@burnbacon said in Remove "Pre-Eating":

Pre-eating (consuming food at full health before taking any damage) has become one of the most dominant metas in SoT PvP, and I think it's bad for the game.

This here has been proven not 100% correct.
For starters, when you eat, you're not doing anything or can't do anything else until you finish the animation of eating. So while you believe someone is invincible while they stuff food, you can be popping them with so much more damage; the effects of the healing are negated.
Posion/Fire/Splash damage all counter this.

There's no counter-play to someone who's already mid-eat before you've pulled the trigger.

This states it's only effective against guns. Meanwhile, there are other ways to damage players. But frankly, I can't see those people; it's only double-gunners who seem to have this issue against players.

Just weeks ago there was someone saying Sword is OP because of the "Stun" so wouldn't this stun also counter?

The fix: Remove the ability to consume food when a player is at full health.

Or remove the healing all together? You can still eat it, but it would be a waste or add the effect of overeating, if you will. So they puke up their extra food.
Bring back puking as a tactical means of fighting.

Need more creative fighters than these meta users.

genuinely what are u saying

@kaekss said in Remove "Pre-Eating":

@xdreegan said in Remove "Pre-Eating":

@kaekss I agree, although I'm with you in that I'm not sure there's even a fix for something like this, as it's almost foundational to game in how it works. Watching sweats PvP in this game really hammers home the awkwardness of this game's PvPvE hybrid approach to combat.

As an aside, you have my sympathies. I genuinely cannot ever tell if he's trolling or just constantly in bad-faith mode. You'd swear he was a bitter dev's burner account at this point haha.

In no way does pre-eating (chugging down 5 pines) make you a "sweat". In what game can you sit there self healing to out heal damage that should have killed you multiple times over.

I never said it did. I simply watch a lot of high level PvP in this game to understand where the break points are.

Pre-eating (consuming food at full health before taking any damage) has become one of the most dominant metas in SoT PvP, and I think it's bad for the game.

This here has been proven not 100% correct.
For starters, when you eat, you're not doing anything or can't do anything else until you finish the animation of eating. So while you believe someone is invincible while they stuff food, you can be popping them with so much more damage; the effects of the healing are negated.
Posion/Fire/Splash damage all counter this.

There's no counter-play to someone who's already mid-eat before you've pulled the trigger.

This states it's only effective against guns. Meanwhile, there are other ways to damage players. But frankly, I can't see those people; it's only double-gunners who seem to have this issue against players.

Just weeks ago there was someone saying Sword is OP because of the "Stun" so wouldn't this stun also counter?

The fix: Remove the ability to consume food when a player is at full health.

Or remove the healing all together? You can still eat it, but it would be a waste or add the effect of overeating, if you will. So they puke up their extra food.
Bring back puking as a tactical means of fighting.

Need more creative fighters than these meta users.

Please avoid engaging in personal arguments and derailing the topic of the thread. It is fine to debate the content of the post, and the viewpoints therein, but disrespecting any of your fellow pirates personally is against the pirate code, and our forum rules.

People eating Pineapples is OP
Eating Meat is OP
Eating is OP
breathing is OP

when is this nonsense gonna stop?

@sweetsandman said in Remove "Pre-Eating":

@kaekss I think the real problem (or at least a big part of it) is:

Pineapples. Need. To. Be. Nerfed.

They're not only too powerful, they're entirely too abundant at this point.

I miss the days when, if you had a pineapple, you used that thing strategically. You made SURE you were maximizing its benefits.

Now players just gargle them nonstop whether they're at 90 health, 50 health, or 10 health... having a pocket with TEN FULL HEALTH restores at all times is absolutely ridiculous.

Bananas, Coconuts and even Pomegranates have basically been obsoleted.

Reduce the pineapple to be a single bite and make it a 90 health restore instead of 100. You'll quickly see a change in the metas.

Couldn't agree more with this

I am however trying to think of the simplest, lowest effort fix for it (you know why)

@kaekss I think the real problem (or at least a big part of it) is:

Pineapples. Need. To. Be. Nerfed.

They're not only too powerful, they're entirely too abundant at this point.

I miss the days when, if you had a pineapple, you used that thing strategically. You made SURE you were maximizing its benefits.

Now players just gargle them nonstop whether they're at 90 health, 50 health, or 10 health... having a pocket with TEN FULL HEALTH restores at all times is absolutely ridiculous.

Bananas, Coconuts and even Pomegranates have basically been obsoleted.

Reduce the pineapple to be a single bite and make it a 90 health restore instead of 100. You'll quickly see a change in the metas.

In what game can you sit there self healing to out heal damage that should have killed you multiple times over.

Elden Ring, Fortnite, Minecraft, Ark, among a few come to mind. Im sure many other games do have this.

In no way does pre-eating (chugging down 5 pines) make you a "sweat"

Desperate to stay alive, is a sweaty thing to do. So is jumping around like a rabbit and later coming to the forums complaining about a system that either got you killed because of your own failures or something didnt kil fast enough because, again failures to understand it.

@burnbacon said in Remove "Pre-Eating":

Can't do both, your either eating or attacking. (well you can hop like a rabbit)
but that just leaves you open to wasting those foods from blunders, fire, poison, gun play, sword strikes, etc.

Wasting food?

healing doesnt prevent death, only delays and often it isnt enough.

You simply don't understand what the guys in here are talking about. First of all because this is mostly an issue at the absolute highest level where players are hitting majority of their shots, and their movement is top tier, which allows them to move around and dodge bullets by players using 2 weapons whilst healing.

But I'll give you an example of where you might run into this:

You're at the Shores of Gold, goofing around. Suddenly a ship sails through the shroud.
You die to a skeleton and respawn on your ship. You see the enemy ship. A hostile sloop with Reapers Mark flags up.
They anchor next to you, and you immediately see the glint of their Eye of Reach scope.
You are 100HP.
What do you do?
You start chomping a pineapple.
Why?
Because by the time their bullet hits you, the healing animation is completed and immediately after being sniped in the face, you are already back up to 100HP.
The opponent think you have to spend time healing now, after hitting you. When reality is, you're already at 100HP and are sniping or cannoning back at them before they have even reloaded their own sniper.

Suddenly you have the upper hand simply because you pre-ate a pineapple.

Pre-eating gives the attacker a false sense of security, thinking this is the moment to push you or make a move, while in reality they basically did 0 damage.

@xdreegan said in Remove "Pre-Eating":

@kaekss I agree, although I'm with you in that I'm not sure there's even a fix for something like this, as it's almost foundational to game in how it works. Watching sweats PvP in this game really hammers home the awkwardness of this game's PvPvE hybrid approach to combat.

As an aside, you have my sympathies. I genuinely cannot ever tell if he's trolling or just constantly in bad-faith mode. You'd swear he was a bitter dev's burner account at this point haha.

In no way does pre-eating (chugging down 5 pines) make you a "sweat". In what game can you sit there self healing to out heal damage that should have killed you multiple times over.

@kaekss I agree, although I'm with you in that I'm not sure there's even a fix for something like this, as it's almost foundational to game in how it works. Watching sweats PvP in this game really hammers home the awkwardness of this game's PvPvE hybrid approach to combat.

As an aside, you have my sympathies. I genuinely cannot ever tell if he's trolling or just constantly in bad-faith mode. You'd swear he was a bitter dev's burner account at this point haha.

i guess spamming left click and eating 5 pines when boarding is what someone who has mastered sot is capable of

Can't do both, your either eating or attacking. (well you can hop like a rabbit)
but that just leaves you open to wasting those foods from blunders, fire, poison, gun play, sword strikes, etc.

healing doesnt prevent death, only delays and often it isnt enough.

@ixxxoloff i guess spamming left click and eating 5 pines when boarding is what someone who has mastered sot is capable of

@d3adst1ck

Fair point. Don't actually care that much about this one. 🤔

@kaekss Learn to play

@soloventure6142 said in Remove "Pre-Eating":

@callmebackdraft

If they extended the length of time it took to receive health regen from eating, it would balance PVP a bit.

What your saying is true, players do eat at full health and accurately predict when they are going to receive damage which is a tactic but a bit of an exploit.

It's not an exploit at all, it's how the healing system was designed. Making it take even longer would make combat worse, not better. You'd create a situation where healing is not really useful because it would be easily outpaced by damage. If you get hit first, you would be at a huge disadvantage.

@callmebackdraft

If they extended the length of time it took to receive health regen from eating, it would balance PVP a bit.

What your saying is true, players do eat at full health and accurately predict when they are going to receive damage which is a tactic but a bit of an exploit.

@burnbacon the thing is not about eating when full….

It is STARTINGto eat when still full HP when you are expecting to take damage, with the sheer goal of hitting the exact point of gaining health, the split second after taking said expected damage.

So the Actual eating/healing doesnt happen when full.

It is used MASSIVELY in combat nowadays to survive extended periods of time and it doesnt matter if you use cooked meat for this because the overheal effect takes too long to trigger anyways.

If you would pull this out of combat and use it for something else as a hypothetical situation, you jump/fall off the top of galleons grave, from experience you know this takes lets say 5 seconds, you are full health but dont want to risk being damaged for even a second and you know the eating animation takes 3 seconds to run before the healing effect actually triggers, you this start eating 2.5 seconds into the fall and the health ng effect triggers exactly .5 seconds after taking the falling damage. (these numbers are fictional just to make a point)

Add new effect, Eating while full = Throwing up. XD
and when you throw up, you get sick and get the drunk effect.

That be fun, and throwing up, not enough people use this tactic during combat

@d3adst1ck said in Remove "Pre-Eating":

If anything, it's the amount of full heal food available and how easy it is to get.

I've thought about this, I think a good fix could be to:

• Reduce pineapple healing to 70%
• Remove the second bite (change to single bite like all other fruits)
• Cap the amount of pineapples a player inventory can hold to 2 or 3
• Remove pineapples from captaincy supplies and hourglass crates (instead increase the mango count)

I would be happy with these