@erikinthebakery Ahh yeah basically, i re-arranged it from a quote i always found motivating which is essentially what you said.."The golden rule".

The quote is:- "Be the change you wish to see in society". I try and live by it but im only human aha :P

@knifelife It boils down to something like "Treat other people the way you'd like to be treated". It shows up in many of the world's religious traditions.

Golden Rule - Wikipedia

@erikinthebakery Well if you have a Skyrim 100 speech skill,you would be amazed at what you can do aha!

But im not overly great at PvP, i would go as far as saying i may have a small reputation for being a pretty bad pirate aha! But, some of he best experiences has been from crews attacking me, I always find myself in some mad peculiar situation xD

And i think that last refrence went over my head l**o, what golden rule would that be? :P

@knifelife Wait, you mean if you don't want everyone to relentlessly shoot on sight, don't shoot everyone on sight?

I'd like to think our friends at the Gold Hoarders approve of invoking the "golden rule".

Be the change you wish to see on the Seas. Its a world of infinite possibilities and outcomes thats whats so great about it. :)

@erikinthebakery

@martkill666 said in Death by PvE vs PvP:

wait, they can't, right?

Sorry, NDA... ;)

About deaths... it would be nice if there was something like ''getting downed'' , like in Fortnite, where your teamates can actually revive you if the enemy doesn't b******u to smithereens first.

@zombie-p1ague said in Death by PvE vs PvP:

Okay sorry to do this but

Are you? Are you really? :P

as the beta gets closer and closer people can’t seem to leave the pvp/pve topic alone. I currently seems to be the biggest discussion on the forums.

If it's the biggest topic on the forum at the moment, doesn't that show that it's a major concern for players on all sides of the discussion? And if that's the case, why would/should they want to leave the topic alone? Surely the point of this forum is to allow people to voice their concerns so that Rare can see what they are?

Look the game is an open world the slogan is play as you want.

Unless what you want is loads of regular PvP, or to be able to enjoy the PvE side without fear of attack form other players, which appears to be what many of the discussions are about.

Will there be jerks, grieffers, and trolls absolutely. But it honestly seems like to me that pve is what drives the character progression. Pvp is a side option it is not the foundation of this game.

You may be right, but none of the above actually relates to my initial post. Yes it comes under the general PvP vs PvE topic, but much more specifically I was attempting to open a discussion about why people often react differently to being killed by other players than when killed by NPCs.

I personally enjoy PvP over NPC because it provides more of a challenge with every pirate having a different fighting style but would like to see NPC ships not like a massive amount either but just enough to keep it interesting if I am playing around 3 am and i don't run into any ships for an hour or more I would probably lose interest in that game session which could be possible with PvP only.. all I know is I trust Rare either way with the game looking phenomenal as it is right now.

wait, they can't, right?

@erikinthebakery good thing the sharks can't man cannons then :D

I would rather pvp personally. It keeps things interesting. It is the reason games like borderlands get boring after a while whereas games like overwatch or call of duty stay popular. NPC adversaries are predictable. There movements and actions will always be the same. Players on the other hand can be creative. You’ll never know what they’re going to do and that’s what makes it more fun

@a-cranky-eskimo said in Death by PvE vs PvP:

[...] pretty much everything else is now floating or under 3-4 ft of ice cold salt water...

oh man, that's tough! Hey, at least you're safe (right?) :)

@koshdukai said in Death by PvE vs PvP:

I suspect that interacting with (or "being killed" by) PvE/NPCs usually helps to keep the immersion and the illusion of the virtual world allowing to experience almost a role-play kinda of experience, simply due to the NPC behavior.

NPCs conform to expected behaviors within the game lore.

Players rarely conform to anything ;)

It breaks the immersion seeing a bunch of (player) characters always jump-running around like crazy people as if the ground was on fire, doing odd sharp or 270º turns, basically doing weird/unnatural/unexpected (in the game lore sense) stuff.

Maybe that's why, in a "lore oriented" game, PvP style fights in certain situations and with some players might break this immersion, more so if people start being childishly annoying on Mics or acting weirdly funny and totally unlike what's expected from the situation at hand (like 2 guys fighting and a guy jumping up'n'down in circles. EDIT: ok, maybe he's role-playing a panic attack xD)

Also, if there were NPC ships in this game and 99% of them started shooting everything and anything on sight even parked ships at outposts, I'm guessing most of us would consider that a bug or extremely poor game design... which, funnily enough, if players do it, it's not a bug :P ...but it still feels weird since that's really not how one would expect things should happen in this game "world".
I've never seen a pirate movie or story where every parked ship was sunk on sight or any living being was shot on sight. That's an extremely boring and lame world to live in, TBH.
Almost like having a house on the beach but the beach is a minefield. Step it at your own risk while trying to enjoy that beach.

Im with you, you make some good points as to why its perceived differently, but what a good day for you to make a beach house metaphor. The house i live in the basement of is near the beach. Real close. So close that this snow storm the north east is getting hit by flooded my whole room, i only saved my phone tv and xbox in time... pretty much everything else is now floating or under 3-4 ft of ice cold salt water.... there are worse things than being killed by another player! Lol.... im not rich by any means but thank god for family and living in a good place in this world so ill be fine haha.. good day for the beach metaphor though lol

Apart from that "immersion breaking" notion, I guess being killed by PvP (if done right and in a fun way) wouldn't be that different from being killed by a mob of NPCs.

Okay sorry to do this but as the beta gets closer and closer people can’t seem to leave the pvp/pve topic alone. I currently seems to be the biggest discussion on the forums.
Look the game is an open world the slogan is play as you want.
Will there be jerks, grieffers, and trolls absolutely. But it honestly seems like to me that pve is what drives the character progression. Pvp is a side option it is not the foundation of this game

@jetorchidee97 I was thinking this same thing. It would be cool to be given the chance to "raid" another crew's voyage and then decide whether or not to take on the challenge!

@katttruewalker said in Death by PvE vs PvP:

Harder, as you mention, when other players are 'doing their own thing' and with proximity chat, the intrusions from real life will affect that immersion as well as less concordant gamertags appearing. You'd not necessarily encounter an 'xxxsh00tFrstxxx' in most rpg game settings for instance.

Exactly. ...and yeah I totally forgot to mention the immersion breaking gamertags! :D

@koshdukai

I think you make some really good points there, particularly about immersion and consistency within the world of Sea of Thieves - it's definitely easier to become a 'pirate' when everything around you is congruous with the world in which we're playing. NPC's, both ships and those characters populating outposts and the world in general really do help to balance that immersion in favour of the genre.

Harder, as you mention, when other players are 'doing their own thing' and with proximity chat, the intrusions from real life will affect that immersion as well as less concordant gamertags appearing. You'd not necessarily encounter an 'xxxsh00tFrstxxx' in most rpg game settings for instance.

I suspect that interacting with (or "being killed" by) PvE/NPCs usually helps to keep the immersion and the illusion of the virtual world allowing to experience almost a role-play kinda of experience, simply due to the NPC behavior.

NPCs conform to expected behaviors within the game lore.

Players rarely conform to anything ;)

It breaks the immersion seeing a bunch of (player) characters always jump-running around like crazy people as if the ground was on fire, doing odd sharp or 270º turns, basically doing weird/unnatural/unexpected (in the game lore sense) stuff.

Maybe that's why, in a "lore oriented" game, PvP style fights in certain situations and with some players might break this immersion, more so if people start being childishly annoying on Mics or acting weirdly funny and totally unlike what's expected from the situation at hand (like 2 guys fighting and a guy jumping up'n'down in circles. EDIT: ok, maybe he's role-playing a panic attack xD)

Also, if there were NPC ships in this game and 99% of them started shooting everything and anything on sight even parked ships at outposts, I'm guessing most of us would consider that a bug or extremely poor game design... which, funnily enough, if players do it, it's not a bug :P ...but it still feels weird since that's really not how one would expect things should happen in this game "world".
I've never seen a pirate movie or story where every parked ship was sunk on sight or any living being was shot on sight. That's an extremely boring and lame world to live in, TBH.
Almost like having a house on the beach but the beach is a minefield. Step it at your own risk while trying to enjoy that beach.

Apart from that "immersion breaking" notion, I guess being killed by PvP (if done right and in a fun way) wouldn't be that different from being killed by a mob of NPCs.

@thorhammer3 Haha! I think you might be right there..

I say these things @KattTruewalker , then I look at the profile picture I chose and realize, I might have a grogging problem...lol hic!

You people and your treasure ships... (Scoffs)!
Give me an NPC ship carrying barrels of grog! Now that's worth fighting for! ARR!!!

I want a strong pve component. I wqnt those npc ships attacking us.... one thing i hate about arc survival is the non stop griefing..... i dont want this game to become like that...

By having a enemy npc faction it would encourage other pirate crews to work together at times and truce...