Griefing : A problem directly linked to the beta content.

@thefarsz

I agree with your BETA assessment of griefing.

Since there's no retained value in gathering loot as our characters will be wiped clean, people just wanna fight. Even if you sink someone's ship and kill their entire crew, why bother taking their chest?

That said, beyond release and into the future, at some point in every PvP game, players have the 'loot' and 'rep' they want. The only thing left to do is kill everything you see. For people learning the game, that's the quickest recipe for 'delete and refund'.

Rare as their work cut of for them. Balance in PvP is near impossible. There has to be some kind of 'flagging' and NPC enforcement for new players to get into the game.

The hard part for Rare will be finding a balance.

I don't play games to be griefed and trolled, and if I did I wouldn't pay $100AUD for them. I had more fun in PUBG and DAYZ even with the hackers than I am playing SoT.
I'm disappointed this isn't a family friendly story 1-4 player adventure, but a troll and griefing PvP simulator. I certainly don't want my children playing this game considering the amount of language and obscenity I have heard as well as the griefing and trolling of solo or 2 person teams.

'So join a 4 person team'

You have been locked in the brig
Followed by 10 minutes of the n word being shouted over voice chat

Very, family friendly.

At the same time, what do you do when you get a random member of your crew being a troll? People might be trying to see what they can be doing with the whole game.

@thefarsz said in Griefing : A problem directly linked to the beta content.:

People are complaining about being shot at for no reason, ships getting sunk...
In my opinion, this "problem" will not be present when the full game releases.

You are blind my fellow pirate, their are full groups of us that the ONLY reason we have to play is to grief others.

Open world PvP sandbox’s are the breeding pool for guys looking to have fun at the expense of others. And this game makes a perfect playground for that.

There are so many features in this game that even promote this kind of game play. It’s going to get much much worse... unless they implement things to stop it, then when they do all you will left is a poorly made PvE game.

So here's my story: my roommate and I decided to spend the last night of the Beta exploring around for a bit. We where a 2 man crew so we IMMEDIATELY got targeted by a 4 man ship. They attacked us, sank our ship, game over. So we respawned, got our new ship, and continued on our way. But once wasn't enough for these greifing players. They hunted us down, boarded our ship, and killed us with the "shotgun", and instead of sinking our ship, they sat on ours and killed us EVERY time we respawned on OUR ship. Ruined the whole experience for us.

Yeah... join a 4 man crew and 9 times out of 10 you are immediately in the Brig with the other players shouting very obscene comments. This game can not be rated anything less than XXX because clearly this game is not meant for anyone under 17. I heard more F-bombs, N words, C words and Gender slurs then I care to ever hear again. I tried 4 person, and it really was a horrible experience since I had no friends and could only do random. Others may have had fun, but I agree with other posts here. This game was a pretty lack luster PVP simulator that really needs to find a way to allow some form of PVE that does not end up being solo ships trying their hardest running from 4 person grief teams.

@thargg Reason people were putting you in the brig is because you were a random they didnt want. You'll find they were a 3man crew in a private party and not using coms in game chat but their party chat if they were xbox players admittingly my crew done that to randoms too at times when our fourth crew member couldnt get on reason being is most folks dislike PUGs/randoms :)

@haiafang

Ide believe that, if the people doing it were not taunting the whole time. I never got into one where they were like. Hey sorry, our 4th member did not get in, can you exit. So I have doubts about the nature of the randoms. Right now, I am unsure I would even do them once the game went live if the attitudes of the community stays the same.

@thefarsz Good thinking here. I agree to a point. I think the mass of extra content (hoping to see a lot of the community suggestions, including my own, be included) will give people more focus, but I have to mention my crew's logic when we pillages the high seas, which was "That ship could have chests on it." And so the more things a player can collect, the more they can lose to scoundrels, brigands and bandits. Wonder if they'll bring Privateers in to this game.

@the-big-skipper said in Griefing : A problem directly linked to the beta content.:

@roughmonkey0 "Open world PvP sandbox’s are the breeding pool for guys looking to have fun at the expense of others." Explain to me how making other people miserable is fun for you. I would sincerely like to know your thoughts.

After years of gaming the thrill of killing AI has lost all of its luster. Trying to hunt down a real players pumps your adrenaline and when you kill them knowing their is a real person on the other side that is sooooo p****d that you just took all his stuff it makes the treasure so much sweeter.

When you kill AI it does not do the same thing. There is no “real” lose. It’s the same reason guys like sports, it’s not just the game it is also the fact that real people are winning and losing. That human connection makes it mater.

I love to fight people when I have loot on me too. The thrill that you could lose everything if you mess up is exciting.

The fact that you can not progress gear and stats by doing quests is going to breed this type of play even more. “Go get this and go get that” quests are sooooo old school game design. Also we do not have any reasons to help each other. There is nothing to gain.

This game could have a million more quests and a million times the content. And if it does not advance your character with gear or skills the same group of guys will not play that content. Now on the other hand, if I could say I killed 300 players, sunk 75 ships and took all their stuff to buy this gold plated captains hat... well... now that is a hat worth having for sure!

If it is, I killed 1000 skeletons and d**g up 500 chests to get these golden sails... when then you can keep your sails then.

The content has to be engageing for people to even care... now this is for PvP and PvE players both. Right now the fighting and sailing are the only thing keeping this game together.

But this is a socail game right??? Well, you are correct!! Everyone likes to hang out with people like themselves, it’s human nature. And you don’t have to like how Me and my friends play, and you don’t have to like the personalitys of the people I hang with, BUT.... if you are in an open world PvP game and you think we are going to just let you walk by and not kill you so you can turn in a quest you worked an hour on then you have anything thing coming.

Players are monsters with better loot to PvP players. You are boss monsters with a huge payout!

@thefarsz There is no griefing in this game, there is only other pirates to attack. No one needs a reason to hunt another pirate down other then the fact that's how they want to play the game. Just because your experience requires safe places does not mean mine or anyone else does.

@touchdown1504 I disagree, its a valid option if the server you are on is to much to handle. Just last night we had one sloop come at us multiple times, i believe we sank them 6 times. That was some of the most fun I've had yet, the banter in chat was hilarious to boot. We just let them come and defended our treasures, in the end they gave up and we ran over to the skull fort did a little pve and headed to bed.

This hasn't aged well.

@captainph0t0n Reviving a 2 month old thread?

@TouchDown1504 Sad that that's on the loading screen? Why? It's great advice. People need to learn how to play the game. My friends and I never get "griefed" (I hate the way that word is used now) because we don't allow it to happen.

@touchdown1504 I didn't jump in until the betas and for me the experience has carried over just the same. I have put a lot of hours in, probably to many and I just have not experienced any of these situations. Maybe its the way i view them vs the way others do, i am not sure. I don't have any esports skills, i think the only real skill needed is good observation of your surroundings. I understand your view on the loading screen advice but I have to agree with @PapaSohan, its a great place to put good information for people to view and scuttling your ship and jumping servers really takes up no time in a game where sailing can take a good 20 min to get to the next spot.

@touchdown1504 You could probably compile all my forum responses to make a tutorial lol. Actually the biggest problem is that a lot of the people crying to the forums want to have their cake and eat it, too. One guy had 3+ hours of loot on board (playing solo) and got angry because he got sunk and all his loot was taken. My response was, don't carry 3+ hours of loot on your ship, turn in at least once per hour if you don't want to take that risk (especially playing solo). His response was, "I don't want to have to turn in that often." I mean, how am I supposed to deal with players like that that refuse to learn how to play the game?

I must have missed the part where they advertised the game as the friendliest game online. All the advertising I saw was "Sea of Thieves." If they were aiming for friendly, they missed the mark big time. That said, there have been a few friendly encounters that I have experienced that have been pretty cool.

@touchdown1504 I re-read your post and I follow what your saying better now. Do you have any ideas of another solution? I cant think of anything better myself but again I have not put much thought into because its not been an issue for me.

@papasohan said in Griefing : A problem directly linked to the beta content.:

@touchdown1504 You could probably compile all my forum responses to make a tutorial lol. Actually the biggest problem is that a lot of the people crying to the forums want to have their cake and eat it, too. One guy had 3+ hours of loot on board (playing solo) and got angry because he got sunk and all his loot was taken. My response was, don't carry 3+ hours of loot on your ship, turn in at least once per hour if you don't want to take that risk (especially playing solo). His response was, "I don't want to have to turn in that often." I mean, how am I supposed to deal with players like that that refuse to learn how to play the game?

I must have missed the part where they advertised the game as the friendliest game online. All the advertising I saw was "Sea of Thieves." If they were aiming for friendly, they missed the mark big time. That said, there have been a few friendly encounters that I have experienced that have been pretty cool.

Could not agree more, when i solo play i turn in half way threw or if I am feeling lucky i may go an entire voyage but that means i have maybe 6 treasures max on me. There are far to many outpost not to just swing by one and drop your goods off as you travel to your next spot.