This thread just blew my mind lol!
It’s a complaint thread asking people to stop complaining? Either that or I’m missing the point.
But all I can say is this is a public forum, people are going to have differing opinions and requests, want and complaints it’s to be expected.
But trying to shut down people’s requests because you believe your opinion of what the game should be trumps there’s is just strange to me.
@nofears-fun I totally agree with you, and I apologize if I offended anyone. I believe that if I did, it was in response, but it does not justify it in any way.
What bothers me is just coming here and creating a dozen topics asking for the same thing. They could research before and read the discussion in the topics, maybe even change their minds, or change the idea of somebody else who is against. There is no problem changing your mind.
My problem is not with the creation of PvE servers, but that I see no use for something like this, considering that the initial proposal is not like this. As we discussed before, I really think it's cool to have a separate story mode, and this could solve a lot of problems, but I do not think things should change in "Adventure Mode".
My "problem" with crossplay was just like I mentioned before, I do not believe the game has a need for it, not now. In 10 hours playing, for example, I think we spend less than 30 minutes on PvP. Of these 30 minutes, the chance to find a PC player or even a player using the Double Gun Style is very small.
I've been in favor of a separate server and crossplay. How did I change my mind? I researched the game, learned to play and understood its mechanics. After that I noticed that the only problem here was not the game, but the way I saw things. So much so that I still need changes to the Alliances system and some form of kicking a crew player.
@knifelife I explained before what I meant. English is not my native language, so maybe I'm expressing myself wrong. I tried to make a topic explaining reasons to search before making requests that are not necessary.
@niqsun I mentioned several reasons in the post and comments so we do not need private servers. Read it, then give me feedback. You may think you need it, maybe even need it, but it's not something the rest of the community needs, there are better solutions that can please both sides.
Its actually disheartening that a reasonable person that is explaining his points in every post is only heard despite listened. This is a public forum, yeah, and there are a lot of different opinions, but whenever someone's yelling their opinions without propper logic their opinions shouldn't be heared (only after looking for the ad logicam argument).
From my point of view, the op is only saying some of the reasons more of the requested features shouln't be in game with some of the good points against them, while other people only uses the "I want it, shut up" thing or worse ones. IMO one thing is asking for features like fishing or a balance of the double shoot, and other asking for changes of the core idea of what we bought.
But like allways, some people wants, wants and wants everything despite only one thing, to improve themselves and learn what they could do for themselves to improve their situation. And here is where daddy Rare get the requests. I really hope Rare do something to please these kind of people (really), but I hope with all my soul that not in a similar way they propose or this game is going to turn right into a whirlpool...
@amancebacabras disse em (Please) Stop begging unnecessary game changes:
Its actually disheartening that a reasonable person that is explaining his points in every post is only heard despite listened. This is a public forum, yeah, and there are a lot of different opinions, but whenever someone's yelling their opinions without propper logic their opinions shouldn't be heared (only after looking for the ad logicam argument).
From my point of view, the op is only saying some of the reasons more of the requested features shouln't be in game with some of the good points against them, while other people only uses the "I want it, shut up" thing or worse ones. IMO one thing is asking for features like fishing or a balance of the double shoot, and other asking for changes of the core idea of what we bought.
But like allways, some people wants, wants and wants everything despite only one thing, to improve themselves and learn what they could do for themselves to improve their situation. And here is where daddy Rare get the requests. I really hope Rare do something to please these kind of people (really), but I hope with all my soul that not in a similar way they propose or this game is going to turn right into a whirlpool...
I'll quote you because I finally got someone who came up who could explain EXACTLY what I meant, maybe with the post twice people will read. You deserve my vote, I would vote 1000 times if it were possible, thank you!
@targasbr dijo en (Please) Stop begging unnecessary game changes:
Edited: Added I hate Pirate Legends! They will not let me play! They're just attacking me! topic.
Answering about that, I'm PL months ago, usually defensive (despite when we need a fast restock when we assault ships, steal the supplies and leave without sink or steal anything), and with one notable exception two weeks ago of a bringantine that took me half an hour to evade (in the mist, was a very funny "Master and Commander" moment with the rowboat) when we saw we couln't fight back them without risking our 50k haull, every single ship that attack my crew since summer is obliterated (and I know we're very good at sailing but not in toe to toe combat), plus, usually they have stock sails, hull, or both, so I bet the more agressive pirates out there are, preciselly, new players. That, or our crew is going to rock hard in the arena, I'm fine with both...
@amancebacabras You quoted a pretty cool point here, I had forgotten this one. Since the launch of Shrouded Spoils, most of the players I encountered were peaceful or defensive, as it is more difficult to store resources because of constant attacks. If some PvP rolls, it's usually being in the Forts. I see a lot of people complaining now, but I bet they would not last half an hour when there were no alliances. If I find you in the arena and we play against each other, I'll be happy to play against someone who understands this game, regardless of winning or losing.
@targasbr first and to make sure I am clear. I was not singling you out. I saw some back and forth and felt it was getting borderline bad if not slightly past bad. So I said something hoping to return your thread to civility. It was meant for everyone involved.
I Will agree with you that people need to search the threads a bit more. Though do remember that any thread over 30 days old (I think that is the number of days) is supposed to be archived and left for reference only. Resurrecting those older threads are against forum rules. But I think most of the subjects you mention most likely have far too many newer threads. Consolidating them or adding to an existing thread is preferable than making yet another new one on old subjects.
Sadly the moderators/deckhands/boatswains are overworked and for sure under paid. So they don’t have the time to help with consolidation.
I raise a grog to you matey and am sure we will bump into each other in these forums.
And last, I am going to agree to disagree on the PVE server thing. But that is ok. As I said, I agree with most of the rest of your list and would even entertain some alternatives like the one you shared as they would probably accomplish the same thing in the end.
The argument that SoT is an online game, so a private server/session is out of the question, is ludicrous to the extreme...
GTAV is an online game (a pretty successful and long-running one at that), and guess which mode it offers?
I'll bet you can't guess...
The push-back (by a certain group of players) against the very idea of a private session/server is mind-boggling.
It will not hurt you. It will not hurt the game.
If anything, it will expand the game's potential playerbase (which, in case you didn't realize, means more money for the developers and expanded development of the game itself).
As amazing as it may sound, some people simply do not want to babysit bored/hyperaggressive teenagers while trying to play a pirate game that, believe it or not, is actually fun when other players aren't around to ruin it.
Yes, there are people who enjoy SoT without PvP (I'm sure that that concept is completely foreign to you), and they should be able to play it without being forced to act as a practice dummy for those who are apparently unable to play PvE without lapsing into a comatose state.
I keep reading comments that say (comments from the same people, over and over again, because they can't grasp the concept previously mentioned) "go play a different game!"
Well, here's a thought: if you think this game is horrible without PvP, then why don't you go play Fortnite or PUBG?
As it is, PvPers are being catered to enough by having a whole game mode dedicated to them (Arena), so why shouldn't PvEers be treated equally (they paid for the game as well, you know...) and given the same kind of service? After all, they're only asking for the same type of thing PvPers are currently being given; their own mode, to play their own way.
@nofears-fun Yes, the moderators/deckhands/boatswains are overworked, maybe more people to help could do the job well. But, the community can help too.
@targasbr said in (Please) Stop begging unnecessary game changes:
@nofears-fun Yes, the moderators/deckhands/boatswains are overworked, maybe more people to help could do the job well. But, the community can help too.
The Community can become Boatswains! We don't actually have a job role on the forum, we were simply given the badge to show that we try our best to be as helpful as we can be on the forum!
You're absolutely right though that with the volume of traffic daily it is a tough job for @Deckhands and @Quartermasters especially, who all have full-time IRL jobs to hold down as well!
I can't commend them enough for the graft they put in daily for very little reward other than the gratitude of a few! :D
@jack-flintlock disse em (Please) Stop begging unnecessary game changes:
The argument that SoT is an online game, so a private server/session is out of the question, is ludicrous to the extreme...
GTAV is an online game (a pretty successful and long-running one at that), and guess which mode it offers?
No. GTAV is a game with Story and Online mode (separated).
I'll bet you can't guess...
The push-back (by a certain group of players) against the very idea of a private session/server is mind-boggling.
It will not hurt you. It will not hurt the game.
No, it will not. But who ask for private servers don't think before ask. We can have many better solutions to solve this. A separated Story Mode could help, the Arena Mode could help. I am in favor of private servers if they are SEPARATED from the current mode. Is it fair that some have to kill each other to win gold and others to have an easier time in an online game? I see this as something similar to who uses hacks/macros. The proposal of the game is to be an online PvPvE, Rare also always makes clear its position on balancing the game making the new players have the same chances. Most requests for private servers came from people who were attacked by other players, but attacking is not wrong, it's part of the game. A tutorial mode to help players could solve this too.
If anything, it will expand the game's potential playerbase (which, in case you didn't realize, means more money for the developers and expanded development of the game itself).
As amazing as it may sound, some people simply do not want to babysit bored/hyperaggressive teenagers while trying to play a pirate game that, believe it or not, is actually fun when other players aren't around to ruin it.
Yes, there are people who enjoy SoT without PvP (I'm sure that that concept is completely foreign to you), and they should be able to play it without being forced to act as a practice dummy for those who are apparently unable to play PvE without lapsing into a comatose state.
I keep reading comments that say (comments from the same people, over and over again, because they can't grasp the concept previously mentioned) "go play a different game!"Well, here's a thought: if you think this game is horrible without PvP, then why don't you go play Fortnite or PUBG?
I'm not a PvP only gamer, I enjoy PvE as much PvP. What I do when I don't want a fight? I go away. I leave the game, I go play another game. But the point here is not this. Whoever plays PUBG or Fortnite knows the type of game that it is. The Battleroyale mode is clearly 1x100 (with some small changes). It does not make sense to go into the community of both games by asking for private servers where you call your friends and win the game items. If it's separate, okay! Many of those that appear here asking for separate servers are people who want to earn their gold without interference from other players. And they ask for this because they do not understand how the game works, they ask for it because they can not go against other players because of lack of skill. Like I said before, In 10 hours playing, for example, I think we spend less than 30 minutes on PvP. We do not need private servers because of so little interference from other players, we do not need to because it's simple to run away or fight back.
As it is, PvPers are being catered to enough by having a whole game mode dedicated to them (Arena), so why shouldn't PvEers be treated equally (they paid for the game as well, you know...) and given the same kind of service? After all, they're only asking for the same type of thing PvPers are currently being given; their own mode, to play their own way.
But arena mode is a fair way, people struggle for gold, the difficulty of playing is the same for everyone. A separate PvE mode would not be fair, it would be easier for some to win gold.
Like I said before, a story mode would be cool, something like GTAV or RDR2, but definitely separated from online modes.
Totally agree with the OP. All of you, stop making suggestions on this suggestion and feedback forum. Particularly any that might infringe upon my right to be as pirate as I wanna be. It is a pirate game after all! Pirates weren't nice people! they were Thieves and Murderers, Merciless Plunderers! This isn't Sea of Friends!!!
THIS IS SPAR... errr... Uh. Sea of THEIVES!!
Anyone who doesn't like that I value getting my rocks off to ruining other peoples fun needs to either git gud like I am or find something else to play because my enjoyment is more important than all of yours, because if you're not on my skill level you havent earned thru dedication and talent the right to enjoy the game!
Stop Begging for the game to be anyway other than how I like it!
@HeroicEgg815457 I understood your sarcasm, but he is quite wrong about what this post means. Read the comments, not only the post, the discussion went well beyond. I think you're not going to read, so I'm going to quote a sentence that explains exactly about this post and its comments.
@amancebacabras disse em (Please) Stop begging unnecessary game changes:
...the op is only saying some of the reasons more of the requested features shouln't be in game with some of the good points against them, while other people only uses the "I want it, shut up" thing or worse ones. IMO one thing is asking for features like fishing or a balance of the double shoot, and other asking for changes of the core idea of what we bought.
@targasbr said in (Please) Stop begging unnecessary game changes:
"No. GTAV is a game with Story and Online mode (separated)."
As the above was the first response you posted to my comment, I see no need to address the others, because it will clearly be a waste of time and effort on my part.
Are you serious? Have you ever played GTA V? Their ONLINE MODE offers a PRIVATE SESSION option... just, WOW.
@ jack-flintlock If I'm not mistaken, private servers are not native to GTAV. If they are not, I doubt that the ability to make money is along with that of the online mode. But anyway the point is not this, the point here is the need for private servers. I'll repeat it again: There are other better ways to create something that can please both sides without removing the proposal that was sold in the game.
If you think it is a waste of time to discuss a subject, okay, but first understand, there are no issues that are not discussed, but people we should avoid discussing. If you want a healthy debate in order to show me that I am wrong, no problem! But being angry because I disagree with you does not make the slightest sense.
@targasbr said in (Please) Stop begging unnecessary game changes:
@niqsun I mentioned several reasons in the post and comments so we do not need private servers. Read it, then give me feedback. You may think you need it, maybe even need it, but it's not something the rest of the community needs, there are better solutions that can please both sides.
Judging by the amount of people asking for private servers, you can't really say that "but it's not something the rest of the community needs".
Personally I support the private server idea. Noone should be forced to play with me if they don't want to. In an online game, I also support the idea that friends should be able to play together. Even if there's more than 4 people. And a parent should be able to play with their kids without someone insulting/cursing at them in inappropriate manner.
Also I feel people have a very biased opinion against the private servers, as they seem to think that it's all peaceful sailing. Judging by all the other private groups/servers I've been into (not in SoT of course), there's still PvP going on but with people you know. Something we've hoped to have with friends since the start. I would love to be able to hunt down my friends ship, and they would want to shoot my ship. Currently there's no reliable way to do this. :(
While I would make use of the private servers if they were implemented ingame, it wouldn't mean that I'd leave the current game mode.
I do already like the game a lot, but more options how to play is always a good addition.
Who are you to tell me to not wanting a change or give feedback on a issue I feel like needs to be changed? Crossplay On/OFf option wouldn’t effect no one. Oh well only the PC players.. PVE servers would be great for my wife and I would finally be able to play with each other bc she doesn’t have fun how the game is now.
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@doubleshotbeard Your my new favourite person on this forum just because you make me laugh.
However I will say be careful, you may be on a second account but that doesn’t mean your main one is safe.
You are not the first person to think of this and won’t be the last.
But the others where shocked when all of there accounts where banned instead of just the one they where trolling on lol.
@knifelife All I want to do is tell honest truth about why Xbox players dont deserve to play with only Xbox players.
@doubleshotbeard As that is your right.
But remember there are no truths, there’s opinions and they are subjective.
No one is necessarily right or wrong, we just have opposing views. And while at times I can come across as a heated it’s not my intent, just like I’m sure it’s not yours.
You have an opinion and you want people to see it, that’s fair enough. But remember to try and do it in a respectful way (as possible) or people won’t take it serious.
They will skip your reasons and react to your jabs which if anything hurts your views more then helps them.
But I agree I don’t think anyone platform should be allowed to isolate itself. It’s why I say optional input.
So you can play with just controllers, or M&K. Or both if you so choose :)
@triheadedmonkey Article 4 - All Crewmates Are Equal
Let each crewmate be respected as equal and free to follow their own bearing, speak openly and vote in affairs of the voyage.
This whole tread is against this rule, because OP basically asking people to not giving feedback to certain point of the game. But it's still open. How it can respect the "Free to speak openly" thing?
I'm sorry, but I respectfully disagree with OP's opinion. I feel there is definitely a place for some kind of private server or PVE mode for players who do not wish to engage in PVP.
Sometimes I don't mind PVP. Sometimes I solo and antagonize other ships so they follow me and I eventually give them the slip. It's fun! Other times, however; I enjoy playing online w/ my mom... who is not combat-savvy whatsoever. She's far more of a casual player and when we play together we actively avoid other players... because she's pretty much useless in any kind of combat.
I'm tired of the excuse that "it's a pirate game"... so you should be expect to be hassled at every opportunity. The most important part of the phrase "pirate game" is not the term pirate. It's the term GAME. A game should be fun for everyone... the moment it is no longer fun it ceases to be a game and becomes an exercise in frustration.
@targasbr said in (Please) Stop begging unnecessary game changes:
@ jack-flintlock If I'm not mistaken, private servers are not native to GTAV. If they are not, I doubt that the ability to make money is along with that of the online mode. But anyway the point is not this, the point here is the need for private servers. I'll repeat it again: There are other better ways to create something that can please both sides without removing the proposal that was sold in the game.
Whether or not the GTAV private servers were native is irrelevant. They are in there now... You can create a private solo session or a private friends/invite-only server where you can play with just your friends in the open city. It's there... right now. Go try it out! They've also got a "passive" mode in-game where if you ARE playing in a live server with other people and you don't wish to engage in any kind of combat... you can turn on this passive mode and your character becomes like a ghost and you cannot be killed by other players and you can also not do any harm to other players. It gives no one an advantage and it lets those casual players who do not wish to engage in PVP the ability to enjoy the game.
I would love to have the choice whether I want to do PVP or not... so when I'm playing solo or with another crew, I can freely engage other players if I choose... or when I'm playing w/ my mom we can go into "passive" mode and just run our quests and enjoy the game without having to worry about other players ruining our fun.
Just my two cents.
@clarionz disse em (Please) Stop begging unnecessary game changes:
Judging by the amount of people asking for private servers, you can't really say that "but it's not something the rest of the community needs".
When I say "The community" I talk about the players who understood the game proposal. Asking for something does not always mean you need something, but sometimes it means you do not understand how things work.
The point here is simple: I do not think people are against the creation of private servers or PvE, but nobody here likes to see the little friend earning more gold than you taking 10% of the difficulty. I do not understand the logic of a pirate game without pirates. Separate modes to please everyone, balanced, where one will not interfere in the other? Okay, I can accept that. Private servers for some to earn their millions of gold without any difficulty? Definitely not.
I think Arena Mode will solve a lot of this, even though Arena is supposed to be part of the game and not a separate mode.
@d3monwo1fx disse em (Please) Stop begging unnecessary game changes:
Who are you to tell me to not wanting a change or give feedback on a issue I feel like needs to be changed?
Who are you to come here to ask who I am before I understand what exactly I meant? I'm really tired of explaining this. Read the comments, all of them, please.
Crossplay On/OFf option wouldn’t effect no one.
Yes, that's exactly what i'm trying to say. If won't affect, why chance?
PVE servers would be great for my wife and I would finally be able to play with each other bc she doesn’t have fun how the game is now.
A separated game mode could solve this, PvE server is different from PvE mode. But I only agree with this as long as the gold gain is minor or nonexistent. It does not make sense for a person to spend hours in danger to earn gold and another to spend less time without worrying about dangers to earn the same amount.
@targasbr just to be clear.. I support Private server, not PvE only server. :) Atleast in my mind those two are not the same.
In my head the private mode is like the one we already have, but with people you know.
anyways, time for me to head out for the seas :D
Nothing wrong with PvE players or PvP players in one server. but they want private servers so they can PvE 100% of the time and take players from the main servers.[mod edit] that is why I take so much pleasure destroying PvE servers/players. all they do is shuttle and leave the game if they sniff ounce of PvP action and even quit athenas!!! I love rare's stance against no private servers, we have all the main streamers what are PvP focus so they will never add anything like PvE servers. the fact their bringing out arena just tells you the route they want...PVP!
it's honestly so funny listening to PvE players talk, it's embarrassing [mod edit]
I go out my way to make sure PvE players lose everything, why should we leave you alone and let you gain everything for free with a tiny bit of grind. go play another game you will never get your own way, casual players never do...we're lucky their main twitch streamers what actually drive customers to their product always in contact with RARE. [mod edit]...you always want easy life and it's [mod edit]
