@orcbutt so let me get his straight... you don’t like people defending gameplay mechanics they enjoy because they agree with Rare. You are upset because your game demands are not being implemented. I could go on, but there is no point. [mod edit].

I, for one, am not at all bothered that you will be leaving. There are more than enough people that will love this game as it is and play it. I’m not sure where your sense of entitlement came from, and I am glad you will not be on my ship.

@touchdown1504 said in Why I left:

@aenima123 said in Why I left:

Self centered thread award of the year.

THIS !!! You made coffee come out of my nose! The first couple sentences in the OP are trolling for trouble, and insulting a percentage of the forum population. Was obviously written for the need to get some attention. There are some closed minded fan boys on here, at least they aren't quitters. Dueces @Orcbutt , best of luck else where.

My personnal favorite chapter is "What Became of Me". What is yours ?

You talk about the people who defend the game in a very disagreeable way. Just because we believe that the game will do good, doesn't mean that we are brainwashed by Rare or anything, we just genuinely like the game.

You seem to think that we are gang-like and attack people trying to give criticism. This is an outright falsehood. I won't make a comment on who ends up throwing insults first, but I feel as though genuine supporters wouldn't be the first(yes, I do realize that this is a No True Scotsman fallacy). For the most part we don't frown upon actual criticism or helpful suggestions, instead, we frown upon people like you, who don't provide anything helpful to Rare or the community at all. Even most of the posts worrying about the game not having enough content are more helpful, as rather than attacking the people defending the game, they are posting their genuine concern that the game will flop or that trolls and griefers will ruin the game.

You also mention that Rare supporters are acting on their own personal views rather than what is right. What do you mean by this? "Right", in the way you use it, is completely subjective. On your side, you seem to believe that "right" is NOT sharing why you think the game will be a success and asking people to not give up hope just yet. However, my standpoint, and many others from the community is that "right" is the opposite of that. We do want to share our thoughts on why this game will be a success, and we want people to have hope. We don't want people to get turned away from the game due to early gameplay. To assume that we have malicious intent is to not see the reality of our actions. To add on to that, I have not once seen a Rare supporter urging someone else to preorder the game. Even if there are cases of this happening, they aren't forcing anybody to preorder. Again, this issue is subjective, but you don't seem to realize that.

We are trying to foster a friendly and welcoming community, not act as corporate shills out for our own personal gain. We want the game to be a success, and are preparing for it to be that way.

On a slightly different note, I personally disagree with your notion that this should be billed as an Arena game. That's not the vision for the game, and the simple fact that we have any sort of quest system points out that this cannot be an arena game. Arena games usually force PvP interactions, and don't have any goals other than winning a single match. This is almost the opposite of Rare's vision. They want both friendly and PvP encounters, but most of the time highlight personal stories of themselves teaming up with other crews during the Alpha play sessions. The goal of the game is to become a Pirate legend (which they haven't elaborated on), which isn't necessarily winning. You set your own goals, and don't even have to become a legend if you don't want to.

@orcbutt Forums always have a tendency to get a little redundant and have people that aren't helping. It's still a good place for information though. I don't think you should give up on it... especially considering your in the alpha. I'd love to hear what you have to say about your time playing, and what you think. To make these forums worth it, we just gotta keep our heads up and try to stay on topic. I can appreciate how you feel. Just don't give up bub, there's still lots of us who would love to have another good forum poster around.

@orcbutt i agree with you so much its not even funny, the amount of people hiding in the forums waiting to troll is unreal

@mrdestiny17 Welcome aboard matey! I look forward to reading your views and ideas in the future and witnessing you're legend grow :)

@orcbutt Dude or dudette, I regret that you probably wont get to read this on these forums, but thank you for your post - you said quite elequently and sussinctly what I have been hoping to say for ages, your thoughts and concerns, and interaction with forums mirrors my own.

I didn't really read the replys to your post, as I can pretty much predict the nashing of teeth and throffing at the mouth. Good luck to you, and thanks for having the courage of your convictions. I will follow your advise and message you on xbox live, maybe flick you a friends request. There are not many of us left now, could count them on one hand. Cant tell you how many good forum contributors I have seen drift away, in frustration and boredom, over the last couple of years.

Rare got what they wanted with these forums, a clean sterile breeding ground, completely devoid of any critical thought. And for all the haters out I'd save your energy lampooning my post because I wont be reading them (sorry to disappoint you but I'll still be hanging a round though).

@erinom3 I agree with your thoughts on the community, as I have been seeing posts on the recent threads of people leaving the community and it's sad to see founder and pioneer under their name (Jeez this topic is reminding me of the gallows lol) But I believe that the reason for this new animosity about the state of the community is not a rising level of toxicity, rather the amount of people finding the forums, with more people here the best and worst parts become larger.

I had heard of Sea of Thieves for a while, but had not put much though into it until a couple weeks before the beta, I started listening to videos about the game on my way home from work and grew attached to what the game could be, so I applied to the insider program and preordered the game, all of this was to sate my curiosity for the game that had been growing, and after the beta I came here any time I could to discover more about the game and wondered about other's points of view on ideas that could affect them the way they think would be fun. While I see the toxicity that is in every forum, I don't see it the way you and some others do. For me the toxicity comes from players that had hoped the game was going to be much more than the beta offered, or loved what they were given in January, so they are here defending their opinions about how the game should be. I personally loved the beta and can't think of anther game that can satisfy me the way Sea of Thieves does, but I still have opinions of what the game should be for me, and those opinions are met with all levels of people agreeing with them and not agreeing with me. Where the community is at with what I see is a clash of ideas of old players and new players both desperate for a game they could have fun in. I hope this new group of people who are trying to enjoy the game in their way doesn't scare off the old community, we have a lot to learn form you guys and if we can work together and discuss ideas that both fresh players and old players have, we can make Sea of Thieves great.

From the new community hoping to become part of the old, MrDestiny17

@aenima123 said in Why I left:

Self centered thread award of the year.

THIS !!! You made coffee come out of my nose! The first couple sentences in the OP are trolling for trouble, and insulting a percentage of the forum population. Was obviously written for the need to get some attention. There are some closed minded fan boys on here, at least they aren't quitters. Dueces @Orcbutt , best of luck else where.

These are the kind of post I see on Steam.
Early Access forums are full of the same sounding toxic post.
Quite refreshing to see Rare do something a little different. Not a surprise that some things don't change, tho.

@the-lion-turtle I am so confused right now. Did you play the Closed Beta?

If you did, would you admit that the Eye of Reach was better at hitting targets from range than the Blunderbuss? If you agree, then you obviously have witnessed what Rare has in mind when its comes to their functional upgrades. I would love for you to point me to where Rare outright says the quote from this article is wrong. Please, I welcome your attempts to prove yourself correct on this subject.

@ethnine said in Why I left:

@the-lion-turtle said in Why I left:

As for your ship, it's all cosmetic so it does not impact gameplay whatsoever. Unless having a different looking ship compared to someone else somehow gives you an advantage.

Incorrect.

Entertainment

"Yeah. You get treasure and you want the loot, you’ll want to spend it. Personal progressions are around you and also on weapons and objects that you can carry. Everyone wants to own a ship or ships and make it look like they want it to look cool. These customizations aren’t just aesthetics but functional too. So a larger sail that looks cool will also makes your ship move quicker too."

Items do, and will, have functional advantages. Rare has been clear on this point from the beginning. Just because there's no number to give items a stat, items do have pros/cons. This is going to be expanded on with the full release of the game.

Ah your one of those. I'm definitely not going over this again. If you choose to believe outdated and since corrected information, that's you're prerogative.

I will choose to believe what Rare has said for the last year and a half after that article was made instead. If you're right come launch, you win. Yay? As it stands now, I'll stick with what Rare is currently saying.

@ant-heuser-kush Thats why its up to us i suppose to push past that and show the newer members how things work around here. Its goig to be frustrating and hard at times but if we all stay positive and do our bit i believe we can keep the community spirit in tact.

I suppose it all boils down to "Education", like you said most forums are not like this one so there is already a pre determined behaviour pattern that is accepted on most forums but doesnt cut it here.

Its up to us all to show them a different way, just think on all those posts (My first ever thread was one) what used to come up about how friendly and nice everyone around here is and how they cant believe there is a community like this where ideas are listened to and expanded on and not ridiculed and shut down. Thats the forums i remember and enjoy visiting everuday.

And besides, we dont normally align views on the threads we have debates and discussions on but im sure we can both agree with this and that in itself is a great cause to agree with! Feel free to PM me if you ever get frustrated or just want to discuss some ideas about the game, im always happy to exchange thoughts :)

@eatin-babiez We don't need someone with [mod removed] as a nickname.

My sugestion: Actually learn about the game before creating meaningless posts crying because people don't care about you and full of missinformation.

You clearly have not played enough if you think this is an Arena game, with that in mind your entire post is pointless.

Bye.

@Orcbutt
Firstly alot of these replies are proving his point so well done for that guys, please read the pirate code and actually try and be respectful of other peoples opinions, even if they may not coincide with your own.

Its a shame to see you go @Orcbutt i remember you from when i first signed up and was starting to get to know these waters, you always had good and insightful suggestions and feedback, and you are right that the forums are changing and it isnt necessarily for the better. Its a shame you are not in the pioneer category, it still has its problems but it feels alot more like the "Old days" and theres a close knit group of players there all carrying out there duties to improve the game.

Ive also found myself picking what conversations i engage in now alot more carefully, and after the last two topics i posted i just felt like i got a load of negativity instead of the insightfull conversations of old where people would actually suggest different approaches or ideas or even add to yours.

Now it feels like alot of people just try to shut you down for suggesting anything that might not coincide with how they believe the game should be, its all personally stopped me posting a few topics i thought about doing due to just feeling like im going to constantly have to be on the defensive over the idea. Its just not worth it.

I dont however, agree with you about the game, i believe currently it has alot of potential for griefing but there has always been alot of active "Regulars" who have been very outspoken and open to the ways which it can happen and to how it can be addressed, its my hope that there will be a nice big quality of life patch for launch which will fix alot of he problems. I dont think our suggestions/criticisms have been falling on deaf ears.

I think a part of the problem is Rare are not necessarily that good with communicating with the community, we dont really hear about what impacts we have had on the game, what ideas we have helped them implement or the decisions the community has helped shape. Im hoping as we come to and pass launch we are actually going to be losing all this mystery and need to know policies and actually get alot more transparency with the development of the game.

Even if you dont read this, ill be honest you gave me a window of opportunity to let out a few of my frustrations, so i thank you for that parting gift and wish you luck in your next endeavour! Hopfully the game will turn into what we all want it to be and i will see your gamertag in a lobby one day! :)

@the-lion-turtle said in Why I left:

As for your ship, it's all cosmetic so it does not impact gameplay whatsoever. Unless having a different looking ship compared to someone else somehow gives you an advantage.

Incorrect.

Entertainment

"Yeah. You get treasure and you want the loot, you’ll want to spend it. Personal progressions are around you and also on weapons and objects that you can carry. Everyone wants to own a ship or ships and make it look like they want it to look cool. These customizations aren’t just aesthetics but functional too. So a larger sail that looks cool will also makes your ship move quicker too."

Items do, and will, have functional advantages. Rare has been clear on this point from the beginning. Just because there's no number to give items a stat, items do have pros/cons. This is going to be expanded on with the full release of the game.

@ethnine said in Why I left:

@the-lion-turtle ....while you also grind reputation by hunting for treasure which then unlocks the ability to purchase more items for your character or your ship that makes functional improvements to the way you play the game. Sounds like an RPG to me.

If you think grinding defines an RPG, which Sea of Thieves is not (unless you're talking the LARPing definition of role play), then the modern gaming industry has failed you.

As for purchasing things for your character and ship that impact how you play the game, this is only true in the alpha/beta for your character and a single weapon. We don't even know if this is how it'll work at launch. Everything else for your character is completely cosmetic. The shovels, buckets, different looks for the compass, instruments, etc., is all cosmetic and has zero impact on gameplay.

As for your ship, it's all cosmetic so it does not impact gameplay whatsoever. Unless having a different looking ship compared to someone else somehow gives you an advantage.

You don't go to church for the people, you go to praise, grow in knowledge and better understand your place in God's kingdom. You don't go to the Sea of Thieves forum for the people......... You go to praise, grow in knowledge and better understand your place in the Sea of Thieves. 😆 Your place I'm thinking is in the "Brig"! 😁😁😁

@eredhar Frankly, it's inaccurate. "Sea of Thieves is a new type of multiplayer game."

No, no it isn't. As Ethinine said, this game is exactly the same as the core of games like Eve and Elite: Dangerous. I mean it's EXACTLY the same. The progression system in SoT is lifted directly out of Elite with almost no variance. The overall feel and flow of the game is exactly the same thing as Elite. The only thing it's missing is upgradeable/new ships to buy, NPC's (whose jobs can be contracted out to players anyways), and a much larger game world.

Elite is classified as a space sim, so wouldn't that make SoT a pirate sim? Most players would call Elite a survival game in the realm of DayZ and Ark. While I personally don't think of SoT as an MMO or an RPG, it's definitely a survival game. Calling it a SWAG, inventing a whole new genre, that's disingenuous to me when it's really not different enough from existing games to warrant that.

@kruqnut Please try not to use offensive language. A fire can never be put out by continuing to feed it. @Orcbutt in terms of the post you put up, it seems harsh to call some people ignorant just because they have a different opinion than yours. The forum is made to discuss ideas and different point of views. The community nor the deckhands try to protect any individual or crew, they are here so that communication is exchanged fluently in a way that reduces and eliminates toxicity in the forums. We don't need to agree with each other, all we need is to understand each other as well as learn to play together in the likes of good sportsmanship even if we are not on the same pirate ship. I hope you find another game that suits your taste but until then, thank you for your previous contributions.

All I am gonna say is this: https://www.seaofthieves.com/game

@the-lion-turtle ....while you also grind reputation by hunting for treasure which then unlocks the ability to purchase more items for your character or your ship that makes functional improvements to the way you play the game. Sounds like an RPG to me.