A New Perspective on Griefing/Toxicity

@sharkinos your entitled to your opinion, but I can't disagree more. If I'm digging up gold and you decide to steal everything and I have to stop what I'm doing at fight you for 30+ min in a one sided battle where u risk nothing. That will never be ok.

I can pretend the other player is an AI or a part if the game. HECK I can pretend it's a naked Jennifer Aniston chasing me, its still unbalanced. Forced and not okay.

When its balanced more so be it.

@ant-heuser-kush said in A New Perspective on Griefing/Toxicity:

@dragonsire2016 said in A New Perspective on Griefing/Toxicity:

@sharkinos your entitled to your opinion, but I can't disagree more. If I'm digging up gold and you decide to steal everything and I have to stop what I'm doing at fight you for 30+ min in a one sided battle where u risk nothing. That will never be ok.

I can torrent the other player is an so or a part if the game. HECK I can pretend it's a naked Jennifer Aniston chasing me, its still unbalanced. Forced and not okay.

When its balanced more so be it.

The game is balanced, the player choice is not, it's freedom. That chest you just spent time digging up isn't yours until you turn it in.

That's what makes SoT so great. I don't have to attack you and take your treasure but I can if I chose to.

Your free to attack players risk nothing, and that's balance? Lol

The game is balanced in opportunity but not in practice because there is no skill ranking system or matchmaking. You're going to run in to people better than you and crush others. Occasionally things will end in a draw and everyone goes their own way.

Like any game, the more you play the better you get within your own skill ranking, ie there are limits. This game can be about meeting challenges and overcoming them or failing and learning from those failures. You will win and lose many times and it's how you deal with it that makes you a good gamer.

@ant-heuser-kush said in A New Perspective on Griefing/Toxicity:

@dragonsire2016 I made a post/reply about risk vs reward.

It is balanced. I lose nothing, you lose nothing, it's not yours and it's not mine. Just because you spent 8 hours on a riddle it doesn't you get to turn it in and keep it.

The more loot you have on your ship, the higher the risk you take you. The more loot you have, the higher the reward you receive.

If I choose to pursue a ship, that is a risk. They may have nothing. What do I lose as the aggressor? My time. Is my time wasted as valuable as your time spent looking? That is subjective. However, we are both free to be the aggressor and only have our time wasted. It's pretty balanced if you play both the cat and the mouse.

When you decide to attack from that moment on is all that counts. What you did before that is on you. I risk looking what I have earned. The gold I spent to go earn it. My time fighting you etc.

You claim its no one's until sold..i would argue possession makes it mine. Most laws agree.

@ant-heuser-kush said in A New Perspective on Griefing/Toxicity:

@dragonsire2016 said in A New Perspective on Griefing/Toxicity:

@ant-heuser-kush said in A New Perspective on Griefing/Toxicity:

@dragonsire2016 I made a post/reply about risk vs reward.

It is balanced. I lose nothing, you lose nothing, it's not yours and it's not mine. Just because you spent 8 hours on a riddle it doesn't you get to turn it in and keep it.

The more loot you have on your ship, the higher the risk you take you. The more loot you have, the higher the reward you receive.

If I choose to pursue a ship, that is a risk. They may have nothing. What do I lose as the aggressor? My time. Is my time wasted as valuable as your time spent looking? That is subjective. However, we are both free to be the aggressor and only have our time wasted. It's pretty balanced if you play both the cat and the mouse.

When you decide to attack from that moment on is all that counts. What you did before that is on you. I risk looking what I have earned. The gold I spent to go earn it. My time fighting you etc.

You claim its no one's until sold..i would argue possession makes it mine. Most laws agree.

The loot is deferred, that's not my opinion, it's how Rare designed the game. You can argue all you want but loot isn't yours until it's actually cashed in and you get the gold and rep for it.

It is mine. I just have been rewarded for it. We will have agree to not agree because I'm not arguing word play.

I don't attack ships but I can if I choose to. That is what makes Sea of Thieves, Sea of Thieves.

To bad so many people treat it as sea of psychotic murderers.

@flippin-loud said in A New Perspective on Griefing/Toxicity:

@dragonsire2016 said in A New Perspective on Griefing/Toxicity:

@ant-heuser-kush said in A New Perspective on Griefing/Toxicity:

@dragonsire2016 I made a post/reply about risk vs reward.

It is balanced. I lose nothing, you lose nothing, it's not yours and it's not mine. Just because you spent 8 hours on a riddle it doesn't you get to turn it in and keep it.

The more loot you have on your ship, the higher the risk you take you. The more loot you have, the higher the reward you receive.

If I choose to pursue a ship, that is a risk. They may have nothing. What do I lose as the aggressor? My time. Is my time wasted as valuable as your time spent looking? That is subjective. However, we are both free to be the aggressor and only have our time wasted. It's pretty balanced if you play both the cat and the mouse.

When you decide to attack from that moment on is all that counts. What you did before that is on you. I risk looking what I have earned. The gold I spent to go earn it. My time fighting you etc.

You claim its no one's until sold..i would argue possession makes it mine. Most laws agree.

Aint no laws on the sea. For real, in international water u can basically do anything. And sorry but the time and effort u put in digging up ur seafarers chests it probably takes just as much time/effort to hunt u down (especially if u run) and eventually sink u, if anything it maybe takes more time for the attacker than someone reading a map.

Attacker chose to waste his time and mine. He still risks nothing.

I have playing this game since it came out and I can honestly say I have NEVER been griefed or trolled from other players...

The ONLY grieving or trolling Inhave ever experiences was from my own crew mates.

For example my own crew mate Powder kegg’n Us cause he’s bored or about to log. Or a random joining just to toss treasure or drop anchor.

That’s easily solved when you bring them but the damage is already done.

Get rid of brigs and insert walk the plank crew kicks!

@ant-heuser-kush said in A New Perspective on Griefing/Toxicity:

@dragonsire2016 said in A New Perspective on Griefing/Toxicity:

@ant-heuser-kush said in A New Perspective on Griefing/Toxicity:

@dragonsire2016 said in A New Perspective on Griefing/Toxicity:

@ant-heuser-kush said in A New Perspective on Griefing/Toxicity:

@dragonsire2016 I made a post/reply about risk vs reward.

It is balanced. I lose nothing, you lose nothing, it's not yours and it's not mine. Just because you spent 8 hours on a riddle it doesn't you get to turn it in and keep it.

The more loot you have on your ship, the higher the risk you take you. The more loot you have, the higher the reward you receive.

If I choose to pursue a ship, that is a risk. They may have nothing. What do I lose as the aggressor? My time. Is my time wasted as valuable as your time spent looking? That is subjective. However, we are both free to be the aggressor and only have our time wasted. It's pretty balanced if you play both the cat and the mouse.

When you decide to attack from that moment on is all that counts. What you did before that is on you. I risk looking what I have earned. The gold I spent to go earn it. My time fighting you etc.

You claim its no one's until sold..i would argue possession makes it mine. Most laws agree.

The loot is deferred, that's not my opinion, it's how Rare designed the game. You can argue all you want but loot isn't yours until it's actually cashed in and you get the gold and rep for it.

It is mine. I just have been rewarded for it. We will have agree to not agree because I'm not arguing word play.

I don't attack ships but I can if I choose to. That is what makes Sea of Thieves, Sea of Thieves.

To bad so many people treat it as sea of psychotic murderers.

Look, if the loot was yours, or mine, we would get XP as soon as it was dug up, killed, or caught, we don't. We only get XP for completed voyages, voyages purchased, or the number of items turned in. Turned in, not carried on our vessel.

If you think it's yours just because it's on your vessel, then you have no idea about the mechanics in SoT and we will no longer continue this because you're uninformed.

Do your research.

It's an interesting contrast. On one hand, what we're saying is that we want to be the most welcoming and inclusive multiplayer game ever – on the other hand, we're giving you this rich immersive world where you can step in and roleplay "pirates" with your friends. We've made decisions where all quest rewards are physical, and all of that stuff is never truly yours until you get back to the outpost. We believe in the paranoia of having that stuff on the ship because you know that someone can come and take it.

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gee thanks never read that before. You arguing game mechanics. I'm arguing basic human logic. That the same excuse people use for any bad action, game allows it so its okay.

Lets see in the long run. What's better for the game. Welcoming and inclusive or aggressive bored PvP players that sink everything in sight and hide behind. I'm pirate.

@flippin-loud said in A New Perspective on Griefing/Toxicity:

@dragonsire2016 said in A New Perspective on Griefing/Toxicity:

@flippin-loud said in A New Perspective on Griefing/Toxicity:

@dragonsire2016 said in A New Perspective on Griefing/Toxicity:

@ant-heuser-kush said in A New Perspective on Griefing/Toxicity:

@dragonsire2016 I made a post/reply about risk vs reward.

It is balanced. I lose nothing, you lose nothing, it's not yours and it's not mine. Just because you spent 8 hours on a riddle it doesn't you get to turn it in and keep it.

The more loot you have on your ship, the higher the risk you take you. The more loot you have, the higher the reward you receive.

If I choose to pursue a ship, that is a risk. They may have nothing. What do I lose as the aggressor? My time. Is my time wasted as valuable as your time spent looking? That is subjective. However, we are both free to be the aggressor and only have our time wasted. It's pretty balanced if you play both the cat and the mouse.

When you decide to attack from that moment on is all that counts. What you did before that is on you. I risk looking what I have earned. The gold I spent to go earn it. My time fighting you etc.

You claim its no one's until sold..i would argue possession makes it mine. Most laws agree.

Aint no laws on the sea. For real, in international water u can basically do anything. And sorry but the time and effort u put in digging up ur seafarers chests it probably takes just as much time/effort to hunt u down (especially if u run) and eventually sink u, if anything it maybe takes more time for the attacker than someone reading a map.

Attacker chose to waste his time and mine. He still risks nothing.

He risks wasting his time for no reward depending IF the person he is attacking was holding anything, he also risks being sunk and losing any treasure from other attacks, or stockpiled resources he may have aquired. Never assume the attacker has nothing to lose, ive been attacked and after their ship was gone several sellable items have risen to the surface (on well more than one occasion, and sometimes with a real nice amount of loot, for instance once we were attacked and this crew must have just finished a skull fort and thought we were sleeping cuz we got fort chest/skull and a bunch of other goodies)

most attackers do not. And if u do that's your choice. So majority of time you only risk time.

@ant-heuser-kush said in A New Perspective on Griefing/Toxicity:

@dragonsire2016 said in A New Perspective on Griefing/Toxicity:

@ant-heuser-kush said in A New Perspective on Griefing/Toxicity:

@dragonsire2016 said in A New Perspective on Griefing/Toxicity:

@ant-heuser-kush said in A New Perspective on Griefing/Toxicity:

@dragonsire2016 said in A New Perspective on Griefing/Toxicity:

@ant-heuser-kush said in A New Perspective on Griefing/Toxicity:

@dragonsire2016 I made a post/reply about risk vs reward.

It is balanced. I lose nothing, you lose nothing, it's not yours and it's not mine. Just because you spent 8 hours on a riddle it doesn't you get to turn it in and keep it.

The more loot you have on your ship, the higher the risk you take you. The more loot you have, the higher the reward you receive.

If I choose to pursue a ship, that is a risk. They may have nothing. What do I lose as the aggressor? My time. Is my time wasted as valuable as your time spent looking? That is subjective. However, we are both free to be the aggressor and only have our time wasted. It's pretty balanced if you play both the cat and the mouse.

When you decide to attack from that moment on is all that counts. What you did before that is on you. I risk looking what I have earned. The gold I spent to go earn it. My time fighting you etc.

You claim its no one's until sold..i would argue possession makes it mine. Most laws agree.

The loot is deferred, that's not my opinion, it's how Rare designed the game. You can argue all you want but loot isn't yours until it's actually cashed in and you get the gold and rep for it.

It is mine. I just have been rewarded for it. We will have agree to not agree because I'm not arguing word play.

I don't attack ships but I can if I choose to. That is what makes Sea of Thieves, Sea of Thieves.

To bad so many people treat it as sea of psychotic murderers.

Look, if the loot was yours, or mine, we would get XP as soon as it was dug up, killed, or caught, we don't. We only get XP for completed voyages, voyages purchased, or the number of items turned in. Turned in, not carried on our vessel.

If you think it's yours just because it's on your vessel, then you have no idea about the mechanics in SoT and we will no longer continue this because you're uninformed.

Do your research.

It's an interesting contrast. On one hand, what we're saying is that we want to be the most welcoming and inclusive multiplayer game ever – on the other hand, we're giving you this rich immersive world where you can step in and roleplay "pirates" with your friends. We've made decisions where all quest rewards are physical, and all of that stuff is never truly yours until you get back to the outpost. We believe in the paranoia of having that stuff on the ship because you know that someone can come and take it.

Source

gee thanks never read that before. You arguing game mechanics. I'm arguing basic human logic. That the same excuse people use for any bad action, game allows it so its okay.

Lets see in the long run. What's better for the game. Welcoming and inclusive or aggressive bored PvP players that sink everything in sight and hide behind. I'm pirate.

You're arguing the loot is yours because of laws. It isn't.

Sea of Thieves is about players choice. Always was and always will be.

The players who use the "It's a pirate game" line as an excuse for bad behavior are in the minority. People who understand the dynamic of SoT do not think like that. We also understand the loot isn't ours until it's cashed in. I guess both cases of players are bad for the game in the long run.

Be the pirate you want to be.

#BeMorePirate

Happy sailing.

No I'm saying the loot is mine the reward is not. Difference is I know what kind of player I want to be. And its not someone who gains from other people effort and loss. You play your way. I will certainly play mine.

@flippin-loud said in A New Perspective on Griefing/Toxicity:

@dragonsire2016 this coming from someone with 47 chests cashed in. With the amount u play have u even had time to be attacked?

oh sorry job?...life? summer? my bad.

@flippin-loud said in A New Perspective on Griefing/Toxicity:

@dragonsire2016 said in A New Perspective on Griefing/Toxicity:

@flippin-loud said in A New Perspective on Griefing/Toxicity:

@dragonsire2016 this coming from someone with 47 chests cashed in. With the amount u play have u even had time to be attacked?

oh sorry job?...life? summer? my bad.

Job/life/summer/kid, still have time to play a game

congrats...I play casual...few hours a week...certainly wont apologize for that. clearly im not as emotionally invested in gaming as you are.

@flippin-loud said in A New Perspective on Griefing/Toxicity:

@dragonsire2016 u didnt even respond to half my message

because you edited it after I replied...or as I was lol

@flippin-loud said in A New Perspective on Griefing/Toxicity:

@dragonsire2016 said in A New Perspective on Griefing/Toxicity:

@flippin-loud said in A New Perspective on Griefing/Toxicity:

@dragonsire2016 said in A New Perspective on Griefing/Toxicity:

@flippin-loud said in A New Perspective on Griefing/Toxicity:

@dragonsire2016 this coming from someone with 47 chests cashed in. With the amount u play have u even had time to be attacked?

oh sorry job?...life? summer? my bad.

Job/life/summer/kid, still have time to play a game

congrats...I play casual...few hours a week...certainly wont apologize for that. clearly im not as emotionally invested in gaming as you are.

No ones emotionally invested, just hate when people who havent had time to properly evaluate a situation comment on it like they know everything

I have played enough to get a feel for what I like and don't...you don't have to listen to my opinion that matches others with way more time invested than I do...guess they are wrong as well.

@flippin-loud said in A New Perspective on Griefing/Toxicity:

@dragonsire2016 said in A New Perspective on Griefing/Toxicity:

@flippin-loud said in A New Perspective on Griefing/Toxicity:

@dragonsire2016 said in A New Perspective on Griefing/Toxicity:

@flippin-loud said in A New Perspective on Griefing/Toxicity:

@dragonsire2016 said in A New Perspective on Griefing/Toxicity:

@flippin-loud said in A New Perspective on Griefing/Toxicity:

@dragonsire2016 this coming from someone with 47 chests cashed in. With the amount u play have u even had time to be attacked?

oh sorry job?...life? summer? my bad.

Job/life/summer/kid, still have time to play a game

congrats...I play casual...few hours a week...certainly wont apologize for that. clearly im not as emotionally invested in gaming as you are.

No ones emotionally invested, just hate when people who havent had time to properly evaluate a situation comment on it like they know everything

I have played enough to get a feel for what I like and don't...you don't have to listen to my opinion that matches others with way more time invested than I do...guess they are wrong as well.

Check their in game stats most people have little to no game time. Yet theyre on the forums constantly saying what this game should be. For real, half the people on here havent even played this since the free game pass trial ended

Maybe because they had bad experiences, maybe not. But do you know for certain? No. Yes every PVE player just making stuff up to get rid of PVP. I like pvp, if it's done properly and balanced. I don't feel this games PVP is. when it is great. When there are zones for PVP or other I will take part. but the core is broken. admit it or not.

@personalc0ffee said in A New Perspective on Griefing/Toxicity:

@dragonsire2016 That loot is not yours, until you turn it in. Risk is the name of this game.

If you don't want to PvP, than evade or leave the server.

Risk for the attacker is zero...when you have a suggestion to fix that great..otherwise expect people to keep coming to the game feeling the same as I and many others do, and you can keep telling them they are wrong as the game dies.

@flippin-loud said in A New Perspective on Griefing/Toxicity:

@PersonalC0ffee has 1500+ chests turned in... but he def has no idea what hes talking about 😂😂

good grief...so what? His opinion is ....his opinion. He's entitled to it. I'm entitled to mine...you yours. You think the answer is to get out the measuring stick? lol

As I said... we'll see what happens.

@dragonsire2016 said in A New Perspective on Griefing/Toxicity:

@personalc0ffee said in A New Perspective on Griefing/Toxicity:

@dragonsire2016 That loot is not yours, until you turn it in. Risk is the name of this game.

If you don't want to PvP, than evade or leave the server.

Risk for the attacker is zero...when you have a suggestion to fix that great..otherwise expect people to keep coming to the game feeling the same as I and many others do, and you can keep telling them they are wrong as the game dies.

Risk for the attacker is not getting your stuff. Time spend X 0 loot = no gold/rep.

Also the attacker creates the tension this game needs to work. Without it you would do endless, never interrupted fetching. Who would want that?