@sc-leg3nd one thing I can think of is..
Most games can anticipate the kind of volume they'll have due to pre order numbers. It could be Rare grossly underestimated how many people would get the game through Gamepass, something that couldn't be estimated. Since it is the first game to go on gamepass at release.
Hard to predict that.
@lumpaywk
Okay show me where they promised that they were going to have a game that had no bugs that worked perfectly at launch...( this is where I stop you because you can't)
You're obviously not old enough to understand how computers and programming works. Did Xbox ever promise you a perfectly working Xbox the minute that it was sold to you? No because Xbox has updates constantly making repairs to its OS. The same with every other computer program that's out there. That's why there's version numbers. because it tells what version it is based on how many updates has had, how many changes and fixes. Show me a program or game that's version 1.0 that's never had a fix. ( let me stop you there because you can't)
Even the house you live in has a warranty so that it can be fixed because something might not have been done right. Nobody guarantees a perfect product ever. That's why companies will say if our product ever fails you send it back and we will replace it or fix it.
So get over your delusions of perfection and pay attention to what is being said.
@voodoo-ic0n said in Worst game launch I think I've ever seen:
@lumpaywk
Okay show me where they promised that they were going to have a game that had no bugs that worked perfectly at launch...( this is where I stop you because you can't)You're obviously not old enough to understand how computers and programming works. Did Xbox ever promise you a perfectly working Xbox the minute that it was sold to you? No because Xbox has updates constantly making repairs to its OS. The same with every other computer program that's out there. That's why there's version numbers. because it tells what version it is based on how many updates has had, how many changes and fixes. Show me a program or game that's version 1.0 that's never had a fix. ( let me stop you there because you can't)
Even the house you live in has a warranty so that it can be fixed because something might not have been done right. Nobody guarantees a perfect product ever. That's why companies will say if our product ever fails you send it back and we will replace it or fix it.
So get over your delusions of perfection and pay attention to what is being said.
You dont need to specifically state a product will work for you to expect it to work when you buy it. Things do go wrong and they get fixed yes. Its like when you buy a car you expect it to be able to drive. If it doesn't you expect it to be fixed. Its getting fixed does not mitigate it being a bad start to your car purchase. Nobody is saying the game will not be fixed we are saying this is one hell of a messed up launch and the facts speak for themselves.
Your do know that a warranty is a guarantee and that's why it gets replaced lol I am unsure what your trying to say with that line but you basically said "nobody guarantees anything that's why you get a guarantee" Um what?!?!?
Just for your info I still consider myself to be quite young but at 35 and 15 years working in the IT industry I am sure I am qualified enough to comment thank you.
@inbred-chimera said in Worst game launch I think I've ever seen:
A pub opened some years ago. Big deal, a LOT of people showed up. Max capacity was 350 and about 300 people showed. It was rammo. They ran out of beer and cans by 10pm. This was a nightclub in a dense urban area. 10pm. Place hobbled on savings for a year before closing down. Never saw more than 100 people in there after that first night.
Point of my story? They could have stored some extra beer in preparation. I've hear of companies renting extra server space when launching games or at peak periods. For some reason rare was not prepared.
Does make you wonder what they did during the scale tests and if they learnt anything from them and more to the point what they did with what they learnt?
@lumpaywk
A warranty is not a guarantee. A warranty is insurance. Insurance is protection for an item in case something goes wrong.
when companies warranty an item they are saying the item should work but if something fails the warranty will cover the cost to replace or fix the item. It is not a guarantee that's the item will work perfectly.
I'm a mechanic and I know that not all cars will work perfectly off the assembly line. 1 in 10 cars are a lemon even though it is assembled the same way as every other car. The company warranties the car so that if anything goes wrong it will automatically be replaced. It doesn't guarantee the car will work perfectly.
If you really worked IT then you should know better and you would not be saying what you're saying.
If you think the release of a product is the company's way of saying that it is guaranteeing perfect product and should not need any fixes.... then you are lying about your age and your job or you have no grip on reality.
@voodoo-ic0n wow just wow
"warranty: "a written guarantee promising to repair or replace an article if necessary within a specified period." ... A warranty is a type of guarantee; in the case of a product guarantee/product warranty, it's basically the same thing - the company undertakes to repair or replace your goods if they go wrong."
The reason you swap it is because you have to guarantee your product will work that's literally what it is. While as you said things go wrong this does not mean that we should consider it a good experience when its finally rectified as it should be in most places under law).
@lumpaywk
Go back to what I wrote before about Red Dead Redemption and Grand Theft Auto online back when it came out on the 360. The problems that this game is having is a f**t in the wind which means it's small and gets taken care of fast. If you take the time to watch the last video they put out where it explains pretty much why they're having the problems with login issues and was delayed items coming back to you after you turn in a treasure chest it's all about information flowing and the clog of information coming back. Again someone in IT should understand that. And every game that has come out as a multiplayer game in the past decade has had Day One issues. And quite a few have been way worse than this. I've gotten on and I've played the game and yes there have been little issues here and there and they've all been solved. Either by staying in and waiting for the resolution to take place or simply by logging out, waiting a little bit and logging back in. And I've still had hours of enjoyment from the game play of this game but with the other games like I mentioned earlier as far as Red Dead Redemption in Grand Theft Auto I went whole weeks without being able to play it because it was so broken. And now you're trying to act as if this game is comparable to those games and how broken they were this is nothing and nothing to cry about either.
@voodoo-ic0n said in Worst game launch I think I've ever seen:
@lumpaywk
Go back to what I wrote before about Red Dead Redemption and Grand Theft Auto online back when it came out on the 360. The problems that this game is having is a f**t in the wind which means it's small and gets taken care of fast. If you take the time to watch the last video they put out where it explains pretty much why they're having the problems with login issues and was delayed items coming back to you after you turn in a treasure chest it's all about information flowing and the clog of information coming back. Again someone in IT should understand that. And every game that has come out as a multiplayer game in the past decade has had Day One issues. And quite a few have been way worse than this. I've gotten on and I've played the game and yes there have been little issues here and there and they've all been solved. Either by staying in and waiting for the resolution to take place or simply by logging out, waiting a little bit and logging back in. And I've still had hours of enjoyment from the game play of this game but with the other games like I mentioned earlier as far as Red Dead Redemption in Grand Theft Auto I went whole weeks without being able to play it because it was so broken. And now you're trying to act as if this game is comparable to those games and how broken they were this is nothing and nothing to cry about either.
The fact other games had issues actually makes this worse! they should of looked at those launches and said "how can we avoid this" Again nobody is saying they will not be fixed!!! I don't get where your getting this idea from. What we are saying is the launch is messed up and there is huge issues. Are you saying there is not issues at all? Because you seem to just be arguing for the sake of it. Either way my shift is over, so i'm gonna go get some sleep then see if i can log in and play the game.
@lumpaywk
Your reading comprehension is horrible go back and reread the definition of warranty.
A warranty is a guarantee that the item will be fixed. not a guarantee that the item will be working and will not need to be fixed.
Warranties are more like insurance. Just like your health insurance. it's not a guarantee that you will be perfectly healthy. It's an acknowledgement that if something goes wrong that it will be taken care of.
@lumpaywk
I can't even, anymore.... you're reading comprehension is just so awful and you have unrealistic expectations. for everybody's sake just stop complaining, it's needless... then take what you know about the failures of all day one game launches and go make your own game and prove that you can have a successful launch with no issues... cuz I'd stake my life that you can't so you shouldn't complain.
If you can't do it better then your complaints are invalid.
@ismorky I remember my worst game launch. The game was called world of Warcraft, haven't played it 5 years. I wonder how it does today.
@lumpaywk Warranties doesnt really exist in the game industry do they? One could debate wordchoices over and over. But in comparison with other similar online games, this start cant even be classified as bad.
Its unfortunate that there are issues that prevents people from playing. I have basically been able to play all the time Ive tried, had some matchmaking issues but it never stopped me from actually getting in after a few tries. I did experience my items now showing, a relog resolved that. I did experience seeing 0 gold unable to purchase voyages, selling 1 item from another persons voyage resolved that.
Noone is saying this launch has been exceptional, Im sure there are examples of smoother launches out there. However Op declared this as "the worst launch ever" which is so far from the truth it is just silly. What we have been going through, unfortunately, is basically what is to be expected with today big titles.
Its the same with software such as Android and iOS and whatever, when a big new update hits youre going to see issues and some of them are always facepalm worthy but it seems to always happen anyway, because the advanced software needs a full release to sort out the issues that the Betas was not able to discover. This is basically common knowledge for any gamer or person in the software industry.
I am just thankful that they actually posted a video discussing the issues. So many developers never communicate s**t... Thumbs up Rare!
Every successful game I have ever played since WoW back in the early 2000's had launch issues. Yes, this is 2018, still, these events aren't 'perfect' science.
As an engineer I know how hard it is to 'calculate' the amount of packages there will come in/go out during launchweek on the serverside due to the amount of users.
I think Rare is managing well and communicating on a healthy level. Hold on, give them some slack, I trust them.
@lumpaywk
I can't even, anymore.... you're reading comprehension is just so awful and you have unrealistic expectations. for everybody's sake just stop complaining, it's needless... then take what you know about the failures of all day one game launches and go make your own game and prove that you can have a successful launch with no issues... cuz I'd stake my life that you can't so you shouldn't complain.
@ohrstrom said in Worst game launch I think I've ever seen:
@lumpaywk Warranties doesnt really exist in the game industry do they? One could debate wordchoices over and over. But in comparison with other similar online games, this start cant even be classified as bad.
Its unfortunate that there are issues that prevents people from playing. I have basically been able to play all the time Ive tried, had some matchmaking issues but it never stopped me from actually getting in after a few tries. I did experience my items now showing, a relog resolved that. I did experience seeing 0 gold unable to purchase voyages, selling 1 item from another persons voyage resolved that.
Noone is saying this launch has been exceptional, Im sure there are examples of smoother launches out there. However Op declared this as "the worst launch ever" which is so far from the truth it is just silly. What we have been going through, unfortunately, is basically what is to be expected with today big titles.
Its the same with software such as Android and iOS and whatever, when a big new update hits youre going to see issues and some of them are always facepalm worthy but it seems to always happen anyway, because the advanced software needs a full release to sort out the issues that the Betas was not able to discover. This is basically common knowledge for any gamer or person in the software industry.
I am just thankful that they actually posted a video discussing the issues. So many developers never communicate s**t... Thumbs up Rare!
i wasnt the one thatcsaid abiut warranty i just corrected a guy that did, over an analogy that he couldnt seem to comprehend. also note i am not the op i just comented thatvthe launch was a disaster and the fact its being discussed proves that point.
while you will always get a few teething issues, the issues this game has seen are quite big! nobody is saying they are not doing a good job orcthat its not getting fixed but to outright deny there was an issue is insanity.
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@inbred-chimera said in Worst game launch I think I've ever seen:
A pub opened some years ago. Big deal, a LOT of people showed up. Max capacity was 350 and about 300 people showed. It was rammo. They ran out of beer and cans by 10pm. This was a nightclub in a dense urban area. 10pm. Place hobbled on savings for a year before closing down. Never saw more than 100 people in there after that first night.
Point of my story? They could have stored some extra beer in preparation. I've hear of companies renting extra server space when launching games or at peak periods. For some reason rare was not prepared.
@oneeyedkillah said in Worst game launch I think I've ever seen:
Its pretty rough, but at least it wasn't right at midnight last night, and a lot got in and could play and stay in. The Diablo 3 launch was worse I think, the error 37 cause pretty much no one to be able to play for hours right directly at launch.
I would love to know exactly what went wrong, if it was a bug or if scale predictions were too low but its frustrating for sure.
I am from australia and the launch went fine, no drop outs or disconnections, got straight into the game with no issues.
been playing for 2 days with no issues now.keep in mind that when it dropped in NewZealand first hundreds and thousands of US people resorted to VPN's and other means to get the game which would have totally stuffed up the plans for the roll out and caused majoy chaos.
so before blaming rare, blame your fellow impatient pirates who just HAD to have the game when in launched in NZ and overloaded the servers
That logic would work if the servers crashed during the NZ launch. But they didn't crash until the normal US launch.
@lumpaywk Noone of sound mind would "outright deny" that there was and still are issues. But this launch surely wasnt a disaster, atleast not if you compare it to many launches of other comparable games. But sure, everyone would have preferred things to go smoother.
But for me, after the final beta, I knew there would be similar issues such as delayed rewards at launch. It didnt surprise me nor does it qualify as a disaster in my eyes.
You wrote in another post that other games having launch issue and for example Rare not learning from this makes it worse. Its not really fair to say that, as every game has its own code and will therefor behave in a unique way under stress.
Some things you simply cant learn before a proper launch and to expect a launch at this level with these advanced games without any hiccups or unforeseen consequences is, atleast in my eyes, both naive and rather silly.
In a perfect world there would not be launches that felt like it was a game that wasnt fully complete, but I cant remember the last time I installed and played a major title on launch and felt that the developers had covered all their bases. I think this is just reality and you either come to terms with it, or do as a lot of other people do, you dont buy games at launch you wait for a while to have kinks fixed and possibly score a good deal on the purchase in addition.
