[Mega Thread] - Microtransactions, DLC, and Games as a Service (Part 1)
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@touchdown1504 said in [Mega Thread] - Microtransactions, DLC, and Games as a Service:
@shadowstrider-7 said in [Mega Thread] - Microtransactions, DLC, and Games as a Service:
@touchdown1504 said in [Mega Thread] - Microtransactions, DLC, and Games as a Service:
look me up online sometime, you can touch my monkey. Seriously pet it, stroke it, fondle it. No charge.
Sea Of Feels. Rated M for Mature.
Come on man, get your mind out of the gutter, just trying to offer something nice to folks that won't buy one! Hey, as long as no one chokes my pet chicken, we can all be friends!
c***************n, s**************y, fondle the ferret either way count me in! ...cough... erm... yeh... pets sound cool :D
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@knifelife Microsoft owning rare and you paying for Xbox live have nothing to do with eachother, rare is still a company, and that company has to turn a profit, not just suck money out of their parent company, if they don't do something to make money long term to continue support then they will just not be able to continue development, plus if they don't make sure to turn a profit then that becomes a risk for them, parent companies don't like when the companies they own don't make them money, and companies that don't turn a profit get shut down
Don't like microtrabsactions? Don't pay for em, simple as that
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@ant-heuser-kush said in [Mega Thread] - Microtransactions, DLC, and Games as a Service:
@knifelife said in [Mega Thread] - Microtransactions, DLC, and Games as a Service:
@ant-heuser-kush said in [Mega Thread] - Microtransactions, DLC, and Games as a Service:
@knifelife said in [Mega Thread] - Microtransactions, DLC, and Games as a Service:
@ant-heuser-kush said in [Mega Thread] - Microtransactions, DLC, and Games as a Service:
@knifelife said in [Mega Thread] - Microtransactions, DLC, and Games as a Service:
@dhg-ixxrmacxxi I was wondering when this thread was going to pop up.
Well ill get us started of then, let the games begin.
Im against them, i don't believe they are needed and Rare and Microsoft are able to sustain the game without them. The game is online only and ive paid £50 to get access to the servers so that should be my part done. I also pay Xbox Live which is there to support Microsoft and there servers and services (£60 a year) Microsoft owns Rare.
I also think its really bad how Rare have taken an extremely highly requested feature and slapped a paywall on it.
I personally think since a big part of the game is about cosmetics you should be able to unlock everything in game by grinding even if it does take hours and have monetary purchases as a fast track option.
Can we also try and keep this discussion civilised and be respectful of each other, i know its a hot topic with very big opinions and disagreements but let's keep with the forum spirit here.
But they're optional. What if they went with a sub fee because PC players don't pay for Xbox LIVE. Then you would be stuck paying for live, the game, and the monthly sub fee.
A massive part of the game is about cosmetics so optional or not, if you dont fork out for them there is a massive chance as a player you are going to feel inadequate to people who have.
We all know the better pets and items will be paywalled, with the lesser if any being obtainable in game. I just think its a sly move on there part when a massive core component of the game is customisation.
People are spending £50-80 on this game, they should be able to feel as good as other people playing without having to pay extra for the pleasure. Its why i think as long as they make it so the really dedicated can still get them i think it will be okay.
So if they sell a Santa Suit for Christmas you're going to be upset because I look cool? Why punish people because they want to spend money on a silly outfit? You think your $60 and Xbox LIVE membership got you everything and you enjoyed that content and got your money worth... This is three years later...
Why punish people because they don't want to? Works both ways..
You're second point confuses me, My purchase of the game should get me everything i believe yes, also my Xbox live is a subscription and its recurring so they are still extracting money out of me. I also havent asked them to support the game for "X" amount of years and i might not even be playing the game in 3 years. So that confused me personally.
At the end of the day i dont believe they need the Microtransacations they can do it without but they see an opportunity to extract more funds from there consumers that way. Its just one of those things we will never agree on lol.
Heck why dont they make PC players pay for Xbox Live and then we can all be happy and they can use that to support there game for the next 500 years.
I wish PC players paid for Xbox LIVE. I've been so mad about that over the years that I just gave up.
Another thing I said...
Pricing of these is key here. It will either be beneficial or detrimental to the player base, the game, and Rare's reputation depending on how they're priced and implemented.
If they want to do a Halloween event and sell use Halloween costumes... people would still get mad even if they were only a $1. I firmly believe $5 is a fair price to pay for a pet, but I'm not paying $20 for a single item.
Items that are sold for cash need to be appealing... they need to entice you to buy something nice... No one is going to spend money on ugly items. We eat with our eyes, not our hands.
I agree we eat with our eyes thats the issue, considering a huge part of the game is all about cosmetics and customisation. Personally for me price doesnt matter. They could charge £50 for a pet it will sell trust me. I believe someone made an analogy about cars above me, they all basically do the same thing yet look at the price difference in them.
All i think is that if you are going to do them, just make it so your loyalist players can actually grind and earn them by playing the game they love. If the game was free to play, I would feel different. Fortnite i get it thats how they get there money and servers running for letting you play for nothing. I haven't had to pay £50 fpr Fortnite.
So they should make it so if you have actually purchased the game, you can earn the items in game some how. Heck if they want to get technical makemit just for the people who bought the game, let the gamepass people buy the cosmetics they havent supported the developer like the people who actually forked out £50-80.
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@saracens-lament said in [Mega Thread] - Microtransactions, DLC, and Games as a Service:
@touchdown1504 said in [Mega Thread] - Microtransactions, DLC, and Games as a Service:
@shadowstrider-7 said in [Mega Thread] - Microtransactions, DLC, and Games as a Service:
@touchdown1504 said in [Mega Thread] - Microtransactions, DLC, and Games as a Service:
look me up online sometime, you can touch my monkey. Seriously pet it, stroke it, fondle it. No charge.
Sea Of Feels. Rated M for Mature.
Come on man, get your mind out of the gutter, just trying to offer something nice to folks that won't buy one! Hey, as long as no one chokes my pet chicken, we can all be friends!
c***************n, s**************y, fondle the ferret either way count me in! ...cough... erm... yeh... pets sound cool :D
You forgot the following:
ahem..... Grease my Piggie and uncoil my Snake .... ;-) -
@spr1nk said in [Mega Thread] - Microtransactions, DLC, and Games as a Service:
@knifelife Microsoft owning rare and you paying for Xbox live have nothing to do with eachother, rare is still a company, and that company has to turn a profit, not just suck money out of their parent company, if they don't do something to make money long term to continue support then they will just not be able to continue development, plus if they don't make sure to turn a profit then that becomes a risk for them, parent companies don't like when the companies they own don't make them money, and companies that don't turn a profit get shut down
Don't like microtrabsactions? Don't pay for em, simple as that
I dont like War , i dont do it. But i still talk out against it because i believe its wrong and things only change when you discuss and debate about them.
Im not gonna just keep hushed and sit down against something i dont believe in, im just not that type of person Simple as that ;)
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@waw-gunn said in [Mega Thread] - Microtransactions, DLC, and Games as a Service:
@saracens-lament said in [Mega Thread] - Microtransactions, DLC, and Games as a Service:
@touchdown1504 said in [Mega Thread] - Microtransactions, DLC, and Games as a Service:
@shadowstrider-7 said in [Mega Thread] - Microtransactions, DLC, and Games as a Service:
@touchdown1504 said in [Mega Thread] - Microtransactions, DLC, and Games as a Service:
look me up online sometime, you can touch my monkey. Seriously pet it, stroke it, fondle it. No charge.
Sea Of Feels. Rated M for Mature.
Come on man, get your mind out of the gutter, just trying to offer something nice to folks that won't buy one! Hey, as long as no one chokes my pet chicken, we can all be friends!
c***************n, s**************y, fondle the ferret either way count me in! ...cough... erm... yeh... pets sound cool :D
You forgot the following:
ahem..... Grease my Piggie and uncoil my Snake .... ;-)Don't get too close to the snake. When he gets excited he shoots......
poison.
/inb4[mod edit] lol
This game's rating is going up by the second. -
@shadowstrider-7 said in [Mega Thread] - Microtransactions, DLC, and Games as a Service:
@waw-gunn said in [Mega Thread] - Microtransactions, DLC, and Games as a Service:
@saracens-lament said in [Mega Thread] - Microtransactions, DLC, and Games as a Service:
@touchdown1504 said in [Mega Thread] - Microtransactions, DLC, and Games as a Service:
@shadowstrider-7 said in [Mega Thread] - Microtransactions, DLC, and Games as a Service:
@touchdown1504 said in [Mega Thread] - Microtransactions, DLC, and Games as a Service:
look me up online sometime, you can touch my monkey. Seriously pet it, stroke it, fondle it. No charge.
Sea Of Feels. Rated M for Mature.
Come on man, get your mind out of the gutter, just trying to offer something nice to folks that won't buy one! Hey, as long as no one chokes my pet chicken, we can all be friends!
c***************n, s**************y, fondle the ferret either way count me in! ...cough... erm... yeh... pets sound cool :D
You forgot the following:
ahem..... Grease my Piggie and uncoil my Snake .... ;-)Don't get too close to the snake. When he gets excited he shoots......
poison.
/inb4[mod edit] lol
This game's rating is going up by the second.I'm starting to worry what I'm going to walk into next time I storm someone's ship, I may be running out afterwards scarred more than just physically.
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@lothaes said in [Mega Thread] - Microtransactions, DLC, and Games as a Service:
@shadowstrider-7 @WAW-Gunn
Innuendo's be a pirates favourite now who for polishing my eye patch?Make love (sweet forum community love), not war. That man has a way with words 💪👌
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@waw-gunn said in [Mega Thread] - Microtransactions, DLC, and Games as a Service:
@lothaes Innuendo, New Cavern game Confirmed!!!!!
Ah yes, the Innuendo64. Best console ever.
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@shadowstrider-7 said in [Mega Thread] - Microtransactions, DLC, and Games as a Service:
@waw-gunn said in [Mega Thread] - Microtransactions, DLC, and Games as a Service:
@lothaes Innuendo, New Cavern game Confirmed!!!!!
Ah yes, the Innuendo64. Best console ever.
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@waw-gunn said in [Mega Thread] - Microtransactions, DLC, and Games as a Service:
@saracens-lament said in [Mega Thread] - Microtransactions, DLC, and Games as a Service:
@touchdown1504 said in [Mega Thread] - Microtransactions, DLC, and Games as a Service:
@shadowstrider-7 said in [Mega Thread] - Microtransactions, DLC, and Games as a Service:
@touchdown1504 said in [Mega Thread] - Microtransactions, DLC, and Games as a Service:
look me up online sometime, you can touch my monkey. Seriously pet it, stroke it, fondle it. No charge.
Sea Of Feels. Rated M for Mature.
Come on man, get your mind out of the gutter, just trying to offer something nice to folks that won't buy one! Hey, as long as no one chokes my pet chicken, we can all be friends!
c***************n, s**************y, fondle the ferret either way count me in! ...cough... erm... yeh... pets sound cool :D
You forgot the following:
ahem..... Grease my Piggie and uncoil my Snake .... ;-)Indeed, if these are my pets that is fine as well, if I know you well enough, and trust you, you can spank my monkey when he misbehaves. I just want to be sure players that feel slighted by not buying a pet get a chance to at least touch mine!
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@knifelife discussion about it is good, and discussion is what is needed to keep MT's in line and avoid c**p like what ea likes to do, but in reality, MT's are here to stay, whether we like it or not, even if they didn't allow the purchase of cosmetics and they charged for expansions, that's still essentially a MT, just paying for different things, and either way its financing continued development
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Personal approach is that if your paying for a full title then that's what you expect. You don't expect that you will have limitations or exclusive content locked behind a pay wall with no reason for it past the thought "well they'll pay for it so why not"
I'm not against MTs as a whole, their implementation in the modern culture is irritating but unfortunately growing. When used to their initial demographic needs they balance well.For those unsure, the demographic needs were to even the balance between those with the time to grind and those who don't (cash rich time poor / time rich cash poor) this is easily implemented by the purchase of in game currency, bypassing the need for grinding but gaining no renown for the use. This allows all content to be accessible to all parties but gains the financial growth for those who wish to purchase their variations sooner than earn them.
Most importantly it avoids gaps in communities based on purchase while stimulating the internal economy. For a game released at full value without full content or finished feature, exclusive content on MT basis seems too close to a cash cow mentality and not consumer centric as has been advertised or expected.Again just my view, maybe I'm just old and used to when games were sold when they were finished and at a reasonable price, back when batteries weren't sold separately lol.
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@scheefinator said in [Mega Thread] - Microtransactions, DLC, and Games as a Service:
Where it comes to my concerns is with the rumored premium currency. I don't want them to have to force grind walls onto people to get them to buy it.
I want the cosmetics to sell themselves simply because people want them.
There are always going to be players that don't want to buy the MTX and that's perfectly fine.
I agree 100%. If they start selling 'Dubloon Packs' they'll stop getting my support. That's a tacky and tasteless way to drive MT sales. I'm fine with a premium item shop, but not currency packs.
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@shadowstrider-7 said in [Mega Thread] - Microtransactions, DLC, and Games as a Service:
@lothaes said in [Mega Thread] - Microtransactions, DLC, and Games as a Service:
@shadowstrider-7 @WAW-Gunn
Innuendo's be a pirates favourite now who for polishing my eye patch?Oh pick me! Pick me! It'll be shining brighter than the Eye of Reach by the time I'm finished.
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@saracens-lament said in [Mega Thread] - Microtransactions, DLC, and Games as a Service:
@shadowstrider-7 said in [Mega Thread] - Microtransactions, DLC, and Games as a Service:
@lothaes said in [Mega Thread] - Microtransactions, DLC, and Games as a Service:
@shadowstrider-7 @WAW-Gunn
Innuendo's be a pirates favourite now who for polishing my eye patch?Oh pick me! Pick me! It'll be shining brighter than the Eye of Reach by the time I'm finished.
(I feel dirty now -not in a good way-)MT Kitty is worried now......Shocked Cat GIF - Kitty Kitten Ohsnap - Discover & Share GIFs
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@waw-gunn said in [Mega Thread] - Microtransactions, DLC, and Games as a Service:
@saracens-lament said in [Mega Thread] - Microtransactions, DLC, and Games as a Service:
@shadowstrider-7 said in [Mega Thread] - Microtransactions, DLC, and Games as a Service:
@lothaes said in [Mega Thread] - Microtransactions, DLC, and Games as a Service:
@shadowstrider-7 @WAW-Gunn
Innuendo's be a pirates favourite now who for polishing my eye patch?Oh pick me! Pick me! It'll be shining brighter than the Eye of Reach by the time I'm finished.
(I feel dirty now -not in a good way-)MT Kitty is worried now......Shocked Cat GIF - Kitty Kitten Ohsnap - Discover & Share GIFs
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@ant-heuser-kush said in [Mega Thread] - Microtransactions, DLC, and Games as a Service:
What has this turned into? I guess everyone agrees.
It's Sea Of Feels, playable on the new Innuendo64 entertainment system.
Seriously though, it's slowing drifting off to sea. I thought the deckhands would've dropped the anchor down by now.
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@shadowstrider-7 said in [Mega Thread] - Microtransactions, DLC, and Games as a Service:
@scheefinator said in [Mega Thread] - Microtransactions, DLC, and Games as a Service:
Where it comes to my concerns is with the rumored premium currency. I don't want them to have to force grind walls onto people to get them to buy it.
I want the cosmetics to sell themselves simply because people want them.
There are always going to be players that don't want to buy the MTX and that's perfectly fine.
I agree 100%. If they start selling 'Dubloon Packs' they'll stop getting my support. That's a tacky and tasteless way to drive MT sales. I'm fine with a premium item shop, but not currency packs.
Im not a fan of premium currencies either (Suprise Suprise xD) With me being a believer that there should be a way where players can unlock the items in game with a grind. I wouldnt mind if they had a "Premium Currency" in game what you can get from doing the missions to buy said items.
As long as you cant buy this currency with actual money. Should only bd unlockable in game.
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@shadowstrider-7 said in [Mega Thread] - Microtransactions, DLC, and Games as a Service:
@ant-heuser-kush said in [Mega Thread] - Microtransactions, DLC, and Games as a Service:
What has this turned into? I guess everyone agrees.
It's Sea Of Feels, playable on the new Innuendo64 entertainment system.
Seriously though, it's slowing drifting off to sea. I thought the deckhands would've dropped the anchor down by now.
Don't get me started on dropping anchor metaphors...
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@shadowstrider-7 said in [Mega Thread] - Microtransactions, DLC, and Games as a Service:
@ant-heuser-kush said in [Mega Thread] - Microtransactions, DLC, and Games as a Service:
What has this turned into? I guess everyone agrees.
It's Sea Of Feels, playable on the new Innuendo64 entertainment system.
Seriously though, it's slowing drifting off to sea. I thought the deckhands would've dropped the anchor down by now.
Nah...It was funny, everyone got a good chuckle and it lightened the mood on an otherwise tense conversation. Humor, everyone needs that, and SoT definitely provides it!
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@knifelife said in [Mega Thread] - Microtransactions, DLC, and Games as a Service:
@shadowstrider-7 said in [Mega Thread] - Microtransactions, DLC, and Games as a Service:
@scheefinator said in [Mega Thread] - Microtransactions, DLC, and Games as a Service:
Where it comes to my concerns is with the rumored premium currency. I don't want them to have to force grind walls onto people to get them to buy it.
I want the cosmetics to sell themselves simply because people want them.
There are always going to be players that don't want to buy the MTX and that's perfectly fine.
I agree 100%. If they start selling 'Dubloon Packs' they'll stop getting my support. That's a tacky and tasteless way to drive MT sales. I'm fine with a premium item shop, but not currency packs.
Im not a fan of premium currencies either (Suprise Suprise xD) With me being a believer that there should be a way where players can unlock the items in game with a grind. I wouldnt mind if they had a "Premium Currency" in game what you can get from doing the missions to buy said items.
As long as you cant buy this currency with actual money. Should only bd unlockable in game.
I still think premium content should stay exclusive to premium, but at least we agreed on something.
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@Ant-Heuser-Kush Re-read what i wrote matey :)
@ShadowStrider-7 Out of curiosity why do you not want the items to be unlockable in game?
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Long time gamer.
Former ISP owner. (retired)
Super Nerd.There is no reason that SoT couldn't be Free-To-Play as Microsoft is obtaining revenues through multiple sources on this product, namely Xbox Live requirements and micro-transactions (which are currently making more revenue for developers than actual games). On top of these two there are potential partnership/tie-in deals, merchandising, and so on.
I can assure anyone reading this that the business model has been worked out and the revenue that is expected to be generated by the micro-transactions has been forecast.
The reason Microsoft/RARE is charging $60 for this title is because they think that they can do it. Enough people have openly defended them, some reason worried about their bottom line, thus only emboldening them to ask it. God forbid you live outside the US, like in the EU, where the cost is substantially higher.
The thing is that I think SoT would have a higher chance of success if it went Free-to-play. It would also allow justification for the business model they are using.
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@knifelife said in [Mega Thread] - Microtransactions, DLC, and Games as a Service:
@Ant-Heuser-Kush Re-read what i wrote matey :)
@ShadowStrider-7 Out of curiosity why do you not want the items to be unlockable in game?
I just feel that if I am going to spend actual money on something, Johnny-freeloader shouldn't be able to obtain it for free. Otherwise, I don't see the point of MTs at all and everything should be one massive grind.
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@shadowstrider-7 I would agree if the game was like Fortnite and was free to play, however i dont see it as "Freeloading" if you have had to invest in the actual game to begin with, you've already made your contribution to the game then. Thats just my opinion anyway.
Im pretty sure Rare will see it your way rather then mine. XD
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@knifelife said in [Mega Thread] - Microtransactions, DLC, and Games as a Service:
@shadowstrider-7 I would agree if the game was like Fortnite and was free to play, however i dont see it as "Freeloading" if you have had to invest in the actual game to begin with, you've already made your contribution to the game then. Thats just my opinion anyway.
Im pretty sure Rare will see it your way rather then mine. XD
I totally understand where you're coming from. However, anyone buying a Games as a Service game should treat it exactly like an early access game. It's not finished and will be updated over time. You've willing purchased a game that you know will constantly add content for free with the addition of optional microtransactions. You're still going to get one hell (sorry Deckhands, had to, reasons, SoT has 'damned' in it!!dontbanmeiloveyou) of a game regardless of what content you might optionally pay for. I honestly don't see how this affects anyone other than "he has it, but i don't" complaints.
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@ant-heuser-kush said in [Mega Thread] - Microtransactions, DLC, and Games as a Service:
@knifelife said in [Mega Thread] - Microtransactions, DLC, and Games as a Service:
@shadowstrider-7 I would agree if the game was like Fortnite and was free to play, however i dont see it as "Freeloading" if you have had to invest in the actual game to begin with, you've already made your contribution to the game then. Thats just my opinion anyway.
Im pretty sure Rare will see it your way rather then mine. XD
Two people go to McDonald's and order the same meal... they've been going there for the last 5 years... person A wants extra cheese... they charge him $1.50... he pays and walks away. Person B also wants extra cheese because he paid for the meal... but he doesn't want to pay for the extra cheese. Is person B entitled to extra cheese just because he bought the same meal person A?
That analogy isnt what im advocating though, I don't think i should get it for free for nothing while someone else pays. I think there should be an option for the more dedicated players to do so.
So in your explanation, if person B is going there more and eating more then person A and the more dedicated person. Then yeah. Loyalty should always be rewarded. Its how you build a relationship with your consumers.
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Two people go to McDonald's and order the same meal... they've been going there for the last 5 years... person A wants extra cheese... they charge him $1.50... he pays and walks away. Person B also wants extra cheese because he paid for the meal... but he doesn't want to pay for the extra cheese. Is person B entitled to extra cheese just because he bought the same meal as person A?
Sad thing is, I bet this has actually happened in a McDonald’s somewhere.
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