2. do they run from fight?
3. hoard/ fight everything/ defend/ be strategic/ dominant

Don’t get me wrong, watching baby/ new player is very entertaining. “ how do you lower sails?”

Most viewer like to watch someone who fights, and wins/ dominates fights. Weather it’s hoarding 100k Worth of stuff or stealing 100k. Either way it’s more enjoyable to see the reaction when they pop open a ship and see all the shimmering items floating on the surface. Weather it’s excitement or defeat from losing it — via RNG mechanics or players who are better in fights.

There is this streamer who has a little game show “ loot and lore” where they ask questions to other pirates and then give them loot. Dev created a sail for that streamer. I didn’t personally find the concept very entertaining, and I’ve never returned.