That it will, that it will.

@crimsonraziel lol no I did not. I certainly wasn't trying to necro anything. I only look at "recent posts" and when I responded last night this thread was at the top of that list and only showed 19 responses...weird. guess it'll get locked now anyway ;)

@antagoni-blurr You do realize it's a 5 month old post you're responding to?

@dewradley said in What is griefing in Sea of Thieves?:

@gholin said in What is griefing in Sea of Thieves?:

@dewradley I'd also say killing a guy over and over again even when there is no treasure gain for the killer and the killer knows it, is griefing. it's toxic. You might be able to scuttle, but that doesn't change the fact the player killing the other is being toxic.

It's pvp not griefing. Sorry but some people want to just fight in this game for any reason. That's there perogative and their right to do so. Someone is always going to be on the losing end of that. If you're upset about it then that's more of a player's personal problem. Not everyone is going to want to play the game the same way you do. In the end you make the choice to either respect their actions or be over sensitive about it.

This is the entire problem with your own argument. First - griefing is by definition using game mechanics to gain an advantage over someone and prevent them from enjoying the game. So your argument that "the game lets you do it" is self-defeating. Second, and here is the important part - YOU SAID, not everyone is going to want to play the game the same way you do. I see this argument from PVP/griefers all the time defending their actions. Well guess what? "Not everyone wants to play the game the way you do." So maybe you shouldn't assume your way is the "correct" way to play this game, and understand that other people don't want to be hassled by your shenanigans. Sink someone, steal their loot, no prob. Find out they have no treasure and sit and spawn camp them? You're a griefer and part of the problem. End of story. No amount of your opinion, nor how often you repeat your position, makes it fact. Just because you say it isn't griefing doesn't make it so.

This is an old and ancient thread, but it came up when I searched for information on griefing, so here's my definition of griefing:

Let's say you're a Twitch partner, and livestreaming is your full-time job. You befriend a crew for the purpose of running skeleton ship achievements, and they are friendly and talk about their own small livestreams which they do for fun (but they might be interested in making a run at being an affiliate or partner someday, which is cool!).

What you do instead is wait until they've gotten the achievement, then blow them up and sink their boat, and you and your audience laughs about it, and you go to their livestreams to clip and rebroadcast their reactions.

Twitch

Twitch is the world's leading video platform and community for gamers.

Now you're making IRL money off of other people!

That, I think, is griefing on the Sea of Thieves.

@atyoss I must have missed the "Be a d**k on the open seas" promo.

Please report Crypt V1p3r he uses his own text in the game and also takes chests and throws them over board please keep the community clean

@hot-juicy-pie Everybody is free to chase you for more than a hour, if he wants to pvp and takes your treasure he got nothing to lose. This is the way they sold SOT, it's not my point of view, this is the nature of the game.

@princes-lettuce a dit dans What is griefing in Sea of Thieves? :

Ugh another "You know what I did about it? I got over it and continued to enjoy the game." post. Congratulations.

The point is: there are a lot of people who feel like such things ruin the game for them. Maybe it's okay for you, but you saying "I"m ok with it" doesn't change the way those other people feel. Half of the people who play SOT do so with a game pass, many using a 14-day trial. (link here) Rare will lose many players unless they please this huge group that feels bullied. Whether Rare chooses to do so or not.. that's up to them, not us. But this forum is a place where people can share their opinion on how they think the game could be improved. So when players want to complain about griefing and outpost camping, why not let them?

Also, don't forget: I know a lot of pro-pvpers don't want to split up the player base because they would miss the other players, but they will be missed anyway because they will simply stop playing.

I'm happy for you that you enjoy the game, and honestly most of the time I do too, but that doesn't solve the problem for those who don't.

Like i said just before, for me Rare sold SOT as a pirate pvp/pve mmo, those who complain are maybe on the wrong game, i like sot this way and i don't want it to be changed to the Teletubbies's experience.

No such thing as griefing in SoT.

Chasing is one thing, but if you're literally chasing me non stop for over an hour, I'd say it's harassment at that point.

Ugh another "You know what I did about it? I got over it and continued to enjoy the game." post. Congratulations.

The point is: there are a lot of people who feel like such things ruin the game for them. Maybe it's okay for you, but you saying "I"m ok with it" doesn't change the way those other people feel. Half of the people who play SOT do so with a game pass, many using a 14-day trial. (link here) Rare will lose many players unless they please this huge group that feels bullied. Whether Rare chooses to do so or not.. that's up to them, not us. But this forum is a place where people can share their opinion on how they think the game could be improved. So when players want to complain about griefing and outpost camping, why not let them?

Also, don't forget: I know a lot of pro-pvpers don't want to split up the player base because they would miss the other players, but they will be missed anyway because they will simply stop playing.

I'm happy for you that you enjoy the game, and honestly most of the time I do too, but that doesn't solve the problem for those who don't.

I agree, PVP is not griefing, even if you get chased forever it's not griefing, it's juste someone who want to kill you and stole your treasures, that's the heart of the game. Everything the game allow you to do to others players is by definition not griefing, the last update gave us the option to scuttle our own ship and was the answer to the only "griefing" move wich can be defined like toxic (spawnkilling without even steal or see some treasure and without sinking the boat....).

1 month ago a galleon chased us to outpost, attacked us and drown our ship juster after we sold everything, i was still alive when they decided to leave, they then stopped near the outpost because there was a wreck, i sneaked on their ship, hide behind the captain's room and while they were navigating, i threw all their skulls/chests into the sea (something like 10+ skulls and 5-6 chests) i maybe a dirty b*****d but i took so much fun to do this, and from my pov, it's not griefing, it's just pirating.

@dewradley
So 1st of all I don't think PvP is griefing.

All kind of behavior people call griefing is nullified by saying it's a game mechanic. Isn't tossing your own treasure to sea and sinking your own ship also game mechanic? Or killing npc creatures? Why am I not allowed to toss my own treasure? It's just pirate like behavior when you like to rebel against rest of the crew!

If something can't be griefing just because it's core mechanic then being annoying and ruining galleon games can't be griefing.

@dewradley

When someone runs away from me when I’m trying to sink them, that’s griefing.

@dewradley I don't think you know what griefing really is, so you think that if an enemy crew keeps chasing you down and killing you isn't griefing? And you're saying griefing is only something that happens from teammates? Most of the player base in this game are griefers from my personal experience. You either need to add a passive mode on an enemy crew so they can't continue to chase you down over and over again. Also, tell me how you change servers on Xbox, because I've quit to main menu and relogged in and by my surprise the same crew spawns in my server/game. Oh what that? You want me to block every player that is toxic because you couldn't add simple features to stop real griefing? No of course you didn't. Ps. Also the rigging on the ships are completely wrong, may wanna actually go sailing to find out.

Posting this here because it's getting a little old seeing posts that constantly conflate any kind of PvP with griefing. OP brings up some good points that people should try to be more aware of.

This video highlights the issue of spawn-camping. Some spawn-camping is certainly griefing, but a lot of 'spawn-camping' (and I would argue most that occurs in the game) is NOT griefing.

Here's an example: https://www.twitch.tv/videos/243533832

In this example, our crew was headed to an island for a voyage, and there was a sloop that likely had treasure already there. Of course, being pirates, we engaged because 1) treasure, 2) we wanted to do our voyage safely. In order to accomplish this, we needed to sink their ship so they wouldn't respawn forever. Because of complications, that required us to 'spawn-camp' their boat until we could get holes into their vessel.

Something tells me by the rude voice-chat we received in return, these guys didn't understand that we weren't trying to grief them, but merely save our own treasure.

Anyway, I post this because I think most instances where players feel like they are being griefed by 'spawn-camping' are not actually instance of griefing, and rather players trying to respectfully PvP effectively while protecting their own crew, ship, and treasure.

@jarofpeachz said in What is griefing in Sea of Thieves?:

@ser-pineapples I've seen posts that have said the spawning mechanics have changed during the final beta, but i would say during the stress tests a galleon crew camping a sloop and spawn killing the person but keeping the ship intact would be considered griefing. or at the very least unsportsman like.

That's why you can scuttle the ship.

@maj0r-w00ds said in What is griefing in Sea of Thieves?:

There's a difference between being a good pirate & being a menace to society, aka a griefer. Even pirates have a code of ethics. People who wait for others around outposts so they can repeatedly spawn kill them, steal all their loot, & keep spawn killing them until their ship disappears are pure s**m. There needs to be a system in place to protect outposts & the people using them. Otherwise this game is going to turn into a c**p shoot, where only the scummiest of people play it, bc it's no fun for anyone else.

Actually the challenge of getting past someone camping an outpost is fun. Without those types the game would be too easy and then you'd be on the forums complaining the game is boring. I doubt devs at rare didn't forsee people camping outposts. Most likely they were fully aware that this would happen in game and didn't put any restrictions from doing so. They said no safe zones in the game many times which further leads me to believe that this is behaviour they predicted. This game is based on player interactions. I'm sure the company expected there would be a few people trying that tactic. Best to learn how to deal with the situation rather than complain about it. There are children that will play this game and will be less upset about people camping outposts.

There's a difference between being a good pirate & being a menace to society, aka a griefer. Even pirates have a code of ethics. People who wait for others around outposts so they can repeatedly spawn kill them, steal all their loot, & keep spawn killing them until their ship disappears are pure s**m. There needs to be a system in place to protect outposts & the people using them. Otherwise this game is going to turn into a c**p shoot, where only the scummiest of people play it, bc it's no fun for anyone else.

@booogieboy said in What is griefing in Sea of Thieves?:

@dewradley Those kid's have already heard every common rasict slur and most "curse" words at school or on YouTube. Trying to protect them from the "naughty" words before the internet blew up was already silly but now it's just ridiculous. I don't need to use the "naughty" words to have a good time but not using them means I'm making sure I'm not which means I can't just let loose and talk freely.

There is a difference I'm trying to point out though. Having chat that is seasoned with a couple curse words seems fine to me.

Flaming the chat where all you say is derogatory/racist comments littered with swear words throughout as punctuation is the other extreme.

There is a difference between using a curse word or two and using the worst kind of language to make someone feel like c**p.

If you hear me on chat I'll probably drop an F bomb from time to time. Might even tell a dirty joke if I know my audience. You won't catch me flaming someone to make them feel bad about themselves.

Seems common sense to me.

@declandarkwater said in What is griefing in Sea of Thieves?:

@dewradley You always have the option to just scuttle your ship if players are doing that to you.

I'm not complaining lol. There are lots of options to get out of situations even without scuttling a ship. I haven't had a complaint with the games pvp system in any way. I'm just flabbergasted with how many people complain about griefing in the game. This post is more or less telling those types to get over it.

@ohrstrom
Did you seriously just compare video game misplay with rl sexual harrasement and assault of women??

@dewradley

I think it would be cool to have another quest type in which you patrol outpost waters and defend "traders" i.e. Other pirates coming to trade in their gear. You get rep as a pirate outpost defender but it still allows rogues to camp outpost waters in hopes of stealing gear. This way you can play that strategy but other players also have a heavy incentive of taking you out

Just an idea

@dewradley You always have the option to just scuttle your ship if players are doing that to you.