Fighting against larger ships as a solo or duo sloop is way more about outranging your opponents and slowly building up pressure. To effectively do this, though, you generally need to be better at everything especially shooting cannons at range. You'll be harder to hit, and they'll be easier. I don't think the developers want to make solo slooping an overly easy option.

add is that as someone with less than perfect hearing, some visual indicators for accessibility would help dramatically. Fortnite does this with footsteps, so the hearing impaired and people who want to play quietly can see when others are approaching

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But you have to remember here.
You’re wanting visual aid for when people board or try to be sneaky. Tucking people won’t like this when people turning them on to help catch them sneaking in the water or trying to quietly climb. Next will need other better audio to help see players for the blind.
Penny for thoughts.

And Fortnite vs sea of thieves is poor comparison. That comparing halo and cod, each have there own traits that make them better or worse. Keeps them special and unique, not a copycat.

@burnbacon said in Rolling up ladders for solos:

Funny how a simple ladder is the deciding factor to a simple game.

Exactly

One last thing I would add is that as someone with less than perfect hearing, some visual indicators for accessibility would help dramatically. Fortnite does this with footsteps, so the hearing impaired and people who want to play quietly can see when others are approaching. If I had some visual cue as to swimming or ladder grabbing it might not be as bad for me.

This game has been out for years with mostly the same mechanics and people complaining about a lot of the same things. As the player base starts to dwindle why not make some quality of life improvements like this and see what happens? Ah but that is not in the spirit of the game or how it was intended. This game has been out for like 8 years now what's the worst it could do? lol

Why not do something like allow multiple game modes and players choose their experience? See what people actually pick.

Again I will point to Fortnite, despite if you like that game or not, it has multiple game modes to choose from and it didn't kill the player base, its still raking in $$$ and has millions of active players per day. Some options and variety would be nice in SOT.

@rambobrad
???. Clearly the person who made this thread thought ladder boarding was toxic.

I'm not sure about ladders here (though, I think the "if your mast/anchor is down your ladders are down" form is probably the best idea here) but I will say, boarding is really meta, and one good board can completely undo good naval. It would be nice if the rewards were a little more balanced for the risk.

@burnbacon maybe but thats just your opinion

I would love to see all ladders up on all ships just to make ship battles less bunny jumping more ship combat

Just ram your ship into them, avoid the ladder.
Harpoon onto deck from the Mast. Cannon shot over.

Remove ladder boarding, and start using the other less "exhausting" part and you will still have the same outcome.

Instead of watching the two..Two ladders, now you got to watch for ships getting close, or flying pirates. (open sky)

@shadowfox327533 "toxic ways to board you"

bruh

People would just find new toxic ways to board you, and knock you off the boat repeatedly while they sink you. Also, it would be a lot of work to have ladder roll-up JUST for solo sloops. I do see your point, boarders can be exhausting

@lazy-eye-ed I would love to see all ladders up on all ships just to make ship battles less bunny jumping more ship combat, maybe once you hit the mast down the ship’s ladder comes down ,when ships are stationary ladders are down as well .

Please avoid engaging in personal arguments and derailing the topic of the thread. It is fine to debate the content of the post, and the viewpoints therein, but disrespecting any of your fellow pirates personally is against the pirate code, and our forum rules.

I want to fire cannons during a ship battle, not fight off boarders and fight with weapons in a confined space on a sloop.

Never read or seen some of the movies? This what happens during combat, mix of both land and sea.

However I still want to fire cannons not camp my ladders.

Get a crewmate, Snake baskets, Bear Traps, throw down some crates/treasure chests. So many tools to use.
OR...let them board and use a Horn to blow them away/Blunder them off.

If you get knocked off while your ship is moving you can always take a mermaid.

Not when your ship is still nearby, sailing in a circle and you can grab the ladder with ease.....wait, ladder is up or enemy is watching "your ladders' now.

because their tactic was just to spam board until they eventually got on and then I got camped by a bucket head "Legend of the sea of thieves". Yikes.

So, you as a solo fight a duo sloop. They both left there ship...to board. Meaning..you could of fired at there ship, put some holes and force them to decide. Save your ship or board.
Good tactic, Set your ship on fire. Let them burn as they get on xD

Funny how a simple ladder is the deciding factor to a simple game.
If they add roll up ladders. Players will make sure to knock you off (with ease mind you) and prevent you from getting a mermaid. Leaving you only to try and swim away, or die.
Then...Spawn killing.

@lazy-eye-ed Salty update incoming.

I just tried to fight another sloop, I was solo they had two. My main goal was to just stay on board and block their boards. Nope, I guess I just stink, because their tactic was just to spam board until they eventually got on and then I got camped by a bucket head "Legend of the sea of thieves". Yikes.

No thanks, I am out again. I will check back in a couple of years if this game is still around if they have made any adjustments to ladders so I can just have a boat fight in a pirate game. Sad because I loved this game.

@lazy-eye-ed I used to love PVP in this game, but I left years ago due to this. I want to fire cannons during a ship battle, not fight off boarders and fight with weapons in a confined space on a sloop. I recently played again and it looks like they finally added FOV adjustments after all of these years! So that does help a bit with ship fighting. However I still want to fire cannons not camp my ladders.

There needs to be a land based weapon fighting mode so players can fight on land and have space to run around. Most people I played with years ago would love this mode!

I think the best approach to ladders would be when the ship is anchored, when the sails are up, or when the mast is down ......the ladders drop. If you knock my mast down or catch me anchored somewhere, come on aboard. All other scenarios the ladders should be up. If you get knocked off while your ship is moving you can always take a mermaid. I would grind hourglass and start playing again if they did this.

@lazy-eye-ed said in Rolling up ladders for solos:

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My god I'm a cave troll when it comes to technical issues. I'll figure it out eventually. Thank you Lemon.

You're using the "less than" sign :), it's the one pointing to the right

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My god I'm a cave troll when it comes to technical issues. I'll figure it out eventually. Thank you Lemon.

@lazy-eye-ed

Understandable. Difficult to find a someone to actual have conversation with here. Always "your wrong Im right"

@lazy-eye-ed said in Rolling up ladders for solos:

How do I highlight stuff like you do btw I'm not smort enough to figure it out.

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@burnbacon
"No offense but I think I'm gonna pass on further discussion with you. Agree to disagree."

Wall of text doesn’t help convince or prove the feature is needed. Keep it to the point.

Remember. If you can something in your ship. Other players can as well. Meaning if someone forces you off your ship, they can roll up the ladderr. Preventing you from getting back the easy way.
Can’t be a feature locked from other crews.

@smuntface
"The sweat-angle works, because the best players are better able to adapt to mechanics, adopting techniques to exploit them, potentially widening the gap between themselves and other players."
That is a Rare problem is it not? If I have to be scared of people exploiting stuff, Rare needs to get a grip on the problem and remove said exploits. They did so in the past I believe (I'm thinking about the removal of crud launch for example). Why design a playstyle (or angle as you said) that is made for defense against game breaking mechanics instead of incentivicing a defined skill goal both sides have to meet so that they both have a fighting (and winning) chance in battle? Like dang why even PvP if the outcome is decided by who knows the newest and best exploits.
"Rare has changed quite a few things, like the One-Blunder, to try and bring that skill gap closer."
I dont understand how the removal of One-Blunder tightens the skill gap. It would've been the perfect defense against someone who chooses to harpoon bord spam because I actually have a chance to punish him for it instead of leaf blowing him off the boat so he can try again. Which forces me to spend more time ladder guarding. Plus the amount of times I've seen players who have 5x my hours die to a swabbie One-Blunder makes me doubt this supposed reducing the skill gap even more.
"You're being hunted by a sweaty Sloop-of-Doom. Both solo. They're deadly on cannons from extreme range, you've no chance in a naval battle, your supplies are exhausted. Harpoon gun is your only option to board, they're likely double gunning."
So whats the issue? We have a guy (which is rare enough in adventure no pun intended) that is excellent at the game and has put in the hours to develop his naval and tdm skills. This guy has done the work and beating me is what should happen. Why else aquire skill? And why in the world would I even consider boarding in this scenario. If he is destroying me in naval that is the last thing I'd want to do because as we are both solos I'd have to divert all my attention to simply surviving.
"Hourglass. Ever had a Solo Sloop battle go for 30mins+ while the other guy just runs? I have. Taking away ladders sounds depressing for both."
I agree with this. I can't speak for HG players because the amount of Hourglass battles I have done in my life you can count on both hands. I resent the formulaic, repetitive nature and the mediocre rewards for it but that's on a whole other page. I am speaking solely for adventure big boat vs solo boat scenario and have to defer to the wisdom of my esteemed colleagues regarding anything involving Hourglass and its particular nature. Disabling the ladder roll up for sounds like a fine compromise to me.
"On the flip-side, once a larger crew realizes you're a solo, they'd equip harpoon guns, and since you mentioned harpoon-board-spam is a problem for you already, will rolling up ladders even change anything for you?"
...Yes? Am I missing the point here? Having to defend one ladder or no ladder at all allows me as a solo to invest more time in repairing, sail adjustement, cannoning and thinking in general. The only thing I need to look out for is ram, camp and rodl and deck shots. As I said you can't reliably defend yourself against a decent brig that knows you are solo even if you are of equal or higher skill level. Like what options do I have if there are 2 people climbing both of my ladders and I only have one blunder? Which doesn't even kill? This way I could at least potentially get rid of one while the other drops my anchor probably and then I can deal with him. That's still not ideal but the one guy managing the brig suddenly has a much larger workload and with old respawn times for brigs killing one and killing the second guy after some time might actually give me a chance to recover. But since we don't have old respawn times for brigs and One-Blunder is gone and harpoon gun is a thing why not let me roll up ladders? Solo is a valid playstyle and if Rare doesn't want to balance it that's their perogative but remove it then so I can finally quit the game. As it is right now solo is not a viable playstyle anymore. The only dubs you can get are against bots and new players. Even the 10k hour solos agree and are leaving the sinking ship. It's atrocious to think about what a Miffoo or BoxyFresh could do in the past and compare it to what he can do now. For me it's even worse because I do have my 2k hours played but am still nowhere near their level. Thank you for your input I value it. Sorry if I ranted a bit I can't help myself.
How do I highlight stuff like you do btw I'm not smort enough to figure it out.