@ablepirate said in "Increased Player Sightings on the Seas" Feedback:

@shadowfox327533 This would be a good help. Also would be appreciated if they looked at the reasons why people dive out of a server and see if they can keep players on the same server for a longer amount of time

Yeah that’s a good point too.

A lot of people diving out isn’t really the problem itself, it’s why they’re doing it. If crews feel like the server’s dead or there’s nothing going on, of course they’re gonna dive and try their luck somewhere else in Sea of Thieves.

If servers had more going on or more reasons for ships to stick around, people probably wouldn’t be hopping as much in the first place. The more crews that stay on the same server for a while, the more those natural encounters start happening again.

@shadowfox327533 This would be a good help. Also would be appreciated if they looked at the reasons why people dive out of a server and see if they can keep players on the same server for a longer amount of time

@AblePirate

Getting more ships on servers again is a good thing. The seas felt dead for a while, so running into more crews in Sea of Thieves is honestly a win.

But ships diving up basically on top of fresh spawns or people sitting at an outpost chest is kinda rough. If someone just loaded in and is still messing with ship cosmetics or supplies, suddenly having a ship appear in cannon range with zero warning isn’t great.

I don’t think ships surfacing within sight is a bad system though. The game’s way more fun when you can actually spot sails on the horizon instead of sailing empty water.

Just feels like they should tweak it so dives can’t happen directly onto outposts or fresh spawns. That alone would probably solve most of the weird situations people are running into.

@ablepirate Saturday, so might have been before the fix. I wrote my post before the fix was announced. But as suspected, they said it was due to wrongly merged ships!

Hopefully something like this could be done for diving

@dermasterbob

Thanks for the clarification.

@realstyli
Yea it drops a copy.

@ablepirate said in "Increased Player Sightings on the Seas" Feedback:

@realstyli Don't the APL/MI portals drop your emissary flag if it was raised too?

I haven't checked in a long time but I thought they made it so it drops a copy for anyone persuing, rather than dropping it outright? If I were at home, I could log in and see.

@realstyli Don't the APL/MI portals drop your emissary flag if it was raised too?

@ablepirate

Yep, and it's also faster than APL/MI portals, as it's only one way. Players are players, and will use all the tools they're given to make life easier, even if it's not the intended usecase. So this really should have been predicted.

@realstyli This would be a good change to diving, I was always confused on why they added a feature based off of APL server hopping, and not add any restrictions. I don't remember there being any pushback at the time either

@drbensei said in "Increased Player Sightings on the Seas" Feedback:

I literally saw vault loot get silent merged away from me on an island I was on while my shipmate saw the Galleon we chased away pop into nothingness (it didn't sink, it popped away).

I saw more people on X having the same issue, and SoT Support said "they are aware".

Something with the merge mechanic is currently broken. Honestly, I'd rather see no ships than have to fight a Galleon for an hour and see my loot taken from me just because said Galleon plays "shoot and run" with a sloop.

Out of interest when was this? The latest game update announcement they released a few hours ago has said it has been fixed last week

@pc-monkfish said in "Increased Player Sightings on the Seas" Feedback:

@realstyli said in "Increased Player Sightings on the Seas" Feedback:

Don't see them outright getting rid of it, but there are certainly reasonable changes they could make to diving to make it less viable as a way to constantly server hop.

• Aye - remove all dives apart from events that are faction specific loot that has loot tied to that event : Sea Forts, Skelly Forts, Fleets etc

• New event's don't get Faction specific Raid Voyages. You want Krakens Teeth? Get 'em in the existing events. Don't need them in Ashen Garrisons. No diving to Mega Stashes.

• Stop creating Diving Commendations : Diving to Hunters Call Voyages, Diving to Ashen Garrisons etc

• Emissary Flag reverts to Grade I on a dive

There have been so many ideas on this that would work better than what they have done.

Personally, I would like to see the cooldown on dives increased, regardless if it's completed or not... so something like 20 mins cooldown by default and 10 mins if it's completed. This would, in most cases, mean a crew using them as-intended should be able to dive again once they sell or soon after. It removes the viability of lower tier voyages being used to hop servers frequently.

A similar cooldown should be applied to portals.

Regarding the Emmisary Flag, I don't think it needs to revert to Grade I, as even dropping down by one grade each dive should be enough to incentivise staying on a server. (I realise they would need to lock the Emissary voyage once it's claimed, until the flag is lowered, to prevent people exploiting it.)

@ablepirate I agree, there needs to be some adjustments made to how player merging/diving works. I reckon if a player is diving to an Outpost (for a Tall Tale), the Outpost should have no ships in general there, thus allowing freshspawns some breathing room, and players who are selling their loot to not have the surprise of another ship rocking up randomly from the depths (as opposed to been jumped because of not paying attention to the surroundings for other ships).

Outside of that, I will admit the servers feel much more alive as of late, especially on OCE (which is usually quiet), so I am liking that. So overall good changes have been made, they just need to be tweaked as... they haven't quite hit the mark. :)

@realstyli said in "Increased Player Sightings on the Seas" Feedback:

Don't see them outright getting rid of it, but there are certainly reasonable changes they could make to diving to make it less viable as a way to constantly server hop.

• Aye - remove all dives apart from events that are faction specific loot that has loot tied to that event : Sea Forts, Skelly Forts, Fleets etc

• New event's don't get Faction specific Raid Voyages. You want Krakens Teeth? Get 'em in the existing events. Don't need them in Ashen Garrisons. No diving to Mega Stashes.

• Stop creating Diving Commendations : Diving to Hunters Call Voyages, Diving to Ashen Garrisons etc

• Emissary Flag reverts to Grade I on a dive

I literally saw vault loot get silent merged away from me on an island I was on while my shipmate saw the Galleon we chased away pop into nothingness (it didn't sink, it popped away).

I saw more people on X having the same issue, and SoT Support said "they are aware".

Something with the merge mechanic is currently broken. Honestly, I'd rather see no ships than have to fight a Galleon for an hour and see my loot taken from me just because said Galleon plays "shoot and run" with a sloop.

Guys i actually have a revolutionary fix for diving. Remove diving, BUT, and heres the big but here...
Double, maybe even triple the speed of all ships. The big problem is getting places is slow, the other problem is, nobody is around, well the fix to both is removing diving (you stay on ur server) and doubling ship speeds, stops complaints about places taking too long to get to, plus i thin ships speeding around would be fun and funnier than what we have now.

I feel like this change doesn't necessarily increase player sightings - just the chance for guaranteed player combat when players dive up upon each other at an extremely close range.

Well, got to break a few eggs to make a omelet. Need to see more players, players like to Dive alot. :p

@elmo6842 said in "Increased Player Sightings on the Seas" Feedback:

So everyone complains they see no one on the seas so they made it to where now you spawn directly next to someone and now everyone is complaining they don't want to be near other ships. So which one do you want? Diving didn't make the game mode dead. There were tons of people on it and you sailed by people constantly still.

I never saw the seas as dead, even when people were complaining, until Season 11. There were always ships on the seas, but I think Rare are listening too much to content creators who want constant action and are "hunting". The problem is that they're not very good at hunting, and are lazy.

Safer seas has made the game dead. Get rid of that mode and see how many people show back up on the seas. Either they learn to play as it was intended or they leave cause they don't want to learn the game.

Nah, Safer Seas kept players playing that would otherwise have left completely. There are plenty more games out there that they would go play instead. Removing Safer Seas won't increase server population on High Seas, because servers should scale to the size of the playerbase.

Rare have it half-right with their analysis but for the wrong reasons. Diving is leaving spots behind on servers that aren't back-filled, so rather than deal with the cause (diving) they are trying to treat the end result, badly.

@sweetsandman said in "Increased Player Sightings on the Seas" Feedback:

@ablepirate You missed one of the ways they could resolve the issues.

• get rid of diving

Don't see them outright getting rid of it, but there are certainly reasonable changes they could make to diving to make it less viable as a way to constantly server hop.

@sweetsandman Based, but I don't think it's ever going to happen at this point

@elmo6842 There's a difference between being able to see and encounter other people on the seas then being dived upon by another ship without warning to the same island as you. I'd rather they find a way to keep player retention on the same server.

If there are 8,000 players playing, and let's just say for argument's sake that 7,000 of them are on Safer Seas, there's still no reason why there can't be 6 ships on a server. However, hourglass is going to take up 2 of those spots, leaving just 4 ships per server. Of those 4 ships, how many are just supplying up and diving? Or, your server gets a new ship, they don't see anything worth doing, and dive out again? We don't know how many are coming and going, but hourglass reserves 2 spots, or 30% of that total server.

@ablepirate You missed one of the ways they could resolve the issues.

• get rid of diving