@symbioto

No worries, my dude.

We're all here for the same reason, right? I tend to like keeping things more positive, but often a harsher viewpoint is needed.

So you keep doing you and I'll meet ya somewhere in the middle. =)

@v**a-hombre

You can call me anything you want as long as Rare will deliver a new content :)

Sry for useless venoms, you are right at least at this point!

I'm just upset that such a cool game sinking fast because of laziness and bad decisions of developers, and there is no real alternative with same (my favorite) setting and openworld.

@symbioto

Firstly, let me thank you for keeping the level of discussion at a classy and respectful level. It is much appreciated. =)

Secondly, I can't explain any of that to you as, like I previously mentioned, I do not have the information or knowledge required. I WILL say that the continued use of the "2 months" trope might be a little generous. The game has been out for a little over two months, but I think for the first month they seemed to mainly be focused on launch issues. Again, no real information, just what I gleaned from the forums and website.

Thirdly, it was not a "friend". They were articles and discussions about game development that I came across online. Not guaranteed factual, of course, but at least they didn't start calling people five year olds. =P

Oh, almost forgot to throw in the usual gif. Here ya go!

@v**a-hombre

I more and more convinced you are part of Rare team or 5 y.o. (possibly the both ?)

Otherwise how you can explain that mission with only 3 waypoints to place in the mission editor they surely have for development and 3 books with 3 lines of text each, no new or any enemies at all, no voiceovers, no nothing - could take 2 month to be done.

About modding - if you see mods made for Arma series for ex, often they have better quality, better textures, better scripting, better models and much more game mechanics than original once, even Arma developers took a lot of ideas from fan's mods for sequels, so your friend's thoughts are just bull****

So for me you are just part of Rare team or just a fat troll with your stupid animated gifs! Cheers

@nebenkuh The only and best reply to this c**p post

@symbioto

Eh, if you say so. I spent at least an hour on the campaign, but then I wasn't in any hurry.

And like I've said before, I know next to nothing about making games. Though I have read enough to know that many people consider comparing modding to professional development next to useless.

Not sure how true that is, but I have as much reason to believe them as you. Probably more, actually, since most of those articles came off as much more technical and even-tempered.

Thanks for the reply, though!

@v**a-hombre said in The Hungering Deep and its effect on future:

@haydnsym45

45 minutes?!!?

Did you strap a frickin' jet turbine to yer boat?

30 min of empty boring voyage from waypoint to waypoint and 15 min to kill a shark, and do not forget 45 min of this voyage = 5 min to place 3 waypoint in mission editor = 2 month of "hard work".

If you ever participated in any kind of modding/mission editing, you laughing loudly then you hear "2 month"

If you accepting this amount of work as promised "hard work", well...I would like to sell you some of my useless garbage from my garage for a few thousands. :)

I think a good old petition on change.org could boost some Rare's creativity...with Microsoft guys on their backs.

@haydnsym45

45 minutes?!!?

Did you strap a frickin' jet turbine to yer boat?

@spent-d - books. I write books. And I never said I could do anything in “a week.” Please read my original post. Rare has tons of employees and has hyped this content since release. It is 45 minutes of play. That isn’t much. Like has been said on this thread: game should have been delayed.

@braxkedren

So if it’s so easy to do then why don’t more people make games?

• this response makes no sense. People don’t make games, big companies with lots of employees (unless you’re Cuphead and Rare is a big company that had been making games for years).

Also if Rare had a monopoly on Pirate games then there’d be no other Pirate games out there at all...oh wait there are. So no monopoly there

• equally false insofar as multiplayer goes.

Sea of Fetch, funny. All games put you in a “fetch” mode. Please try again.

• no need to try again - there’s only 3 quests and now a one-off magaladon tat takes 30 minutes to complete. So back to fetching chickens.

The question is not value of 60 euros, just why I have to pay anything to team doing 1/3 of promised work. And I didn't refund it because of their promises of hard work.

If you working for a company and you do even not half of your work - you gonna be fired,
If you are company boss, and your workers do 1/3 of the job - you gonna fire them.
If you invest in 1/3 of the solid built building and after they just put fast some askew wooden roof built with a trash to finish it - you will sue them

Why in game industry if you buy a 1/3 product and you promised to see a result of a hard work later, but you see only someone cheating on you by throwing you something easy to do and nothing to do with what was promised - is't normal, you even defend them ?
You have a Stockholm Syndrome ?

@personalc0ffee said in The Hungering Deep and its effect on future:

@symbioto said in The Hungering Deep and its effect on future:

Expensive cup of tea for 60 euro, falsy advertised as high quality tea, but in reality made from trash with a tea-bag full of holes and broken thread :)

You want me to have same opinion on this game as you...or wait people are different! (take it back)

What you just don't get - is that I liked the visual style and pvp mechanics of this game from the first days, but there was an clear lack of content in this game to have a price of 60 euros.

Why I didn't asked for refund as many others - because Rare promised to work hard and to deliver lots of new content, they even created some polls and asked our opinion to show us their good intentions.

We waited passionately for 2 months, and what we see - reskins, reskins, reskins...nothing to do with what we asked for in polls. And the amount of delivered content and quality is not matching to "2 month of hard work" of experienced team.

Honestly, no one cares if you don't think it is worth $60. Stop using this flawed argument. What you value is subjective.

It isn't fact.

Thank you. One person may pay 60 dollars for a rug another person considers ugly and pointless. This pretending its worth is objective is silly.

MMO progression is always pointless, the enemies you fight level with you and there is no real progress. The only thing you get stronger than is other players, and most MMOs are equalizing that because losing to somebody based on their level just resulting pointless gank spamming.

All progression is pointless, it is about the experience.

I’m gonna have to say I was impressed by the physics when it rammed a sloop or galleon.

@lucid-stew said in The Hungering Deep and its effect on future:

One issue I think Sea of Thieves has is this steady attrition of players who once liked the game being alienated by one thing or another while Rare does next to nothing to gain new players or repair its relationship with former players. The sentiment in the video that HD wasn't enough is one I agree with. I'm not coming back for a single-session quest and a boss fight. There needs to be a lot more added than that, and sooner the better because every day I'm away from SoT, the less I care about it. I'm already considering picking up Frostpunk, and I really only have time for one title.

Frost punk is an amazing game, and I highly recommend it.

@symbioto said in The Hungering Deep and its effect on future:

They only feed you new skins for existing models, it's 1-2 days of work to recolour 10-20skins for outsourcers.

Realistically, if we're talking about a professional artist that uses raster graphics software on a daily basis, it would be more like 1-2 hours. Although, to be fair, they go through this whole process where the art lead says "hey, we need recolors of X asset, give me 50.", artist does 50, lead picks however many they needed(say 2-3), and those end up in the game.

@symbioto

Ah, see I only ever read the content list on the website. Which laid it all out pretty clearly. Perhaps you should adopt my tactic and just not pay that much attention to it all.

Just a suggestion. I feel bad when people seem so upset over this kinda stuff.

@symbioto said in The Hungering Deep and its effect on future:

If you started to sell games, and you take money for it - hire some professional programmes and do some tests before to release some garbage, at least you have insiders to test, so it's just up to team to not to release unfinished content!

Well, Rare have said that they are going to bring back the pioneer testing, so they atleast don't end up with new additions to the game that ends up crashing the servers.

Though, given your current view of SoT and on Rare, i doupt you care about that, and instead wants the hole team working at Rare to be fired by MS.

@dark-henrik-22 said in The Hungering Deep and its effect on future:

@symbioto how much salt do you have in your diet?

by the way, have you ever thought that some of the content had to be taken out because it was screwing with the game? I mean all the guys with similar views like you have complained in the past on how much of a bunch of failures that Rare is when it comes to game programing, so i would assume that you would probably remember the times they had to remove things they recently added into the game, because it broke the hole thing for everyone.

If one day you want to learn how to do something, you don's start by selling your first tryouts promising you will finish it one day and it gonna be amazing. You just cant sell a table with one leg and ask to temporary put something under to stabilize it, later you will add 3 more legs, because for now you ain't yet learned how to produce a table legs.

If you started to sell games, and you take money for it - hire some professional programmers and do some tests before to release some garbage, at least you have insiders to test, so it's just up to team to not to release unfinished content!

@symbioto said in The Hungering Deep and its effect on future:

@v**a-hombre said in The Hungering Deep and its effect on future:

@symbioto

so I don't know what's reasonable.

2 month to put back what was cut before ? See 2015-2017 videos and you gonna discover trumpet, flags, violin etc.
They only feed you new skins for existing models, it's 1-2 days of work to recolour 10-20skins for outsourcers.

Also, I thought they were pretty clear on what was going to be included in Hungering Deep.

Or yeah -
https://www.seaofthieves.com/news/sea-of-thieves-content-plans

"We will also be introducing a number of new mechanics to assist players on this adventure"
Attention... and the number iiiiisssss.....(absolute silence!) ONE! One new mechanic - speaker trumpet! Wow too much content, amazing, love it !!!! Trumpet just reintroduced back to game. (Long applauds!!!)

"and there will be unique rewards that players can earn as part of this event. "

Yep, absolutely unique shark figurine, doesn't mater that you can buy absolutely the same shark figurine but slightly different tint in the any shop on any island, but for you it should to be an exclusive reward, just shut-up and play average gamer, we have your money already!

"bring with it a new AI threat to the world."

Rescaled copypasted shark with slight mods and same AI, we use special "ctrl-c ctrl-v" command which takes 2 month to be done!

Thats exacly what i cant understand how can you respect yourself as a company even when you are giving 0 s**t about playerbase you build up hype then 1 week before update you saying sry we had small team and no time its just a 1 big Clown up there trolling the community

@symbioto how much salt do you have in your diet?

by the way, have you ever thought that some of the content had to be taken out because it was screwing with the game? I mean all the guys with similar views like you have complained in the past on how much of a bunch of failures that Rare is when it comes to game programing, so i would assume that you would probably remember the times they had to remove things they recently added into the game, because it broke the hole thing for everyone.

@v**a-hombre said in The Hungering Deep and its effect on future:

@symbioto

so I don't know what's reasonable.

2 month to put back what was cut before ? See 2015-2017 videos and you gonna discover trumpet, flags, violin etc.
They only feed you new skins for existing models, it's 1-2 days of work to recolour 10-20skins for outsourcers.

Also, I thought they were pretty clear on what was going to be included in Hungering Deep.

Or yeah -
https://www.seaofthieves.com/news/sea-of-thieves-content-plans

"We will also be introducing a number of new mechanics to assist players on this adventure"
Attention... and the number iiiiisssss.....(absolute silence!) ONE! One new mechanic - speaker trumpet! Wow too much content, amazing, love it !!!! Trumpet just reintroduced back to game. (Long applauds!!!)

"and there will be unique rewards that players can earn as part of this event. "

Yep, absolutely unique shark figurine, doesn't mater that you can buy absolutely the same shark figurine but slightly different tint in the any shop on any island, but for you it should to be an exclusive reward, just shut-up and play average gamer, we have your money already!

"bring with it a new AI threat to the world."

Rescaled copypasted shark with slight mods and same AI, we use special "ctrl-c ctrl-v" command which takes 2 month to be done!

@rattlyfob
Half of sovereign outfit that was needed to be here with the other half they uploaded in a month ago by their "mistake"
and flags were in the game already from the alphas check their E3 videos 2017 ... just held it back to call it content 2 months later

@symbioto

Eh, I can understand that. Think you may be taking it a little too hard, but I get it. Two months doesn't really seem like THAT long of a time to me, especially with all the bug fixes and maintenance they had to do at launch, but I don't know game design, so I don't know what's reasonable.

Also, I thought they were pretty clear on what was going to be included in Hungering Deep. I didn't pay much attention to the build-up, but I did read the list of features they put out. Seemed fairly straightforward.

But hey, that's the nice thing about public forums, right? We can cover all the bases. You handle the tough love and I can handle the boundless positivity!