I will never buy another cross platform (pc/console) game again (WHO's WITH ME?)

@jjblackhat said in I will never buy another cross platform (pc/console) game again (WHO's WITH ME?):

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@jjblackhat Just because you are not good in combat don't use the "There is a disadvantage" excuse.

Just because you are afraid to play with your own kind on level playing fields without advantages over other players.. don't try to point the finger at me for being bad. I do just fine, but you seem to NEED the advantage since it's so important to you that I don't have an option to play with my own kind. Are you scurrrrred of competition?

Give me a break - still not ONE good argument. Only moronic attempts.

I'll give you a good argument for real. No more picking on you.

If we look at games that do not have cross play (overwatch, cod, bf1, etc.) and compare them to SoT we notice a few things. Those other games are 100% made up of pointing and shooting. You are always in the action in a game like overwatch. There isn't downtime from pvp. So, why does this matter?

Adding a separation option would require UI work, server work, and other various system development work. Even for something that seems simple. So now we need to realise that giving any options to segment their community is literally dangerous to their game. While having an advantage on one platform is also dangerous to the game, the danger of this is minimal and not noticed 100% of the time as you are not always in pvp gameplay.

So now you have investment in time, money, AND a risk to dividing the community leading to longer queue times and players leaving the game. It makes more sense from a business perspective to keep it the way it is and deal with the handful of players who cannot handle the disadvantage. This isnt an argument to why it is not needed, this is me explaining to you calmly why it wont ever happen.

Okay, now I am going to respond to you. :)

Adding an option to separate cross platform would not require much other than 'servers'. The UI work in attaching to the API an small option that sends a value to the server, and response back would be minimal. Adding the a 'condition' to determine which servers to load specific accounts to would also be rather simple. Keep in mind I am a programmer and understand the depths of this. However depending on the structures that Rare put in place, this might need to be built from the ground up which means creating a simple class, and calling it in their code, utilize the the condition based on click, etc. Doesn't matter, the fact is this would be far less complex than all of the fixes they just made in the last update. It just costs money creating the segregated servers/switches, etc.

The community should have the choice to play on level grounds. It's not dividing the community, it's allowing the community to have a choice. Allowing players to opt in or opt out would be at their discretion so if you truly believe that more players are for this cross play option than it really would barely effect you, and you can play with your friends. Nothing anyone has presented has been clear on why cross play should exist other than the benefit of having advantages for PC players.

I disagree - I think it will happen, and if enough players voice their opinions and flex their wallets it will happen sooner than you think. Lets go back to when MS tried to bring out the Xbox One as an all digital system - they changed that rather quickly - if you recall. Never say never. Console players have voices too.

I have already made my decision, and it's good to see others feel the same way which is evident in the votes counted on this post.

Hey cool you're a programmer. I'm actually a Business IT Analyst so I get where you're coming from. I'm more on the business side and as you know as a programmer, it comes down to value add activity. This sort of project would cost them more than they would gain. I'd be willing to bet on that one. But I wont try to argue to get you to stay in game. I'm personally on my last leg with it anyway (not a pegleg pun but it should have been LOL) so I get the feeling I really do.

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@jjblackhat Just because you are not good in combat don't use the "There is a disadvantage" excuse.

Just because you are afraid to play with your own kind on level playing fields without advantages over other players.. don't try to point the finger at me for being bad. I do just fine, but you seem to NEED the advantage since it's so important to you that I don't have an option to play with my own kind. Are you scurrrrred of competition?

Give me a break - still not ONE good argument. Only moronic attempts.

I'll give you a good argument for real. No more picking on you.

If we look at games that do not have cross play (overwatch, cod, bf1, etc.) and compare them to SoT we notice a few things. Those other games are 100% made up of pointing and shooting. You are always in the action in a game like overwatch. There isn't downtime from pvp. So, why does this matter?

Adding a separation option would require UI work, server work, and other various system development work. Even for something that seems simple. So now we need to realise that giving any options to segment their community is literally dangerous to their game. While having an advantage on one platform is also dangerous to the game, the danger of this is minimal and not noticed 100% of the time as you are not always in pvp gameplay.

So now you have investment in time, money, AND a risk to dividing the community leading to longer queue times and players leaving the game. It makes more sense from a business perspective to keep it the way it is and deal with the handful of players who cannot handle the disadvantage. This isnt an argument to why it is not needed, this is me explaining to you calmly why it wont ever happen.

Okay, now I am going to respond to you. :)

Adding an option to separate cross platform would not require much other than 'servers'. The UI work in attaching to the API an small option that sends a value to the server, and response back would be minimal. Adding the a 'condition' to determine which servers to load specific accounts to would also be rather simple. Keep in mind I am a programmer and understand the depths of this. However depending on the structures that Rare put in place, this might need to be built from the ground up which means creating a simple class, and calling it in their code, utilize the the condition based on click, etc. Doesn't matter, the fact is this would be far less complex than all of the fixes they just made in the last update. It just costs money creating the segregated servers/switches, etc.

The community should have the choice to play on level grounds. It's not dividing the community, it's allowing the community to have a choice. Allowing players to opt in or opt out would be at their discretion so if you truly believe that more players are for this cross play option than it really would barely effect you, and you can play with your friends. Nothing anyone has presented has been clear on why cross play should exist other than the benefit of having advantages for PC players.

I disagree - I think it will happen, and if enough players voice their opinions and flex their wallets it will happen sooner than you think. Lets go back to when MS tried to bring out the Xbox One as an all digital system - they changed that rather quickly - if you recall. Never say never. Console players have voices too.

I have already made my decision, and it's good to see others feel the same way which is evident in the votes counted on this post.

Hey cool you're a programmer. I'm actually a Business IT Analyst so I get where you're coming from. I'm more on the business side and as you know as a programmer, it comes down to value add activity. This sort of project would cost them more than they would gain. I'd be willing to bet on that one. But I wont try to argue to get you to stay in game. I'm personally on my last leg with it anyway (not a pegleg pun but it should have been LOL) so I get the feeling I really do.

I think that having the option to opt in or opt out will save them money in the future, because I believe they will sell less copies of the games if they don't. I know for a fact I know a large handful of console players that are saying the same thing, but are not on the forums to vocalize their frustration. I don't believe every game can be added to 'game pass', because then then it will become a 'loss' for MS and the associated vendor/development houses.

I think adding the option to opt in, and opt out would be a win for everyone. First, it's not really using any more server room than it is if it's combined, because the segregation volume would work its way out, and if it were it would be very slim. I doubt they'd want to run both a PC and XBONE instances on the same server - but perhaps they are equipped to do so which would make this type of change less costly, and easier. There is however always money in 'time' to test this with their test teams I am sure.

Not saying I would feel this way but there may even be complaints of advertising as cross play just to make it optional in the future. This may also be a risk if people purchased just for this reason. There's a lot for them to think about. But I can't guarantee it wont happen because it's not my project. But I can say I dont believe it will. As always though, we will see what happens. I dont mind playing against other PC gamers. I do it in literally EVERY other PC game I play on a daily basis.

Good proper discussion though. Good luck with whatever game you play!

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@jjblackhat Just because you are not good in combat don't use the "There is a disadvantage" excuse.

Just because you are afraid to play with your own kind on level playing fields without advantages over other players.. don't try to point the finger at me for being bad. I do just fine, but you seem to NEED the advantage since it's so important to you that I don't have an option to play with my own kind. Are you scurrrrred of competition?

Give me a break - still not ONE good argument. Only moronic attempts.

I'll give you a good argument for real. No more picking on you.

If we look at games that do not have cross play (overwatch, cod, bf1, etc.) and compare them to SoT we notice a few things. Those other games are 100% made up of pointing and shooting. You are always in the action in a game like overwatch. There isn't downtime from pvp. So, why does this matter?

Adding a separation option would require UI work, server work, and other various system development work. Even for something that seems simple. So now we need to realise that giving any options to segment their community is literally dangerous to their game. While having an advantage on one platform is also dangerous to the game, the danger of this is minimal and not noticed 100% of the time as you are not always in pvp gameplay.

So now you have investment in time, money, AND a risk to dividing the community leading to longer queue times and players leaving the game. It makes more sense from a business perspective to keep it the way it is and deal with the handful of players who cannot handle the disadvantage. This isnt an argument to why it is not needed, this is me explaining to you calmly why it wont ever happen.

Okay, now I am going to respond to you. :)

Adding an option to separate cross platform would not require much other than 'servers'. The UI work in attaching to the API an small option that sends a value to the server, and response back would be minimal. Adding the a 'condition' to determine which servers to load specific accounts to would also be rather simple. Keep in mind I am a programmer and understand the depths of this. However depending on the structures that Rare put in place, this might need to be built from the ground up which means creating a simple class, and calling it in their code, utilize the the condition based on click, etc. Doesn't matter, the fact is this would be far less complex than all of the fixes they just made in the last update. It just costs money creating the segregated servers/switches, etc.

The community should have the choice to play on level grounds. It's not dividing the community, it's allowing the community to have a choice. Allowing players to opt in or opt out would be at their discretion so if you truly believe that more players are for this cross play option than it really would barely effect you, and you can play with your friends. Nothing anyone has presented has been clear on why cross play should exist other than the benefit of having advantages for PC players.

I disagree - I think it will happen, and if enough players voice their opinions and flex their wallets it will happen sooner than you think. Lets go back to when MS tried to bring out the Xbox One as an all digital system - they changed that rather quickly - if you recall. Never say never. Console players have voices too.

I have already made my decision, and it's good to see others feel the same way which is evident in the votes counted on this post.

Hey cool you're a programmer. I'm actually a Business IT Analyst so I get where you're coming from. I'm more on the business side and as you know as a programmer, it comes down to value add activity. This sort of project would cost them more than they would gain. I'd be willing to bet on that one. But I wont try to argue to get you to stay in game. I'm personally on my last leg with it anyway (not a pegleg pun but it should have been LOL) so I get the feeling I really do.

I think that having the option to opt in or opt out will save them money in the future, because I believe they will sell less copies of the games if they don't. I know for a fact I know a large handful of console players that are saying the same thing, but are not on the forums to vocalize their frustration. I don't believe every game can be added to 'game pass', because then then it will become a 'loss' for MS and the associated vendor/development houses.

I think adding the option to opt in, and opt out would be a win for everyone. First, it's not really using any more server room than it is if it's combined, because the segregation volume would work its way out, and if it were it would be very slim. I doubt they'd want to run both a PC and XBONE instances on the same server - but perhaps they are equipped to do so which would make this type of change less costly, and easier. There is however always money in 'time' to test this with their test teams I am sure.

Not saying I would feel this way but there may even be complaints of advertising as cross play just to make it optional in the future. This may also be a risk if people purchased just for this reason. There's a lot for them to think about. But I can't guarantee it wont happen because it's not my project. But I can say I dont believe it will. As always though, we will see what happens. I dont mind playing against other PC gamers. I do it in literally EVERY other PC game I play on a daily basis.

Good proper discussion though. Good luck with whatever game you play!

Appreciate it, and it's okay to agree to disagree. Not everyone will, but at least you aren't rude about it, and we can both walk away with our opinions and decisions for future purchases, etc.

Thanks for not giving me the typical responses that are spewed all over this forum - i have decided to ignore some of them that respond with senseless messages.

To be clear - I'm not leaving SoT, because I purchased the physical copy on xbox (and bought an Xbox just for it), but I hope to see them add the opt out functionality, and refuse to support games the force cross play between console/pc (I would be open to console/console however) in the future. :)

In not trying to be rude. But honestly, you're the first programmer I've talked to that is a gamer and DOESNT game on PC. Just anecdotally lol

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@jjblackhat said in I will never buy another cross platform (pc/console) game again (WHO's WITH ME?):

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@jjblackhat said in I will never buy another cross platform (pc/console) game again (WHO's WITH ME?):

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@jjblackhat Just because you are not good in combat don't use the "There is a disadvantage" excuse.

Just because you are afraid to play with your own kind on level playing fields without advantages over other players.. don't try to point the finger at me for being bad. I do just fine, but you seem to NEED the advantage since it's so important to you that I don't have an option to play with my own kind. Are you scurrrrred of competition?

Give me a break - still not ONE good argument. Only moronic attempts.

I'll give you a good argument for real. No more picking on you.

If we look at games that do not have cross play (overwatch, cod, bf1, etc.) and compare them to SoT we notice a few things. Those other games are 100% made up of pointing and shooting. You are always in the action in a game like overwatch. There isn't downtime from pvp. So, why does this matter?

Adding a separation option would require UI work, server work, and other various system development work. Even for something that seems simple. So now we need to realise that giving any options to segment their community is literally dangerous to their game. While having an advantage on one platform is also dangerous to the game, the danger of this is minimal and not noticed 100% of the time as you are not always in pvp gameplay.

So now you have investment in time, money, AND a risk to dividing the community leading to longer queue times and players leaving the game. It makes more sense from a business perspective to keep it the way it is and deal with the handful of players who cannot handle the disadvantage. This isnt an argument to why it is not needed, this is me explaining to you calmly why it wont ever happen.

Okay, now I am going to respond to you. :)

Adding an option to separate cross platform would not require much other than 'servers'. The UI work in attaching to the API an small option that sends a value to the server, and response back would be minimal. Adding the a 'condition' to determine which servers to load specific accounts to would also be rather simple. Keep in mind I am a programmer and understand the depths of this. However depending on the structures that Rare put in place, this might need to be built from the ground up which means creating a simple class, and calling it in their code, utilize the the condition based on click, etc. Doesn't matter, the fact is this would be far less complex than all of the fixes they just made in the last update. It just costs money creating the segregated servers/switches, etc.

The community should have the choice to play on level grounds. It's not dividing the community, it's allowing the community to have a choice. Allowing players to opt in or opt out would be at their discretion so if you truly believe that more players are for this cross play option than it really would barely effect you, and you can play with your friends. Nothing anyone has presented has been clear on why cross play should exist other than the benefit of having advantages for PC players.

I disagree - I think it will happen, and if enough players voice their opinions and flex their wallets it will happen sooner than you think. Lets go back to when MS tried to bring out the Xbox One as an all digital system - they changed that rather quickly - if you recall. Never say never. Console players have voices too.

I have already made my decision, and it's good to see others feel the same way which is evident in the votes counted on this post.

Hey cool you're a programmer. I'm actually a Business IT Analyst so I get where you're coming from. I'm more on the business side and as you know as a programmer, it comes down to value add activity. This sort of project would cost them more than they would gain. I'd be willing to bet on that one. But I wont try to argue to get you to stay in game. I'm personally on my last leg with it anyway (not a pegleg pun but it should have been LOL) so I get the feeling I really do.

I think that having the option to opt in or opt out will save them money in the future, because I believe they will sell less copies of the games if they don't. I know for a fact I know a large handful of console players that are saying the same thing, but are not on the forums to vocalize their frustration. I don't believe every game can be added to 'game pass', because then then it will become a 'loss' for MS and the associated vendor/development houses.

I think adding the option to opt in, and opt out would be a win for everyone. First, it's not really using any more server room than it is if it's combined, because the segregation volume would work its way out, and if it were it would be very slim. I doubt they'd want to run both a PC and XBONE instances on the same server - but perhaps they are equipped to do so which would make this type of change less costly, and easier. There is however always money in 'time' to test this with their test teams I am sure.

Not saying I would feel this way but there may even be complaints of advertising as cross play just to make it optional in the future. This may also be a risk if people purchased just for this reason. There's a lot for them to think about. But I can't guarantee it wont happen because it's not my project. But I can say I dont believe it will. As always though, we will see what happens. I dont mind playing against other PC gamers. I do it in literally EVERY other PC game I play on a daily basis.

Good proper discussion though. Good luck with whatever game you play!

Appreciate it, and it's okay to agree to disagree. Not everyone will, but at least you aren't rude about it, and we can both walk away with our opinions and decisions for future purchases, etc.

Thanks for not giving me the typical responses that are spewed all over this forum - i have decided to ignore some of them that respond with senseless messages.

To be clear - I'm not leaving SoT, because I purchased the physical copy on xbox (and bought an Xbox just for it), but I hope to see them add the opt out functionality, and refuse to support games the force cross play between console/pc (I would be open to console/console however) in the future. :)

In not trying to be rude. But honestly, you're the first programmer I've talked to that is a gamer and DOESNT game on PC. Just anecdotally lol

When you work on a PC all day long, after work you can't wait to GTF away from it :) I like to hang out on the couch with my girlfriend when I'm not on the stage playing with my band.

Ahhh I get that. I'm the opposite. I got into IT due to my love for PC gaming. Also a musician btw! But that's probably a discussion best left over private message haha

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@jjblackhat I don't know about that. Fable Fortune works just fine as cross play but that's a card game. I would never buy another Rare game though, that's for SURE. These devs have proven themselves to be the ultimate manifestation of toxic devs. Ripping players off by falsely advertising their game and then refusing to do anything to fix the myriad of griefing problems. And yes this game was totally falsely advertised. You watch the dev streams it is mostly PvE and everyone is having fun collecting chests and what have you. If the dev streams showed a lone dev, unable to do anything in PvE, while being repeatedly killed and camped by 4 man galleons all the while being called a N***** and given r**e threats, they would have a much more accurate picture of the game and nobody would have been suckered into buying it. If I had known that it was basically a vehicle for stalking, harassment and trolling I never would have bought this game. But they never showed those things and they refuse to do anything to fix them. As a matter of fact Rare basically condones that behavior and mocks the victims of it, telling people to, "Be more pirate". Yeah. F. U. too Rare.

I don't disagree with everything you're saying but I definitely wouldn't call the devs "toxic".

Have you seen what's going in with Bungie? They have literally trolled players on their forums and basically said our microtransactions will make you "throw money at the screen" during interviews. Rare is nowhere near that yet. There are a lot of issues with the SoT situation but lets be fair.

@jjblackhat when I'm hanging out on the couch I like to pay attention to her, not a video game. But I could be old fashioned. When I game I game (on pc). When I'm with my girl I'm with my girl. 25 years of marriage has proven this works but perhaps the mating rituals of your generation are far different.

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This digital racism is lol

Separate but equal!!

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I'm sure not many people will take on board what a pc player who doesn't even know he can rebind bananas to a key or button has got to say. lol

The second I hit the "Send" button I was so sure somebody couldn't resist to tell me exactly this thing. Didn't think to be passively insulted, especially with a laughable "look I'm not even entitled, I'm even writting "lol" to really show you that I don't care". Seriously, it's still a trend since the 2000's ?

Of course I did bind my keyboard, but not before the situation I just told the sad tales. The default design is still the wheel, it was designed to be that, re-biding keys, while a common use in the PC gaming community, mean the player have to actively do something about it, aka changing it in the option menu.

Not saying it's a hard thing to do, just saying that is not the default system, and definitively not the way the game was designed at the core.

Then again, I don't see how implying that I'm stupid would tell a lot about the so-called PC advantages. It just add more passive-agressive salty posts, which this thread clearly doesn't miss.

I laughed out loud at this:

'Then again, I don't see how implying that I'm stupid would tell a lot about the so-called PC advantages. It just add more passive-agressive salty posts, which this thread clearly doesn't miss.'

Technically there are a lot of advantages for playing on a PC vs Console - none of you PC players seem to understand your own technology - that's pretty sad. Me? I have worked on Massively Online Player Games for years in this industry so I understand the PC very well, and I also understand server clusters and how the request/response systems from Client to Server, and the hardware (another server) in between. I have seen first hand the design spec from Game Developers Conference that Rare used on Sea of Thieves..

So lets stop for a moment, and talk about nuts and bolts, and just answer these questions. Provide your 'technical' answer. I hope all PC players jump in on the action.

Lets start here, at something more simple:

Do you feel like being able to map mouse (navi,etc) or keyboard buttons to items on the scroll menu make it accurate for you to quickly jump between objects or weapons? Us console players have the ability to map two buttons to a the D-pad - that is it. Everything else we need to hold down a trigger button and push in the direction of the object to choose, and if it's something less important it's even another button push away. So you can equip 2 GUNS and and shoot a console player with both guns before that console player can potentially shoot you once. You can also setup a macro and assign that to a button that does it all, and you only have to click the button once! Is that FAIR? What if it were you who had to deal with this? I hear you all complaining about a mouse wheel and Rare already fixed your camera sensitivity in an earlier update, but did nothing for us console players.

Responses such as: 'Get Gud', and 'You can play with a keyboard and mouse on the PC' are not valid responses. You can still only map 2 buttons regardless on a console.

I'm going to use the argument that people use when others complain about too little content for a 60 dollar game.

This game was advertised as cross play. You knew that before you bought it. There were betas and alphas. There were streamers showing it off. So... what were people saying? "Pirate up and deal with it!" Oh yea that's what they said!

So that's your argument against my PERSONAL decision to not support games like this in the future, because I already admitted above that I made a mistake supporting this garbage already? My suggestion was to allow OPT IN or OPT OUT, but PC players are threatened by playing with their own kind. It's comical - you guys must really not like to play on equal grounds - you'd rather always have an advantage so you can feel like you got gud. lol. WOW

Good call on not supporting it. Enjoy your next games forum. May there always be something to complain about! /salute

Alternatively you can wait until August when the next WoW expansion comes out. I bet that will segment this games player base quite a bit. Then you wont have to worry about players with superior hardware. I mean until you come across an xbox player with a better internet connection. Maybe rare should limit bandwidth usage?

What a stupid comment. Are you serious right now? Why are you all so afraid to lose the advantage and play with your own kind, and allow us to opt in and opt out - if your friends want to play with you so bad they will be able to opt in. Why do you feel you being on the PC should have any DECISION in whether or not me being on a CONSOLE should have to play with you or not? You know what, you go change everything about you - stop asking us to. Not one of you have brought a good argument to the table - NOT ONE.

You all have the same childish answers which shows the level of mentality on a PC these days. It's sad that you have to resort to such baby like responses. It's consistent between all of you. FACT is you shouldn't even have a SAY in this because it's not an OPTION that would be in your system, it would be in ours.

But it wont be... ever... they will NOT deliberately separate the player base. And dont pretend that if it were implanted that ALL console players with the exception of ones with friends on PC will continue to play in an unsegmented player base. Sorry my man it just wont happen. Game was advertised as this so adapt or not is on you.

If SoT NEEDS the combined numbers of PC AND XBone players to survive this game is not long for this world anyway.

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@jjblackhat said in I will never buy another cross platform (pc/console) game again (WHO's WITH ME?):

@youe-chester said in I will never buy another cross platform (pc/console) game again (WHO's WITH ME?):

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I'm sure not many people will take on board what a pc player who doesn't even know he can rebind bananas to a key or button has got to say. lol

The second I hit the "Send" button I was so sure somebody couldn't resist to tell me exactly this thing. Didn't think to be passively insulted, especially with a laughable "look I'm not even entitled, I'm even writting "lol" to really show you that I don't care". Seriously, it's still a trend since the 2000's ?

Of course I did bind my keyboard, but not before the situation I just told the sad tales. The default design is still the wheel, it was designed to be that, re-biding keys, while a common use in the PC gaming community, mean the player have to actively do something about it, aka changing it in the option menu.

Not saying it's a hard thing to do, just saying that is not the default system, and definitively not the way the game was designed at the core.

Then again, I don't see how implying that I'm stupid would tell a lot about the so-called PC advantages. It just add more passive-agressive salty posts, which this thread clearly doesn't miss.

I laughed out loud at this:

'Then again, I don't see how implying that I'm stupid would tell a lot about the so-called PC advantages. It just add more passive-agressive salty posts, which this thread clearly doesn't miss.'

Technically there are a lot of advantages for playing on a PC vs Console - none of you PC players seem to understand your own technology - that's pretty sad. Me? I have worked on Massively Online Player Games for years in this industry so I understand the PC very well, and I also understand server clusters and how the request/response systems from Client to Server, and the hardware (another server) in between. I have seen first hand the design spec from Game Developers Conference that Rare used on Sea of Thieves..

So lets stop for a moment, and talk about nuts and bolts, and just answer these questions. Provide your 'technical' answer. I hope all PC players jump in on the action.

Lets start here, at something more simple:

Do you feel like being able to map mouse (navi,etc) or keyboard buttons to items on the scroll menu make it accurate for you to quickly jump between objects or weapons? Us console players have the ability to map two buttons to a the D-pad - that is it. Everything else we need to hold down a trigger button and push in the direction of the object to choose, and if it's something less important it's even another button push away. So you can equip 2 GUNS and and shoot a console player with both guns before that console player can potentially shoot you once. You can also setup a macro and assign that to a button that does it all, and you only have to click the button once! Is that FAIR? What if it were you who had to deal with this? I hear you all complaining about a mouse wheel and Rare already fixed your camera sensitivity in an earlier update, but did nothing for us console players.

Responses such as: 'Get Gud', and 'You can play with a keyboard and mouse on the PC' are not valid responses. You can still only map 2 buttons regardless on a console.

I'm going to use the argument that people use when others complain about too little content for a 60 dollar game.

This game was advertised as cross play. You knew that before you bought it. There were betas and alphas. There were streamers showing it off. So... what were people saying? "Pirate up and deal with it!" Oh yea that's what they said!

So that's your argument against my PERSONAL decision to not support games like this in the future, because I already admitted above that I made a mistake supporting this garbage already? My suggestion was to allow OPT IN or OPT OUT, but PC players are threatened by playing with their own kind. It's comical - you guys must really not like to play on equal grounds - you'd rather always have an advantage so you can feel like you got gud. lol. WOW

Good call on not supporting it. Enjoy your next games forum. May there always be something to complain about! /salute

Alternatively you can wait until August when the next WoW expansion comes out. I bet that will segment this games player base quite a bit. Then you wont have to worry about players with superior hardware. I mean until you come across an xbox player with a better internet connection. Maybe rare should limit bandwidth usage?

What a stupid comment. Are you serious right now? Why are you all so afraid to lose the advantage and play with your own kind, and allow us to opt in and opt out - if your friends want to play with you so bad they will be able to opt in. Why do you feel you being on the PC should have any DECISION in whether or not me being on a CONSOLE should have to play with you or not? You know what, you go change everything about you - stop asking us to. Not one of you have brought a good argument to the table - NOT ONE.

You all have the same childish answers which shows the level of mentality on a PC these days. It's sad that you have to resort to such baby like responses. It's consistent between all of you. FACT is you shouldn't even have a SAY in this because it's not an OPTION that would be in your system, it would be in ours.

But it wont be... ever... they will NOT deliberately separate the player base. And dont pretend that if it were implanted that ALL console players with the exception of ones with friends on PC will continue to play in an unsegmented player base. Sorry my man it just wont happen. Game was advertised as this so adapt or not is on you.

If SoT NEEDS the combined numbers of PC AND XBone players to survive this game is not long for this world anyway.

Annnnnd bingo ladies and gentlemen! That right there is why they wont give an option like other games have.

Its uncanny! It's like, you saw the nail, positioned the head of the hammer over it, and drove it down with the force of Mjölnir.

@zalavaaris Even a blind cat catches a rat every once in awhike. 😉

@ooo-madlax said in I will never buy another cross platform (pc/console) game again (WHO's WITH ME?):

Optional cross-play, is the onlyway to go. As they are simply great differences between the 2 platforms when it comes to controls/options and input responsiveness, not to mention the exploits/hackers that are actively in the game.

"This is just windowscentral 4days after release, about the problems of crossplay"

Mar 24, 2018  /  Xbox

Sea of Thieves already has hackers, offering a compelling case against cross-play

For those who are familiar with PlayerUnknown's Battlegrounds on PC, you're probably aware of the issues the game has with cheaters. It seems that UWP isn't immune either.

I myself have experienced numerous times one or two players that either use micro's or hacks. Generally you will find them at the skull raids.

Another big problem is that the community in-game is generally toxic (unlike the early days in alpha), as the game is incredibly sparse of content or ways to communicate with other ships.
Personally I would like to see some sort of community faction/player groups system, accompanied with visual indicators like flags that you can put on your ship and also have a firm gameplay reason and indication towards the actions that you can take in pvp.

Like a flag that indicates that you are friendly player or a flag that indicates that your hostile. Of course there has to be some sort of way that this is not being misused.

For instance, the ship comes at you with a raised friendly flag, at the moment the ship comes in range you are able to see the flag and your ship also has a raised friendly flag.
Then you two will be unable to capture any treasure from each other and will be considered as the ship friendly will be immune from any kind of damage caused by each other. The way I think about this is like a rock paper scissors,

Friendly flag, Ship vs Friendly flag, Ship = "No PVP with each other"
Your faction flag, Ship vs Your faction flag, Ship = "No PVP with each other"

And perhaps if some of the crew's help you with your quest, they get something extra when you turn it in at outpost, without impacting your gold income. Just a teamwork bonus, like 50% of the crew that is actually doing the quest.

Of course if the ship doesn't have, a flag up or pirate flag it will potentially indicate hostility.

Friendly flag, Ship vs Hostility flag, Ship = "PVP with each other"
Your player faction flag, Ship vs Different player faction flag, Ship = "PVP with each other" unless you both have raised friendly flag

In that last example it's possible that a different player faction can be allied to you in which case = "No PVP with each other"

Similarly vice versa is also possible, you can declare war on different player faction by majority rule in your own player faction.
Majority rule a.k.a. voting either for enemy or ally is the way to go, and in line with the pirate code.

Different player factions that are allied to your player faction are limited to one extra player faction as not destroy pvp aspects with having too many allies.
A similar limitation can be placed on having wars with different player factions but with a higher number, like 3 or so as an example.

Player faction flags will be prioritized when it comes to enemy or ally over friend or hostility flags, meaning even if your ship is running with a friendly flag, but you see enemy player faction coming at you that is also running a friendly flag, you will still be able to attack each other.

I don't know if this is an idea that is interesting to some of you, but I personally would like to meet different players on the sea without shoot first mentality.

Of course this requires a flag sytems, and players being able to create customized player faction flags, that are big enough to be seen when looking for through looking glass.

I got many constructive ideas.

your linked article couldn't sum my feelings up any better, touching on every point i've made for why cross play should be optional. the beaten to death response, "prove you've been hacked", doesn't hold water when displays giving away enemy and treasure locations will never be provable by an opponent. obviously they exist, based on the screen shots in the article. i'm sure rare and ms are well aware of this problem, but they simply can't acknowledge it openly for fear of cratering their sales and player base. i trust that they will be working tirelessly, and spending our xbox gold dollars (you're welcome pc) to minimize this issue.
as far as flags go i'm all for added layers of communication. anything implemented can add to the experience. i don't want to see forced peace however between friendlies or allied flags. who hasn't seen a pirate movie where a ship approaches under a friendly flag, only to raise the skull and crossbones before descending on them? the thrill of doing that, as well as the anxiety of having it done to you, are too good to give up. a rep system would be helpful there, to show who is or isn't trust worthy.

@quietrobot I don't think you understand why consoles exist.

@quietrobot The concept remains the same, that's why it is still successful.

Really can't believe this thread is still going lol. Xbox players still believing they are more handicapped than a quadriplegic because they are using a controller against PC players.

The fact this is even an issue with a anyone is honestly a joke. This game is NOT a competitive shooter. You fight about 25% of the time if you aren't actively searching for a fight.

And on top of that if you are complaining about the 25% where you are fighting that is entirely ON YOU. Work with the tools you are given and get better at the game. Dont blame for your shortcomings. Even if they give these people a option to opt out god knows they'll just find something else to complain about as to why they are playing poorly. Example: Lag, hackers, xbox players with different peripherals, etc. Ever hear the phrase give someone an inch and they'll take a mile? That's exactly what will happen if rare caters to this vocal minority of poorly skilled players. "They let us opt out of crossplay. Let's cry until they give us OG controller opt in as well"

In summary it all comes down to "git gud" I know some people who are godly on a controller but that is all they play and they work on it. If you all spent the amount of time getting better at the game than you do complaining you'd be a pro by now.

@mri1ama said in I will never buy another cross platform (pc/console) game again (WHO's WITH ME?):

Even if they give these people a option to opt out god knows they'll just find something else to complain about as to why they are playing poorly. Example: Lag, hackers, xbox players with different peripherals, etc.

🤣Ha...

You know you're a PC players when you think console players complain about hackers and other peripherals.

It's like a nerdy Jeff Foxworthy joke.

@quietrobot said in I will never buy another cross platform (pc/console) game again (WHO's WITH ME?):

If MS deigns to enable keyboard in console (as it should always exist) what would be the complaint .. to remove users who use controller from those who use the keyboard? In this way who feels hurt, connects a keyboard to your console and solved.

Actually yea, it would be problem solved. I would also love to play Killer Instinct with a PS4 controller....

Ain't ever gonna happen though.