@flying-poopla said in The rank of Pirate Legend is not deserving of its name:

If everyone is a legend then nobody is.

It's not quite that bad. Even though becoming a Pirate Legend requires nothing but time, most players won't have that time. In any online game, only a minority of players reach the endgame. If there is ever a time when most pirates are Legends, then it will be years from now when there is some other endgame and ranks 50 marks just the first major hurdle.

But your basic point is true. Pirate Legend status doesn't seem very legendary at this point.

@betsill said in The rank of Pirate Legend is not deserving of its name:

@itsporkchopfu Good progression in games forces you to get out of your comfort zone and do harder activities. That's why alot of games use the lvling mechanic of increasing the exp required for each lvl. Grinding low lvl enemies becomes useless as you get higher in lvl and the game essentially says "stop being lazy and go pick on someone your own size... or better yet! fight something stronger than you and get rewarded heavily if you manage to overcome the challenge". Rare instead uses it's lvling mechanic as a nothing but a speed bump to slow players down(despite PL rank being pretty much worthless); Which is horrible game design. You do the exact same things at lvl 1 as you do at lvl 49, you just get more voyages at a time and now they made it have better reward chances.

Exactly! Although Rare made higher level voyages, such as more vague riddles and more skeletons with higher health pools, no increase in skill or change in strategy is required and the content is certainly not interesting, dynamic or varied.

Unlocking new voyage types, areas or enemies at higher levels would be a big step in the right direction.

@betsill said in The rank of Pirate Legend is not deserving of its name:

@dyornos except Op's point is despite your achievement, the game-world doesn't care. If you had simply showed up to the fort and shot skeletons with the cannons while a friend runs in circles kiting the dumb AF ai, you would have been rewarded/recognized exactly the same. In fact you are punished for doing adventurous, interesting and/or difficult things. How much longer did it take you to fight all those ships? PL is nothing but "how much loot did you turn in". Doing things that are difficult, like say, only taking loot from other players is severely penalized by the games "progression system". Mindlessly grinding by doing no more than is absolutely necessary is what this game rewards most. The only reason it's not as big a deal as the "goal" is because PL is worthless.

In terms of ingame items yes its a waste of time. But the experience is something I wouldn't trade in for anything else in the game. I don't care the world knows, I just care that those are the story's I experience, and the story's I get to tell to others.

It's not always a case of ''how do I get the most gold in the least amount of time'', it's more a case of how do you experience the best session there is. If thats farming gold, sure go ahead. But for me it's doing things I want to do and make my own epic journeys.

@flying-poopla said in The rank of Pirate Legend is not deserving of its name:

@xcalypt0x I'm not even really advocating for PvP requirements at this point to reach PL. I do wish they would add stuff that does recognize skill to augment those titles. PL is essentially the new "Sailor" title. Everyone will have it and its meaning will be less impactful. Being able to augment the title to shape your narrative wouldn't preclude people from PL, but it would develop distinction between those with certain skills and those without.

My bad, I thought you wanted PvP requirements to reach PL.

@xcalypt0x I'm not even really advocating for PvP requirements at this point to reach PL. I do wish they would add stuff that does recognize skill to augment those titles. PL is essentially the new "Sailor" title. Everyone will have it and its meaning will be less impactful. Being able to augment the title to shape your narrative wouldn't preclude people from PL, but it would develop distinction between those with certain skills and those without.

@xcalypt0x Only for certain titles. Not everyone who is PL would want to be a "Barbaric Pirate Legend." Like I mentioned, you could have ones where you defend others on the sea as well, which would actually be good for community building. Rare is so set on this "make your own story" narrative and this would actually give players a simple tool to actually shape their characters story for others to take in. Imagine being on the seas and having a "Barbaric PL" coming at you. That is scary enough as you know they can hold their own in battle and will relentlessly come after you. Then a "Guardian PL" or something to that effect comes to your rescue. It does nothing to change the current dynamic of PvP, while injecting a bit of story into the encounter. People who are going to kill are going to kill, no matter the title they have or prospect of a title.

@the-portalstorm Lol what is your problem dude. Asking for objectives in the game that distinguish people is hardly asking for something crazy. The fact of the matter is that Rare did not think their game implementation through very well. It is glaringly obvious. Asking for more distinction between ranks is not asking for more content. I'm not asking for new areas. I'm not asking for new cosmetics even. I'm asking that they do something to actually make a title worth having. If everyone is a legend then nobody is. It is the equivalent of a participation trophy at this point. Just because you are too weak to recognize that a game has flaws and want to b********e doesn't mean that you are anywhere near close to being right. Rare has also demonstrated an amazing penchant to screw up even simple things in their software development. I'm sorry, but their team does not seem to be up to snuff considering they release ridiculous bugs into their game almost every patch.

@itsporkchopfu Good progression in games forces you to get out of your comfort zone and do harder activities. That's why alot of games use the lvling mechanic of increasing the exp required for each lvl. Grinding low lvl enemies becomes useless as you get higher in lvl and the game essentially says "stop being lazy and go pick on someone your own size... or better yet! fight something stronger than you and get rewarded heavily if you manage to overcome the challenge". Rare instead uses it's lvling mechanic as a nothing but a speed bump to slow players down(despite PL rank being pretty much worthless); Which is horrible game design. You do the exact same things at lvl 1 as you do at lvl 49, you just get more voyages at a time and now they made it have better reward chances.

@jatfant should've just got the preorder black dog suit, we sleep on legends ships all the time just to steal their fort loot :D

i agree. especially when Athena are for legends but everyone is doing them instead of the grind to pl. it just makes my grind time worthless along with my lvl 10 Athena.

I like the idea of Pirate Legends entering a new phase of progression that shapes their "legends" into particular claims. It could basically use the Commendation system already in effect to unlock new titles.

Then perhaps those titles could be tied to cosmetic options. So only someone who has eaten, gathered, and sold so many bananas can buy the legendary Banana Bandana. And the Banana Bandana can only be worn with the corresponding title. So a Pirate Legend could change focus to a different legendary Commendation, title, and cosmetic set at any time, but he or she can only be infamous for one Commendation at a time.

@knight-regius said in The rank of Pirate Legend is not deserving of its name:

@flying-poopla Well it's up to those who have earned the title
To make it mean something. Also even an unskilled player would be able to achieve X amount of kills eventually so even something like that would have no meaning either.

I like the idea though. Adding veriations to the title would allow people to show what they think makes them legendary.

Legendary banana croncher

Although I agree that Legends have the opportunity to distinguish themselves as they wish, so does everyone at every rank.

The issue at hand is that the game design does not provide a framework to achieve Legend status through any meaningful ways, and instead only requires a time investment in the very boring and repetitive voyage system where no skill or appreciable achievement is needed.

In short, Legend status proves that someone can meet the gameplay time requirements, rather than achieve something difficult based on skill.

@lobofh what?

@stubbierbell598 dijo en The rank of Pirate Legend is not deserving of its name:

@flying-poopla yep. All pirate legend means is neck beard, unemployed, or in middle school lol.

Or millionaires laughing at you.

OP, I understand your disenfranchisement of the goal of PL, and also wonder what modifiers could do to, flavour the journey, or recognize those who ventured in a certain path.

As far as these posts dividing players who deserve PL, many comments here seem to point at some undeserving awarding of PL.
Let's be clear here, although you may disagree with how PL is achieved, every player did exactly what Rare set forth in how to achieve it by leveling reputation. Some had methods contrary to some players belief on how to play, but none of them were awarded PL rank by not doing the reputation increases. Rare didn't just pick some people to be PL and modify their rep; that type of advancement would be truly undeserving.

So don't turn this into an attack on those with PL, and instead work on transforming PL like OP started with.

@flying-poopla Much agreed. Plus many PL's seem to think they "own" the servers due to their invested time. I've run into in game and witnessed out of game very pompous and elitist "legends" who think they're gods of some sort because they have no real life responsibility (hence why they can spend 6-8 hours per day grinding). We definitely need something better to make ranks more meaningful. I feel as though there should be some sort of in-game reputation system as well.

I still wholeheartedly feel that the first Pirate Legend is the one who pretty much made the whole "PL Status" into some shame. Totally botched the whole aspect of the game to "climb" to be the first PL. If any of you know who that is, I'm sure you'd agree to some extent.

Killing others is meaningless unless you gained something for your trouble. I do not want to see them incentivize blood-l**t just for the sake of it. You become pirate legend by 1) taking items from others, and 2) not having your items taken by others. If you are not turning in items for reputation then the world of Sot is indifferent to your efforts.

I am not suggesting you should not enjoy the game your way. If you want to sink ships for the giggles, have at it. On the other hand, unless it yielded you something, why should you earn anything ? You committed vandalism and possibly murder, but not thievery.

@dyornos except Op's point is despite your achievement, the game-world doesn't care. If you had simply showed up to the fort and shot skeletons with the cannons while a friend runs in circles kiting the dumb AF ai, you would have been rewarded/recognized exactly the same. In fact you are punished for doing adventurous, interesting and/or difficult things. How much longer did it take you to fight all those ships? PL is nothing but "how much loot did you turn in". Doing things that are difficult, like say, only taking loot from other players is severely penalized by the games "progression system". Mindlessly grinding by doing no more than is absolutely necessary is what this game rewards most. The only reason it's not as big a deal as the "goal" is because PL is worthless.

@stubbierbell598 said in The rank of Pirate Legend is not deserving of its name:

@xcalypt0x thats true, I dont play that much tbh. I'm lucky if i can get 4 hours in a week. It took me since release to get to 26/26/26 and I haven't went up in a while.

I dont think ill ever get PL, but i feel like it would be better for the game if it wasn't 100% grinding. Wish they had like a bunch of realllllly tough missions or some type of PvP thing.

The way it is makes me wonder why people do it

I'm not opposed to them adding some difficult, non-grind based tasks that need to be completed to reach PL, as long as those tasks aren't PvP related.

I don't think Rare would even consider adding PvP requirements to Pirate Legend. They have been pretty clear that they want encounters to have potential for inter-crew cooperation along with PvP.

This is the most accurate post I have read about this game. I myself have been on the grind to get PL, and have faced PL's in my quest and they are not that good. My crew and I can take on 3 ships at once and be the last one standing, unless there is someone of equal skill, but that is hard to come by.
There should defiantly be a new raking system when you hip PL.

@stubbierbell598 said in The rank of Pirate Legend is not deserving of its name:

@tre-oni dude. How long did it take you? How many hours played?

That is all it takes to get PL lol. Free time. Who has that much free time? Couch potatoes.

If you a potato that's cool idc no need to be salty lol

I dont care about being PL because i don't want to spend 300 hours playing delivery boy lol.

If there was more to it, then maybe I would care about being one but atm when I see a PL i see a potato

I guess thats on you then if thats how you want to look at it idk. It took time for sure, but play maybe 2 - 3 hours a night a few week after work, play a little more on days off when not busy. Even still had a handful of weeks where I didn't feel like playing.

Ideally going forward PL gets more content exclusively for it that does give people a reason to want it more. I don't think that's selfish, as others seem to.

@themisterff1 and it wont for a long time from my understanding end game content wont be coming for a while

@xcalypt0x thats true, I dont play that much tbh. I'm lucky if i can get 4 hours in a week. It took me since release to get to 26/26/26 and I haven't went up in a while.

I dont think ill ever get PL, but i feel like it would be better for the game if it wasn't 100% grinding. Wish they had like a bunch of realllllly tough missions or some type of PvP thing.

The way it is makes me wonder why people do it