@byrnndi-teach said in 4Hr Haul Lost😢😭:

You either re-visit outposts often, sucking the soul and momentum out of your crew or you keep spontaneously visiting new places on voyages increasing the risk, that's just how it goes.

I prefer the risk of long hauls because it feels like going to an out post every 30 mins REALLY slows down progress. But losing everything also slows it down. Double edged sword right there.

That sucks. I like to play with a big haul sometimes, just the thrill of risk keeps me more lively

@binaryplayerone But there is too much risk at the moment, that's what people are irritated about. Most sensible people don't mind the aspect of 'loss' but in this game the potential loss is quite extreme, I think it can easily be reduced a bit whilst keeping the element of risk in the game.

@blooddoll22 And likewise I can see millions of issues if a social space has no safe zone at all. People sniping others from a distance, one person running in an detonating a keg just for the laughs.. not to mention if they want to add mini games or dice/card games/wagering and betting (which is all piratey).. they need some system whereby players can't just be killed in the middle of a game.

But yea, we seem to be on the same wavelength.

It sucks when you lose your loot. But if it wasn't for the PvP part the game would be nothing but a glorified transport game. If you think people are leaving because of PvP. Imagine how many would leave if all you do is transport goods at no risk.....talk about snore-fest...

Moral of the story is: Don't leave it too long before cashing in your haul.

@navarita said in 4Hr Haul Lost😢😭:

Point of the story is, this is how the game will lose all players and ended up closing its servers.

I agree, there should be some way of getting at least a portion of the reward that was stolen from you.

It really sucks to put in a bunch of work to have it all stolen from you in a matter of seconds because you got unlucky.

@mo7airborne trouble is my middle name 😁

@darklaff-i-9-i well I guess this time you went home with nothing unfortunately ...

Its fine, we all have different play styles. I just would hate to waste that many hours of grind so I always stop at outposts along the way.

@combatxkitty its not that its just the way some players play my opinion i hate going to outpost regularly it bores me thats why i hated merchants

go big or go home thats my motto 😆

@darklaff-i-9-i You play any game for 4 hours without saving you're asking for trouble.

@angrycoconut16 said in 4Hr Haul Lost😢😭:

@blooddoll22 I like the notion of loss/reward it's really unique to this game but it needs to be delivered in a healthier manner. The number of people posting upset forums, leaving, or complaining that they want to play but their friends have left is unbelievable, and it'd be so easy to fix. No one should log in, have fun, and then log out feeling like they may as well not have bothered, and this is what the current experience does to many players. A lot of people have lives too, work, family, whatever else, school... and so people may not have a massive amount of time to log on..and if they log on for 60 minutes one evening, people should be able to log off feeling like they haven't lost 100% if they do get beaten in PvP, it's simply not fun... Losing is fine, extreme loss is also ok, and that's the core of this game.. if I lose to a PvPer, well done them, they can have my loot and compliments to them, but can I please have something for the time I spent to obtain it, before they even arrived?

I do agree with your no safe zones comment. I think safe zoning an outpost is a bad idea as it shouldn't interfere with the main server and to be honest although it sucks, if players want to kill you at an outpost they should be free to do so. But if they want to add a social zone into the game a safe zone is a must in my opinion, even if it's only half the social area, or an instanced server. But anyway that's a different thing altogether :P

IMO it'd have to be an instanced server...

Or at the most limited to the tavern space of an outpost, someplace where it can't be abused for PvP protection/kills.

I could see a million issues with a safe zone allowing people to hide their loot, camp the edge of the safe zone and snipe players then hide, crowd a server that is already limited in players, etc...

So I can get the issue.

But I think you and I are of very similar minds on these subjects.

@xxxrookxxx thank you its just a set back to me i can get it back 😁

@blooddoll22 I like the notion of loss/reward it's really unique to this game but it needs to be delivered in a healthier manner. The number of people posting upset forums, leaving, or complaining that they want to play but their friends have left is unbelievable, and it'd be so easy to fix. No one should log in, have fun, and then log out feeling like they may as well not have bothered, and this is what the current experience does to many players. A lot of people have lives too, work, family, whatever else, school... and so people may not have a massive amount of time to log on..and if they log on for 60 minutes one evening, people should be able to log off feeling like they haven't lost 100% if they do get beaten in PvP, it's simply not fun... Losing is fine, extreme loss is also ok, and that's the core of this game.. if I lose to a PvPer, well done them, they can have my loot and compliments to them, but can I please have something for the time I spent to obtain it, before they even arrived?

I do agree with your no safe zones comment. I think safe zoning an outpost is a bad idea as it shouldn't interfere with the main server and to be honest although it sucks, if players want to kill you at an outpost they should be free to do so. But if they want to add a social zone into the game a safe zone is a must in my opinion, even if it's only half the social area, or an instanced server. But anyway that's a different thing altogether :P

@angrycoconut16 said in 4Hr Haul Lost😢😭:

@blooddoll22 You might like this thread https://www.seaofthieves.com/forum/topic/57027/reputation-loss-risk-and-negativity/632?page=19

Nothing wrong with loss in this game, but the 100% loss and feeling of wasting time just kills the fun for people at the moment. :/ I mean of course it's the fault of whoever got complacent, but still, the current loss is too extreme in my opinion.

Edit: Someone has already linked you. Sorry haha.

I wholly agree, I also wholly agree that the whole "no safe areas" philosophy is ridiculous and the game should at least provide a safe "tavern" or single "outpost" or something, not one where you can turn in or actually accomplish anything - but one where you could meet and greet. It's preferably be a pregame lobby area for players to meet prospective crews.

Back on the topic of loss versus reward - Until something is altered - I feel that the notion of loss versus reward is certainly beyond outrageous. But I've said it before.

@blooddoll22 You might like this thread https://www.seaofthieves.com/forum/topic/57027/reputation-loss-risk-and-negativity/632?page=19

Nothing wrong with loss in this game, but the 100% loss and feeling of wasting time just kills the fun for people at the moment. :/ I mean of course it's the fault of whoever got complacent, but still, the current loss is too extreme in my opinion.

Edit: Someone has already linked you. Sorry haha.

@navarita said in 4Hr Haul Lost😢😭:

Point of the story is, this is how the game will lose all players and ended up closing its servers.

Not everyone rage quits. Things happen. As the OP said, it was his own mistake. Most of us have had this happen... it's just part of the game. "You can't win 'em all."

yeah I never carry more than 4 loots and if I get a captains chest or the best skull I set sail for port right away.

@navarita Stealing and having things stolen FROM you is a part of this game..

We're playing a PIRATE GAME... Don't want to lose your things?, play a safe PVE game instead.

@navarita said in 4Hr Haul Lost😢😭:

@mrgrim67686 said in 4Hr Haul Lost😢😭:

@blooddoll22 Only problem with frequent turn-ins is that it adds to the already large time investment needed to get anything done in the game.

Stocking your ship? Takes forever. Getting from A to B? Takes forever. Looking for some goofy little spot on a large island? Takes forever. Fighting a pack of flintlock gold skeletons on top of a large island nowhere near water or an ammo crate? Takes forever. Locked in combat against a competent crew? Takes forever.

Something somewhere needs to be streamlined so basic actions don't snowball into a six hour mash of "wasn't even worth it".

I've personally given up on gold and progression. Don't even care about it. Like you, I'll engage with a hold full of loot. Or bait people into engaging me by taunting them with upper tier items via the text wheel. Currently my only goal is watching people sink.

Your average player though will want something substantial for their time investment. The very least Rare could do would be to throw them a bone on some faction progression on completed voyages. So when someone like me comes along and ganks 4 hours worth of work they don't leave empty-handed. Technically, their contract was fulfilled. They found all the whatsits that was asked of them. Who turns the whatsits in for cash is irrelevant.

This guy gets it, this game punishes you for playing it. Having a good time? You're playing the game wrong. Didn't realize how long you've been since cashing rewards? You're playing the game wrong. I'm sorry but you have to be a m*******t or a s****t to enjoy the game as it is right now, it's brutal for no reason.

It's hard to disagree. It can be so much fun and lighthearted but it can slap you hard and remorselessly too to such a degree that it can feel like a different game in an instant. Some people can roll with it and live to fight another day but a friend I'd like to play with most has no interest in ever coming back after a pretty bad experience early on, just as one example.

@darklaff-i-9-i said in 4Hr Haul Lost😢😭:

Me and my friend sailed the seas for 4hrs doing gold hoarders then we decided to call it a night after we dig up the last treasure we both lost our focus and got creeped up on by a sloop we heard the canon shot but it was over before we could react 😢 gg to the sloop they got a big easy haul.

point of the story is allways keep a eye open for other ships
#HappySailing

Alternate point. Go to outposts more often then every 4 hours.
I don't keep much loot on my ship. I head to outposts a lot with 2 to 4 items only on my ship. Better safe then sorry.

Zeffin

I think the point of this story is to hit up outposts along the way and never sail around with four hours of treasure chests on your ship.

@Darklaff-I-9-I I am very sorry to hear about the loss and I know how that feels, but I just wanted to say thank you for the optimistic point of view on the matter. It for sure sucks, but kudos to your attitude on the situation!

@blooddoll22 See this thread man. Let your voice be heard.

https://www.seaofthieves.com/forum/topic/57027/reputation-loss-risk-and-negativity/631?page=19