@macabrejam28266 all the time is got tothe point where i carnt get my lvl up get money its stupid.

@macabrejam28266 : "I'm not sick of cancer so cancer cases should not be cured."
That's what would happen if everybody followed your logic. You are and ignorant a**hole.

@jedi-firefly That's my experience too. A death tax would encourage trolls to troll more to REALLY jam a stick into someone's fun factory. I hope they take that into account, then I'd be great with a death penalty if they can make it fair for people being spawn camped and stuff too.

For the record, to me, spawn camping is having someone roll onto your ship then kill you, they won't take your loot, they won't damage your ship, but they just sit there screaming obscenities at you spawn camping you rather then actually taking your booty.

@macabrejam28266 agreed. Yesterday was the first every time (I’ve played since closed beta) I’ve had to run from a galleon. The only reason for this was bc We spent a long time collecting about 20 chickens which we obviously didn’t want to loose. I still isn’t even griefing

@wipe-nd-clean and besides nothing in my post was complaints I know how to deal with those coming after me, but with each death your revive time is the same so they can keep getting themselves killed until they get you (as example crew of 4vs1-2) and your crew. Change the revive timer to go up with each concurrent death and you’ll have less to worry about.

@wipe-nd-clean yea but why scuttle it all the time that gets old and repetitive, I’ve had people raid my ship keep killing me and then leave. Leaving my ship afloat with some damage.

@jon-jr1 you know if you scuttle your ship you respawn away from the griefers? Like a outpost a distance away

@wipe-nd-clean I’ve died from most things now if there was a gold penalty for blowing up with powder kegs I’d be screwed. I like to use them to get rid of griefers I almost always die but their ship sinks lol.

@macabrejam28266 Nope mate my Crew and i are currently loving the game with zero issue on my end

I know I’m a little late to the party and I may have missed this but what if we had it each death takes you longer to come back to life. And a bounty system for pirate crews who are only hunting players. Have the players who died place a bounty with their own gold on the hostile crew and ship, or have the game enact one. Both should have a in game time limit of say two or so game days.

It is for how stupid the death was... for all we know getting griefed results in a 0 coin deduction whereas falling off the crows nest is 50 and the maximum is 100 of a gunpowder blowing up on your ship... wait until we know what the actual penalty is maybe?

@pocket-fox-au I completely agree, but reading that still made me laugh🤣

@joeysav said in No issues with griefing and gold death penalty:

@krankitrogue Yeah i get that the only thing i can think of is just to sink the ship and spawn somehwere else you can do it from the crew menu. Im sure rare will think of something ( but i think the gold death penalty is the worst idea its not punishing that behavior only enabling it further)

even if you spawn somewhere else ive had the luck of seeing the same ship not even 30 mins later all they need to see is your player name and then... yeah youll have a friend(who wants to sink/ruin for awhile) also the spawn from scuttle doesnt always put you in a far enough aera in some zones... that spyglass makes sure of it or well could also be a fresh spawned ship mistaken for the other ship the people were after

still best example i got of a ship had to be the run in of a four man crew when i was solo with nothing thought i was someone else saw i wasnt like had a talk in game confirming that then noticed my ship was empty then preceded to attack my ship kill me i guess drinking was the act of violence they wanted to warrant my death lol but eh i didnt care as i know a galleon is like that in 4v1 but respawned... snuck onto there ship heard my ship sink then used the sleep emote in the captains bed was found... then i ran off and got killed they scuttled the ship they thought i was 2 people

i spawned with in eyesight of there ship before they scuttled and watched it sink ... that spawn system is where players who dont know how to scuttle get hunted just need to have a spyglass and a crows nest to see where they spawn. also got back to where they scuttled before the ship sank fully....

@pocket-fox-au Well, honestly, I actually really like the idea you mentioned at the end their, now that would be some real fun in my opinion whether you meant that to be sarcastic or not! haha anyways man no hostility here I am just having a discussion and want views and opinions of other people! :) and you bring in some great points through your experiences in the game thus far! But in my experience, we have yet to run into 1 kraken nor have I yet to be camped or killed at an outpost, then again I don't know if it is because I play with a group of friends or not, but we don't really see anyone in our voyages. I would say my buddies and I have put in 8 to 10 hours so far since launch, cheers bud :)

I have encountered ONE friendly/social player and every other person has been hostile.
Even sinking my ship and spawn killing when I had no loot, no quest, etc.

You say there's no risk... what????
I had a galleon full of loot with friends, the ship was damaged from previous fights so we had no supplies. Kraken shows up.... well theres 15k of loot we just lost.

No risk right??

Playing solo, have 3 chests, go to deliver them. Go to outpost, no ships so must be ok. Nope, get killed. All 3 chests stolen and cashed in by someone playing the game with a gamepass who has no idea what he is doing. Didnt know he could summon his ship back after it sank. So I lose 3 chests.

No risk right??

Bought a quest for gold, launch it. Begin the quest, almost immediately out of port get attacked by Kraken, get away, another ship comes by as my crew is repairing. They board and kill us, we respawn, ship sinks. Quest I paid gold for is lost.

No risk right??

There's plenty of risk. The game doesn't need to nickel and dime us anymore than it already is. Here's a giggle, if you want risk why not go full derp and let's have it so if you die, your pirate gets deleted, you lose all gold,s items and standing with NPCs get reset to 0.

Too risky??

@krankitrogue Yeah i get that the only thing i can think of is just to sink the ship and spawn somehwere else you can do it from the crew menu. Im sure rare will think of something ( but i think the gold death penalty is the worst idea its not punishing that behavior only enabling it further)

@joeysav I think one of the big concerns is that the surge of toxic players at launch is going to cripple the games population early on. I know several people who are already considering trying to get refunds because they are having a difficult time just getting their ship out of the outpost due to camping crews.

@jedi-firefly Don't worry the game is new the h*******k trolls move around frequently so i expect the trolling to not be too huge of a deal long term . It will never fully go away , but its probably at its peak because of launch . Luckly i haven't had anything happen to myself i only pvp when its a mutual thing, im not going to attack a solo person when im with 3 other people and feel like i just accomplished something significant, if i want to pvp i want it to be fair and fun.

@krankitrogue ya thats a good alteration, it would really add to that whole welcome to the sea of thieves idea you were mentioning. It would also be less likely that new login be trample by experienced players and getting deterred from their new game before even finding the first chest.

@z0mbiem3rc 2 birds one stone. the borders of the map are huge and if people are so set on trolling that they patrol the borders, that keeps them out of the middle so everyone else can play the game (somewhat more peacefully) :D

@krankitrogue that’s an idea, the only issue I see with it is if you spawn in on an anchored ship at sea, especially for new or solo players, is that you introduce the chances of them spawning in line of sight or next to passing ships making them possible targets for the predators that roam the sea. I still think it better than spawning at the outpost though. Great thinking.

@macabrejam28266 theres other ways to add risk then punishing everyone the only progession in game at the moment is cosmetic and as someone who would like to collect as much as possible the thought of loosing money from dying just seems like the easy way out instead of adding something actually interesting. I just posted this before , but what if im with my friends and were just all having fun and i want to jump off a high cliff to see if ill live or if i can make the jump, nope not gonna do that might just loose an hours worth of playtime progression instead of having fun , see where im going ? This isnt the way to fix the problems people are having ( im not one of these people ) or the best way to "spice things up". The game does have risk just because you're not seeing it doesn't mean it's not there. Everytime me and my friends do the skeleton forts we usually get into pvp ( as intended) thats a huge amount of gold that were fighting for (luckily we haven't lost, but id be ok with loosing because it adds to the fun) now on top of that if i die and loose the treasure from the fort to another group im going to loose gold for dying too ? You think its a good idea , but trust me youll be complaining about it as soon as anyone else in no time. All this will do is add to people trolling with no impact on the person trolling. The balance is good right now, maybe they could add more value to cargo we're transporting to add more risk , but taking money for dying is a stupid and lazy way to go about it .

@macabrejam28266 said in No issues with griefing and gold death penalty:

@dadyoman I see what you are getting at, maybe the gold per death isn't going about it the right way, but what should we do? I would agree to have some outposts be safe zones to be able to interact with other players in a friendly way to make the world more engaging and alive, as I see it every person is KoS and all the towns are usually empty, maybe a banking system so you don't just carry around all your gold as well and you can only die with what you have on hand? I am having a lot of fun with this game and are open to discussion on how to improve it! it is fun talking in forums :) I would love to see more risk vs reward in this game though which I think is lacking pretty hard at them moment.

i would side with making a friendly outpost but only if you can pick up missions there but not being able turn in anything there so much as take a paying item there you lose it and no one else can get it.. its just gone(taken for port fee/operations? idk).

but for that outpost to be valid gold hoarders and order of souls would need to be the only two factions there and only for getting bountys/missions
since i wouldn't see a merchant faction wanting to set up in a pirate cove(not outpost big difference here) would be the only reason to not include them also so people wont try to swipe your animal/goods cages boxes

it would make for a fair place but sure some people would try to abuse the safe area to make unfair fights or attack from outside the area... but... uh what would they gain? other than wasting supplies and no treasure plus most people who would go there id assume would be trying to at least be friendly with out a fear of a fight sure it may happen on the waters outside the area as you leave but thats the risk of open ocean

sure there would be trolls but usally a greifer doesnt have good luck if people who respect this kind of stuff are there they'd gang up on the bully so to say. (most cases specially since they dont have anything to get from one another in this idea of mine, not to say there are those who wont fit that idea.)

@z0mbiem3rc I think everyone should get spawned in their ship anchored out at a random point close to the edge of the map. It could make lore sense as well (just say you are a new pirate sailing in from distant lands). From there you could sail to the nearest outpost and hopefully no one is camping it. It might be a pain but I know a lot of people are deadset against any type of safezone so this could be somewhat of a solution that gets around that.