[Mega Thread] Play Anywhere and Cross Play - Part 3
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The OP stated that 500ms was a negligible amount of time that provides no major difference in gameplay advantage. That is the point that I was disputing. If you played on a 500 ms input lag monitor, you would notice.
Ahhh, sorry for misunderstanding you, and thanks for the clarification! I couldn't agree with you more on this matter.
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@khol-thndrwlkr said in [Mega Thread] Play Anywhere and Cross Play - Part 3:
@mrbrocksego said in [Mega Thread] Play Anywhere and Cross Play - Part 3:
@greaseman85 Its a downgrade. The games that have it as an optional feature are all more competitive than this one, and usually started off with no crossplay.
It's not a downgrade. The feature is still there. Giving people the ability to turn it off does not remove your ability to keep using crossplay.
Exactly this. I don’t understand why people equate the option to op out of crossplay with ruining the game? It’s 24 person servers. Also, if everything is so fair and perfect as it is, why are they all so afraid of everyone opting out? If everything is so nice and the majority like it the way it is, people won’t opt out and not much will change. The fact that PC players know we would leave should speak measures alone.
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@doctor-dissaray said in [Mega Thread] Play Anywhere and Cross Play - Part 3:
The OP stated that 500ms was a negligible amount of time that provides no major difference in gameplay advantage. That is the point that I was disputing. If you played on a 500 ms input lag monitor, you would notice.
Ahhh, sorry for misunderstanding you, and thanks for the clarification! I couldn't agree with you more on this matter.
Not a problem! I should have been clearer in my initial post. After I read it again, I could see where you were coming from for sure.
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@savagetwinky said in [Mega Thread] Play Anywhere and Cross Play - Part 3:
@trophy-un1ocked said in [Mega Thread] Play Anywhere and Cross Play - Part 3:
@savagetwinky said in [Mega Thread] Play Anywhere and Cross Play - Part 3:
@cnt-thelrox said in [Mega Thread] Play Anywhere and Cross Play - Part 3:
@elem08 sagte in [Mega Thread] Play Anywhere and Cross Play - Part 3:
The benefits of Mouse + Keyboard are negligible in the grand scheme of encounters
Except when it matters the most, which is in close combat after a successful boarding.
or saving your ship/sailing/ doing anything that requires being able to turn faster than other players to spot/fire/multitask.
I will sort of agree (because raising/lower sails/anchor, turning wheel/sails are fixed speeds) but when i was testing on my xbox with max sensitivity there are a couple flaws that rare should fix.
- allow an option to turn off/on camera snap when using items (ladder,wheel, sails) I could not see an option to not snap back to "center" or default position.
- the "look" speed while using those was reduced severely. (almost back to default speeds)
This I would say is a disadvantage but should have a relatively easy fix.
You can sort of agree all you want but it's self-evident that the kb/m isn't a marginal advantage by any stretch of the imagination. There are significant advantages on the precision alone, the speed just gives it an additional edge. I can look around WITHOUT a penalty while moving through out the ship, there is enough 180 degree turns going through the levels or working the sails that being able to look around easily while moving gives players a significant advantage in awareness in a pvp scenario as well as aiming at players and aiming on a moving ship.
I hit someone in the crows nest during a storm in a different ship while manning the cannons/sails. Screwed up their keg run.
For you it may be, but from the tests I performed the difference IS marginal by +- .5 seconds (when applying to myself alone) I don't know how quick you or anyone else's reaction times are. There are people who are more/less proficient with a mouse that's called a variable. Not to mention you guys keep bringing up "precision" like it really matters. Let me remind you, there isn't critical damage(or has been no evidence) that body shots matter with weapons. I believe that a shot to the head deals the same damage as a shot to the torso. And yes I am excluding AoE damage. You either hit/miss with shots, it sounds like you guys are trying to argue that i can hit you more because i have a finer "surgeon like" accuracy, when it doesn't really matter, i just need to be able to hit you.
*Edited because i forgot words...
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Why is every xbox player in here arguing that PC players only want crossplay so we can play against xbox players? I actually do enjoy having more players to play with and meeting people playing on console. I rarely meet up with other PC players or have I ever met up with them in game unless I explicitly added them, so actually having a community online to play with is nice. Excluding this might make the PC version a dead game because I feel as time goes on there are fewer and fewer on PC still playing. I don't want this crossplay thing to happen and then find that the PC servers are just a bunch of empty servers with empty islands.
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@khol-thndrwlkr Except for the part where you are taking a (major advertised) feature of the game and making it be a thing that happens only sometimes under certain circumstances. Its doesn't add anything to the game it just segregates players, and appeases people angry about anecdotes.
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@goodsamaritan11 So your saying that a 500ms delay to the output device is something that always happens, no matter what. Basically there is a .5 second delay ON SCREEN from when you input the commands. VS my point that only "matters" or happens when you are engaged in PVP. Not to mention that where it really matters (non ship battles) the fight is over very quickly (on average) thus I say you wont notice that .5 second slower turn speeds.
Something that is "always" (your 500ms delay) noticeable vs something that is "occasionally" noticeable (500ms Slower) speeds. Still sounds like we are talking about two separate things. Your delay is input related and noticeable similar to typing in word and there being a delay in the words actually typing or continuing to type after you stop. My "slower" turn speed happens in real time (same as yours), its just not as quick as your turn speed. (me having a slightly lower wpm than you while typing.)
My point "Delay" ≠ "Slower" in this sense and some people fail to understand that.
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@goodsamaritan11 said in [Mega Thread] Play Anywhere and Cross Play - Part 3:
@khol-thndrwlkr said in [Mega Thread] Play Anywhere and Cross Play - Part 3:
@mrbrocksego said in [Mega Thread] Play Anywhere and Cross Play - Part 3:
@greaseman85 Its a downgrade. The games that have it as an optional feature are all more competitive than this one, and usually started off with no crossplay.
It's not a downgrade. The feature is still there. Giving people the ability to turn it off does not remove your ability to keep using crossplay.
Exactly this. I don’t understand why people equate the option to op out of crossplay with ruining the game? It’s 24 person servers. Also, if everything is so fair and perfect as it is, why are they all so afraid of everyone opting out? If everything is so nice and the majority like it the way it is, people won’t opt out and not much will change. The fact that PC players know we would leave should speak measures alone.
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Probably because there are many uninformed/misinformed console players out there. In the sense that they "just cant" compete with a pc, so they leave based on that assumption alone.
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i feel that you are generalizing PC players or placing them all in the same group or mindset that we associate console player with "an easy kill." And that's simply not the case.
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@dj-deadscope said in [Mega Thread] Play Anywhere and Cross Play - Part 3:
@savagetwinky said in [Mega Thread] Play Anywhere and Cross Play - Part 3:
This discussion is wrong and completely oblivious to the actual problem. If I'm on a pc and want to use a controller I'm in the same camp as Xbox players. Just add an option to limit the control scheme. People that want to use controllers are grouped. People that want to use k/m are grouped. If we are looking at the controller as the limiting factor then make that the option ie, the controller only games and disable the keyboard mouse.
This doesnt address the fact that alot of Xbox players dont want to be matched up with PC cheats.
Nor does it address the fact that cheats can exist for the console also. Albeit slightly less abundant.
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@dj-deadscope said in [Mega Thread] Play Anywhere and Cross Play - Part 3:
This doesnt address the fact that alot of Xbox players dont want to be matched up with PC cheats.
One would be wrong to assume that all PC players cheat/hack/exploit.
Not all PC players are in that same boat. Many do not condone, or flat-out refuse to use cheats/hacks, and many PC players look down on others who do such a thing.
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Agree that it should be optional, therefore anyone who wants cross play can have it. I don't understand why the PC crowd are so against having this choice , surely we live in a time when people should be allowed to choose instead of being dictacted to? Why should you get to tell anyone that they must play in a certain way.
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does anyone find it funny that all these posts going up and yet RARE instead of sorting and fixing this issue just keep blocking and deleting them. Obviously this is a major topic (yes I understand full well they cant decide themselves on this) yet all of us arguing on here just gets blocks and new posts added
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@scoilean said in [Mega Thread] Play Anywhere and Cross Play - Part 3:
Agree that it should be optional, therefore anyone who wants cross play can have it. I don't understand why the PC crowd are so against having this choice , surely we live in a time when people should be allowed to choose instead of being dictacted to? Why should you get to tell anyone that they must play in a certain way.
I agree this whole forced upon us c**p is a joke, if I wanted to play with PC players id play a PC, however this is not the case. Also its a XBOX game why does rare keep pushing fixes for them all the time than xbox (if you want proof of this check the weekly updates since launch) -
@greaseman85 said in [Mega Thread] Play Anywhere and Cross Play - Part 3:
@mrbrocksego said in [Mega Thread] Play Anywhere and Cross Play - Part 3:
Please don't replace a feature of the game with a broken version of the same feature. Optional crossplay isn't a fix its a downgrade to the current game system. They can balance the game without wrecking what they've built.
Nothing is being wrecked. Lots of games started with a feature, only for said feature to be improved, or discontinued, or replaced.
How do you even think that? its just console players want to play with console players not PC, its not balanced
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@commando-slippy Well because its NOT just an xbox game. Console Stability is not the same thing as Computer Stability. If that were the case, the game would would actually play on my (older) alienware laptop. Still doesn't a month later btw.
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@commando-slippy said in [Mega Thread] Play Anywhere and Cross Play - Part 3:
@greaseman85 said in [Mega Thread] Play Anywhere and Cross Play - Part 3:
@mrbrocksego said in [Mega Thread] Play Anywhere and Cross Play - Part 3:
Please don't replace a feature of the game with a broken version of the same feature. Optional crossplay isn't a fix its a downgrade to the current game system. They can balance the game without wrecking what they've built.
Nothing is being wrecked. Lots of games started with a feature, only for said feature to be improved, or discontinued, or replaced.
How do you even think that? its just console players want to play with console players not PC, its not balanced
Do you have any real proof outside of anecdotal evidence that the game is not balanced? Maybe that is what Rare really needs to "publish" their internal statics and reports.
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watch any video on youtube, Listen to the forums, play on xbox not PC for over a month, So many articles.
so many of you say prove it etc etc The evidence is clear and in front of you on every page!
I totally agree RARE should post and prove these stats, but they wont as they know if they do a lot of Fans will walk away or Rage a lot of them due to this.
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@Trophy-un1ocked another suggestion that could possibly keep people happy, would either Turn of cross play for a limited time and work on the bugs and issues. (and yes I do have friends on PC who agree with me on this) then try again, this way they can see peoples feed backs in the forums and work from there
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@commando-slippy I understand that, i really do. The point is that so many times that person (the poster) is claiming that the other person is cheating. Yes there are a few out there that actually SHOW the cheat (such as godmode and such) however, more often then not its speculation that "they're cheating." It only creates witch hunts, and festers the thought that other players must be cheating, because there is no way someone else is better then me at this game. Hence anecdotal evidence.
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@commando-slippy said in [Mega Thread] Play Anywhere and Cross Play - Part 3:
@Trophy-un1ocked another suggestion that could possibly keep people happy, would either Turn of cross play for a limited time and work on the bugs and issues. (and yes I do have friends on PC who agree with me on this) then try again, this way they can see peoples feed backs in the forums and work from there
For the record, I don't care if they add the option. I just don't feel its necessary to add (at this point in time) if you look at all the facts. I take issue when people make assumptions based off misinformation or those who are ignorant to the facts.
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@commando-slippy said in [Mega Thread] Play Anywhere and Cross Play - Part 3:
if I wanted to play with PC players id play a PC, however this is not the case.
Would you still feel the same way if, from launch, this game required PC and Xbox players to use a controller?
(I understand that KB+M support is supposed to be coming to Xbox, but lets consider that even with that, that the game doesn't support it.)
Also its a XBOX game why does rare keep pushing fixes for them all the time than xbox (if you want proof of this check the weekly updates since launch)
And to further elaborate on what @Trophy-un1ocked mentioned
Well because its NOT just an xbox game. Console Stability is not the same thing as Computer Stability. If that were the case, the game would would actually play on my (older) alienware laptop. Still doesn't a month later btw.
(Which is very unfortunate for him :P)This is due to the fact that, across the board, all Xboxs are built the same. And PCs can often be Frankenstein like monstrosities.
Every Xbox One (OG) is the same as every other Xbox One (OG)
Every Xbox One S is the same as every other Xbox One S. Same can be said for Xbox One X.When it comes to PCs, you can have hundreds of configurations from amount of RAM, CPU type, amount of CPU cores, graphics card/VRAM, HDD speed, HDD vs SSD, etc etc. This results in a large number of bugs/glitches, and thus the need for patches/updates/fixes. Its not too often that a game will be released and won't run at all on some PCs due to some unforeseen bug.
The Sea Calls To Us All, The Sea Unites Us as One
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ok as an xbox player myself, I have witnessed this c**p so much, like to today for instance, me and my pal 2 man sloop, we took on a gal, 4 sloops all day we was happy good fun fights. Then 1 sloop PC player comes in we cant do s**t, they literally roll through us 3 times (we even put 149 canon balls into there boat and did it sink, NO!
its stupid how soon as a PC player just has that edge (I am salty at this too) but its still stupid.BUT now im not stating these guys are cheating the fact, you couldn't do anything to these guys was unfair. I know this does create a witch trial. But come on if its this bad, Rare needs to pull finger out and do something
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Ok first of all yes, I would still say same if you was forced like us all to use controls, as the argument below you said
When it comes to PCs, you can hundreds of configurations from amount of RAM, CPU type, amount of CPU cores, graphics card/VRAM, etc etc. This results in a large number of bugs/glitches, and thus the need for patches/updates/fixes. Its not too often that a game will be released and won't run at all on some PCs due to some unforeseen bug.
everyone PC is different but some specs out do the console, or there that bad it causes a major delay between PC and game. So yes in my eyes I would still say same, because Console - console in my eyes is fair
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@mrbrocksego said in [Mega Thread] Play Anywhere and Cross Play - Part 3:
@khol-thndrwlkr Except for the part where you are taking a (major advertised) feature of the game and making it be a thing that happens only sometimes under certain circumstances. Its doesn't add anything to the game it just segregates players, and appeases people angry about anecdotes.
A feature is still a feature even if other people turn that feature off. It does add something to the game: choice. Let people make the choice for themselves.
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@commando-slippy Is it possible they were cheating? Yes. Is it possible they were repairing, or had someone dedicated to repairs? Yes.
I nor anyone with authority to do anything (or take your word for face value) about this (or any suspected cheating) wont go on your word alone.
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@khol-thndrwlkr Its only a choice for one side of that. All the people that leave it on don't have a choice, they're just stuck playing with only PC players.
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@trophy-un1ocked said in [Mega Thread] Play Anywhere and Cross Play - Part 3:
@commando-slippy Is it possible they were cheating? Yes. Is it possible they were repairing, or had someone dedicated to repairs? Yes.
I nor anyone with authority to do anything (or take your word for face value) about this (or any suspected cheating) wont go on your word alone.
I don't want anything done, but im just stating. I want a balanced game like you and others, and like @Khol-Thndrwlkr said its a feature so whats harm in players like us wanting to turn it on. It shouldn't matter to you guys
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@mrbrocksego said in [Mega Thread] Play Anywhere and Cross Play - Part 3:
@khol-thndrwlkr Its only a choice for one side of that. All the people that leave it on don't have a choice, they're just stuck playing with only PC players.
No, everyone would have the choice. You would be choosing not to opt-out. Plus there are a lot of people who have stayed that they use Xbox and would still use crossplay some of the time.
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@khol-thndrwlkr Except the people that think its (optional crossplay) a terrible idea in the first place.
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@mrbrocksego said in [Mega Thread] Play Anywhere and Cross Play - Part 3:
@khol-thndrwlkr Except the people that think its (optional crossplay) a terrible idea in the first place.
how is it a bad idea exactly? for giving people a choice, your pretty selfish in that respect if so as not everyone wants to be there
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@mrbrocksego said in [Mega Thread] Play Anywhere and Cross Play - Part 3:
@khol-thndrwlkr Except the people that think its (optional crossplay) a terrible idea in the first place.
I get that. I really do. I just feel that an option like this will solve a lot of people's issues with the game and, I believe, will have no negative impact on the game as we know it.
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@trophy-un1ocked said in [Mega Thread] Play Anywhere and Cross Play - Part 3:
@savagetwinky said in [Mega Thread] Play Anywhere and Cross Play - Part 3:
@trophy-un1ocked said in [Mega Thread] Play Anywhere and Cross Play - Part 3:
@savagetwinky said in [Mega Thread] Play Anywhere and Cross Play - Part 3:
@cnt-thelrox said in [Mega Thread] Play Anywhere and Cross Play - Part 3:
@elem08 sagte in [Mega Thread] Play Anywhere and Cross Play - Part 3:
The benefits of Mouse + Keyboard are negligible in the grand scheme of encounters
Except when it matters the most, which is in close combat after a successful boarding.
or saving your ship/sailing/ doing anything that requires being able to turn faster than other players to spot/fire/multitask.
I will sort of agree (because raising/lower sails/anchor, turning wheel/sails are fixed speeds) but when i was testing on my xbox with max sensitivity there are a couple flaws that rare should fix.
- allow an option to turn off/on camera snap when using items (ladder,wheel, sails) I could not see an option to not snap back to "center" or default position.
- the "look" speed while using those was reduced severely. (almost back to default speeds)
This I would say is a disadvantage but should have a relatively easy fix.
You can sort of agree all you want but it's self-evident that the kb/m isn't a marginal advantage by any stretch of the imagination. There are significant advantages on the precision alone, the speed just gives it an additional edge. I can look around WITHOUT a penalty while moving through out the ship, there is enough 180 degree turns going through the levels or working the sails that being able to look around easily while moving gives players a significant advantage in awareness in a pvp scenario as well as aiming at players and aiming on a moving ship.
I hit someone in the crows nest during a storm in a different ship while manning the cannons/sails. Screwed up their keg run.
For you it may be, but from the tests I performed the difference IS marginal by +- .5 seconds (when applying to myself alone) I don't know how quick you or anyone else's reaction times are. There are people who are more/less proficient with a mouse that's called a variable. Not to mention you guys keep bringing up "precision" like it really matters. Let me remind you, there isn't critical damage(or has been no evidence) that body shots matter with weapons. I believe that a shot to the head deals the same damage as a shot to the torso. And yes I am excluding AoE damage. You either hit/miss with shots, it sounds like you guys are trying to argue that i can hit you more because i have a finer "surgeon like" accuracy, when it doesn't really matter, i just need to be able to hit you.
*Edited because i forgot words...
You don't need critical damage for precision to matter, the fact is I can zero in on anything faster than a controller based player. I need to look at near immediately REGARDLESS of what else I'm doing. That affords me the opportunity to not only easily look at my surroundings on approach but still hit what I want to hit.
I don't need surgeon-like accuracy but the controller feels like your controlling a tank. Turning, bucketing, hitting the sails, grabbing boards are all significantly more clunky and easier to make mistakes on... while simultaneously being harder to be aware of your surroundings, zero in on targets, and handle any of the verticality on the ships/water.
You're still arguing about just one mechanic, sure if we are both looking directly at each other with nothing else going on a controller is kind of ok... except that situation is like never. Even just something as simple as bucketing is a massive difference being able to turn quickly and aim outside. You can do it incredibly efficiently with a mouse compared to a joystick. That all has to do with speed+precision. Including shooting someone mid bucket because I can actually look around while bucketing easily.