@a-cranky-eskimo said in Just deal with the greifing...:

@rudeverb I agree that crew trolling is more an actual problem, but no, voicing a complaint about harrassment isn’t always valid. People can play victim to get whatever reaction they want in today’s society, it’s like a plague. Designing the game around these complaints would kill the core concept of the game.

They should always be heard, but aren’t always valid, if that’s what you mean. If they aren’t valid telling the player to put in some effort or stop being overly sensitive isn’t a bad route. Weakness of mind or body because of lack of effort isn’t something to be protected or catered to. I know this is just a game but it still applies on some level, whether or not most people ever realize it in their lifetime. It’s better to get beat up once and learn to defend yourself rather than cry about the person who did it, as valid as the opinion may be, if these players want the solutions it starts with them.

I have motivational issues irl and As much as I hate that finding a solution is up to the person with the problems attitude more than anything else, it’s true.

Reread it and respond to anything besides the one part that was a general concept not specific to the topic. And don’t leave out the “because of lack of effort” part and quote me out of context ever again please lol.. also said “I know this is just a game” after that example. And “as valid as the complaint may be” I’m talking about players solving the problem for themselves to some degree, and never said complaints shouldn’t be heard, but again rare can’t just magically make people play nice. The opinion of what trolling is varies and some people may want to adjust their opinion on both ends of the spectrum, not speaking about you specifically.

@rudeverb I never said call them weak. Clearly you don’t understand my post at all. And never said get good or anything like that, but god forbid anyone suggests the solution to being harassed is to not let it happen again, learn to be aware of a person on your crew who grabs a barrel and goes below decks, and brig them, im talking about the majority of pve whiners not rascist or bigots or trolls on your crew. The OP seemed to be more about these pvers than harassment.

@a-cranky-eskimo What are you talking about? Weakness of mind and body? We are talking about harassment and what to do about it, personally i don't think calling the people being harassed weak makes any sense at all. What sort of motivation do you need to stop a team mate from repeatedly dropping anchor or bringing a powder keg aboard and sinking your ship? Why does this keep coming down to "get good at game" seriously we are talking about harassment plan and simple, people are not coming for your cannons.

I have only encountered griving once; it was in the form of spawn camping.

I was playing solo and a galleon engaged me near an island. One of there crew managed to board my sloop and kill me. I didn't have any chest or anything else of value so I wasn't too concerned. I respawned on my boat only to be killed again instantly.

How did I deal "deal with the griving..."?

I scuttled my sloop a few moments before respawning again. Once I respawned in the water I saw the fellow who had boarded and killed me twice swimming away from me. So I started to swim after him. He never noticed he was being chased. Their galleon came to pick him up and I managed to sneak on board right behind him without being noticed...

I went straight to their captian's quarters where I found sooo many chests. I knew there was no way I could win a fight against 4 of them and I didn't have a way to steal their treasure for myself...so I decided to grieve the grievers...I brought every single chest they had (it had to be 8-10 of them) to the balcony that wraps around the captain's quarters and then chucked every last one of them into the sea.

A couple of minutes after I unburdened their ship they stopped at an island (presumably on the next leg of their voyage) where I made a suicide run at them. I didn't manage to kill any of them (nor did I really expect to); I really did it so I could get back to the mermaid. But I had exacted my revenge.

That whole encounter probably cost me 10 minutes of my time....God only knows how much of their time I tossed into the ocean.

I wouldn't have done it if they had just killed me once, raided my supplies, and left....But they spawn killed me.

That is how I deal with grivers.

@sloth-demon-685 said in Just deal with the greifing...:

@timidobserver Turn randoms into friends and BOOM you've stopped playing with randoms and have a long term crew.
(If they stick with the game, that is)

That can work in some situations where there is a misunderstanding, but when you get instantly brigged, puke bucketed, and pelted with profanity over the mic, friendship probably isn't going to happen.

@timidobserver except there is no solution for that. If you play with randoms you’ll always have the threat of playing with jerks.

It sucks but it’s a fact.

No matter what mechanic you add or take out there will always be people like that. And more so right now considering it’s a beta and most people are bored trying to find ways to entertain themselves

@knightx13 u cant compare it with real life pirates and if i see an other pirate i will kill him over and over....

@timidobserver Turn randoms into friends and BOOM you've stopped playing with randoms and have a long term crew.
(If they stick with the game, that is)

@toastywrath said in Just deal with the greifing...:

@timidobserver sounds like you need better friends man or to stop playing with randoms. I’d be pretty upset too if that happened consistently. Being trolled by your own crew members is kind of an issue sometimes and is far more upsetting than the other complaints I’ve seen

I don't think that "stop playing with randoms" is a good long-term solution for the problem, given that hundreds of thousands of people are going to be buying the game and playing with randoms soon.

@rudeverb I agree that crew trolling is more an actual problem, but no, voicing a complaint about harrassment isn’t always valid. People can play victim to get whatever reaction they want in today’s society, it’s like a plague. Designing the game around these complaints would kill the core concept of the game.

They should always be heard, but aren’t always valid, if that’s what you mean. If they aren’t valid telling the player to put in some effort or stop being overly sensitive isn’t a bad route. Weakness of mind or body because of lack of effort isn’t something to be protected or catered to. I know this is just a game but it still applies on some level, whether or not most people ever realize it in their lifetime. It’s better to get beat up once and learn to defend yourself rather than cry about the person who did it, as valid as the opinion may be, if these players want the solutions it starts with them.

I have motivational issues irl and As much as I hate that finding a solution is up to the person with the problems attitude more than anything else, it’s true.

@sloth-demon-685 said in Just deal with the greifing...:

@dutchdeadschot
Personally man. I don't think theres such thing as "Griefing"
People on here just like to call "PvP", "Griefing".

Thats why I chose the term

There very much is a difference between "Griefing" and "PvP", and that difference is centered around the attitude and intent of how you engage with other players.

Encountering and engaging other crews and players in combat, whether that is for glory or gold, is fine and an intentional and necessary part of the PvP aspects of this game.

Verbally abusing, repeatedly spawn killing and harassing/stalking the same crew over and over for no apparent gain other than to make that other crew's experience miserable, and abusing the brig, are most certainly "Griefing". Being a "Pirate" is not carte blanche for abusing other players, nor should it be synonymous with griefing. This runs counter to the intent of the game as envisioned by the developers, and goes against the Code. You can be an active PvP'er and still be respectful of other players.

In fact, historically speaking, true pirates very seldom were overly violent with other crews, as they knew that if their reputation proceeded them as being ruthless that ships would fight harder and not surrender their goods as readily, and they often subsumed the other crew into their own or let them go.

@sloth-demon-685 said in Just deal with the greifing...:

Okay, I know most people are getting sick of the griefing. I've seen people on here who've stated that they aren't getting the game after a few bad encounters in their first beta.

Look, people are bored.
Some of us have been playing since alpha and love the game. But there is very little to do right now other than PvP. The old timers have seen every island, every puzzle, every skeleton, every rock, a thousand times already. The only interesting thing left to do is attack other players, and its fun.

But I can guarantee that once the game comes out, almost all of the griefing will die off. People will be to busy grinding for gold and exploring the actual game to mess with you. It will get better, don't worry.

There IS hope.

Edit: Personally I don't care too much about griefing, doesn't effect me really. This is just for the players who cant hold their own and are having troubles with other crews going after them.

for the love of gold YES!!!! i've only been in the last 2 scale tests and I agree with you, i'm just mostly bored and at this point i'm just exploring everything and fighting whenever i have the chance, although i don't spawn camp, i just blow your s**t up :P

@a-cranky-eskimo Complaints on harassment are always valid, we all play video games we know how bad it gets... people are getting bullied to the point where they dont want to play this game anymore, and honestly thats really not hard to believe. It's better to consider solutions rather then postulate on how sensitive they are or how good they are at the game. Spawn locations and times are a good start, but redemption and retrieving stolen treasure is one of my absolute favorite parts of the game. Its very hard because people are going to get upset when you steal 7 chests of them, blood is going to boil and allot of people are going to take it too far... but frankly i dont think those situations hold a candle to interteam greifing.

@rudeverb said in Just deal with the greifing...:

Ok i dont know why everyone is hearing PvP and looting when people say greifing. We are not talking about just stealing treasure here we are talking about people who are intentionally harassing others

Need some context to what you mean by harassing

@rudeverb that’s mainly due to the respawn issue I think. A lot of new players simply can’t escape and get killed repeatedly . I’ve done that to some new people. Not intentionally they just kept showing up

@rudeverb these players do exist but nowhere near the scale of “griefing” or “cancelling pre order” posts make it seem. Agreed that they shouldn’t be ignored if they are valid complaints though.

@timidobserver sounds like you need better friends man or to stop playing with randoms. I’d be pretty upset too if that happened consistently. Being trolled by your own crew members is kind of an issue sometimes and is far more upsetting than the other complaints I’ve seen

Ok i think its important to consider that people should not have to deal with harassment (not pvp or people not knowing how to sail, actually trolling... harassment) Just because they are trying to learn how to play a new game. We get it your very good at video games, but we are talking about people grinding the game play to a halt, not trying to steal your treasure or battle.

I still don’t understand how greifing is even a thing in this game. Seems like any crybaby gets all up in arms about how the game is broken and greifing is this huge issue lol the game isn’t even out yet. Not to mention if you are being trolled you’re probably just not very good.
Nothing wrong with that. You just have to pick yourself up and try again

This is a pirate game. If people try to harass me all the time. Camping outposts... pretty much every other thing that people call greifing. However, I show them the error of their ways :p by just being cautious seeing through their plans and wrecking their day lol.

Ok i dont know why everyone is hearing PvP and looting when people say greifing. We are not talking about just stealing treasure here we are talking about people who are intentionally harassing others

@flareukcs I agree unskilled players aren’t satisfying to fight, unless they have a bunch of chests lol.. but yeah I hear you and know that my wishes aren’t realistic from a business perspective, I thought Rare was better than that and I thought Microsoft was changing its business model for the past few years, but yeah I really just wanted to respond becuase you said “just me right?” And then I had to overexplain to not sound to serious lol.

Like I said I havnt been playing the scale test today or last one, but at the same time I wouldn’t want to run into me even on the first day of my playtime. Not judging casuals but most seem to not realize the amount of effort some people put in, games just hand out wins for the most part and I think that disconnect is a part of the problem. What happened to dying in MARIO and staring over, etc. not asking for super hardcore mechanics, just really think going super casual is a mistake for this game and would see an equal drop in sales especially after launch as if they went super hardcore. The casual gamers attention span is usually a lot less than a “hardcore” gamer and I mean time spent more than wanting super punishing mechanics.

@sloth-demon-685 aye just a bit of role play fellow cap’n!!

@sloth-demon-685 Agreed! I am just saying it wouldn't surprise me if there were some in certain areas of the map.

I've been thinking of this actually, The first stress test was a bit of fun but the PvP soon became a must in terms of defense and we shifted our play style to fit the way the game works, engaging every ship and cashing chests immediately. The test we never had more than 4 chests but the beta we would have 18+ daring other people to challenge us in a fight. Adapt to the meta, don't complain about it, pirate up you scalywags!