Quitting SOT 'til Macros Fixed

@th3xr34p3r said in Quitting SOT 'til Macros Fixed:

Care to elaborate on what specific issue you are having with the game and what you can suggest they do to fix it? a post saying "screw this I'm out until x is fixed" is not the best way to have something resolved in the long term.

almost positive its the double gun .. I have found a effective way to counter it but there are the cases like what just happened to me which will also make me quit until they fix it (10 mill sailed and I love PvP ) two guys board you you have no treasure and they jsut keep you dead with essentially what is now 4 guns shooting at you everytime you spawn FORCING YOU to now scuttle your ship .. just because you are trash at the game doesn't mean jump on and grief ppl , maybe practice a sword fight. I don't play with anyone I use to as they all want to be like that one toxic person everyone knows about and one shot everyone no matter how new to the game/friendly/no loot. It's literally a boredom thing though. it's the same people complaining the game had no content that are now on double gunning ppl for fun to watch them get mad because they cant accept that some people are playign the game and having fun. and Even though joe neat confirmed they will fix it and its not intended to work the way it currently is , EVERYONE defends themselves when they use it calling the other player bad at the game and rude names , all while using an exploit that was never intended to work that way (yes i will repeat that over and over )

@th3xr34p3r yes yesterday I decided to play on a brig with two brand new players . and it the 4 hrs we played we had another brig of double gunners try to torture us the whole time. I was able to have the two noobs run the ship away while i boarded them, knocked them off and sailed circles around them telling them this is not the way the game is intended to be played .. I made them scuttle a total of 3 times as they kept comign back .. funny thing is I explained via a msg and in game that I was just trying to teach new players the ropes andthey are making them want to quit . if they want to battle come with a sword a gun and or a ship fight dont just board and double gun them to death over and over .or i will keep boarding and killing his ship . yet he (the one i msgd) proceeded to tell me over mic "you only killed me once" and proceeded to chase attempt to board adn double gun the whole day then he msgd me once we got off and said he was headed back to watch that toxic person .. like I said I know how to deal with it but sometimes they do get the upper hand (like tonight) and it is quite annoying when they do ,, as dedicated players we should not have to deal with that sort of greifing

@th3xr34p3r said in Quitting SOT 'til Macros Fixed:

@el-dth-taco That's already getting a in game fix to help mitigate it as much as possible, just need to wait and see how they sort it.

ill just put this here RARE SINCE YOU MORE THAN LIKELY WONT STOP HOLDING TWO GUNS ,, YOU NEED TO NERF THE DAMAGE OF THE SNIPER AT CLOSE RANGE . IT SHOULD DO 80% LIKE IT DOES NOW BUT FROM FAR AWAY , IF SOMEONE IS ON YOUR SHIP THAT IS TOO CLOSE IT SHOULD DO MAYBE PISTOL DAMAGE FROM THAT CLOSE AS THE BULLET WOULD CLEANLY PASS THROUGH YOU . just one idea though

@th3xr34p3r said in Quitting SOT 'til Macros Fixed:

@p0pc0rnh3mer01d What really needs to be done is to separate PvP Player damage numbers of weapons from the PvE side, this will help better tune the rates for each type of encounter instead of having a single state for them.

This way you can have the 80% damage dealt to mobs and adjust as needed for the rate against players.

but currently sniper does not do 80% damage to a skelly sometimes skelly will take 3 sniper shots to go down

Got double gunned the other day, not a very pleasant experience I can assure you.

@xultanis-dragon agreed. A lot of double gunners I come across aren't macroing.

I don't even mind if they're switching and shooting and it's 8 shots to dodge. That's fine.

If they're good at switching fast and hitting two shots in rapid succession that can be difficult to counter and I'm glad that Rare are looking into it.

I'm not so bothered by it that I'd quit the game. It'll be fixed soon. I'm using this time to train myself better how to avoid boarders. A bit of practice never hurt anyone. Usually I'd enjoy a bit of CQC combat but these days I avoid it until I know I'm fighting people who play fair. I still find only about 1/2 the ships I come across have double gunners, which is still too many, but my experience has been that not everyone is doing this. Depends on the server though, I reckon.

@lapinnoux

Firstly- you can do this on xbox, it's not as easy as on PC, but it can be done without difficulty. It doesn't require a macro, just fast button presses (which is basically what a macro is)

Secondly - If you end crossplay, you kill the game on PC. PC is a tiny portion of the user base. Over represented on here but tiny in reality. So tiny that there's no way that the problems of the majority of users could be caused by such a small minority. If PC players were only able to play with PC players every server for us would be a ghost town.

Rare aren't going to kill the game on one of the only two platforms it released on, no matter how often you request it.

@th3xr34p3r , I would (1) suggest you avail yourself of the Dev update from 1-7-16, where Joe Neate covers this topic.

Would also suggest that (2) you, the Devs, and the rest of the community just STOP DENYING THAT MACROS ARE RUINING THE GAME.

Golly, I hate feckless cheerleaders.....

@lapinnoux fair enough. For some reason I read your original post as "end crossplay"

Just re-read it there and it says optional. So either there's been a sneaky edit or I'm too tired for conversation. Optional crossplay is a more complicated argument and I'm neither for nor against it.

As far as being able to do this on a controller. You can. There are multiple ways, some more nefarious than others but I'm not going to go into the details here. On a basic level it involves pressing buttons really fast and no-scoping. There are also controllers that you can get that have these sorts of features built in (as there have been for consoles since at least the 1980s)

I know it's easier to pretend that you have some sort of moral high ground but nothing ever get fixed until you acknowledge the problems on your own side (xbox players) as well as point out the issues with the other side (PC players)

While I get what you're saying it's more a case of fix the dual gunning then it is a case of macos.

While macros can help achieve a perfect double shot it doesn't subtract from the fact that equipping 2 guns can make a combat lopsided and people are forced to go with the meta or die before you can say banana.

I grew up playing Warhammer and this type of play brings up a term in me we used for people like this who double gun: Beardy
Being Beardy says you'll do anything to win and will just make combinations that might give you a victory but is incredibly exploitative, using the rules in a way they were not meant to be used.

It's not so much the fact that people CAN do it it's that since it was popularised by Sunmit a lot more people do it and it's for a lack of a better word, beardy.

@sort-out-xplay see above

I think this summit guy that everyone keeps talking about should have his account banned.
It's one thing to find an exploit and report it but to share it with the whole community and brag about it surely goes against Rares ethos?

@drayman86 I agree with others that the issue doesn't require a macro (though some are definitely using one). I usually run sword/pistol (occasionally sword/sniper), and only double gun when attacking the Kraken. But, I've illustrated the technique on my stream and I can use my mouse scroll wheel to quickly switch and fire at the beginning of the animation. The ability to fire before the swap animation is complete is the problem - in addition to the accuracy of the sniper fired from the hip. It should fire like one of the shots from a blunderbus... randomly in toward the general direction of the target, but not accurate. They also, in my opinion, need to slow down the reload speed of the sniper... right now it's almost indistinguishable from the reload speed of the pistol.

I understand the frustration from the OP, but I disagree that on the stance of not playing until it is fixed. Using a macro to complete a fire/switch weapon/fire in a few milliseconds is definitely an issue, and one that Rare wants to resolve. However, as many here have made solid observations on the number of (new) people using two guns has increased due to popularity of a certain streamer. While this can be frustrating, it is not a game breaker for me as most are not exploiting the system that allows them to take 2 shots simultaneously. Because they are using 2 guns, I still have a chance to make them miss by staying mobile, and then abusing them while they try to reload. I have also found that most of these new players are not very good at sailing their boats and therefore, are not terribly difficult to outmaneuver and sink.