It only works if you are not also sailing against the waves, so SW, S, SE, E, NE. If you are sailing into the waves the waves slow the sloop more than the bigger ships.

@WolfManbush @D3ADST1CK Okay i actually had the perfect example just 30 minutes ago. Being chased by a well manned brig, adjusting their sails etc, going against the wind going SSE, our sails dead-wind. We pulled away very quickly. Seems the waves do have a huge impact on the ability to escape the chase of a brig and galleon, as well as the wind direction against your sail.

@wolfmanbush every so often.

Ship sail speeds could definitely use a balance/update pass

@tesiccl said in Sloop Speeds:

@d3adst1ck so no this is wrong. Brig will slowly catch up to a sloop that’s sailing NW due to the bump in the waves. Any other direction and the Sloop slowly pulls ahead. There is a video poorly highlighting the above and plays it off as if the Brig is suddenly the quickest ship regardless but I feel this was for clicks and complete bait. It’s absolute rubbish but will change peoples perceptions.

If we're both referring to this video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h15ugvpa9C8), then I don't see that as the conclusion. There is footage where they are both sailing perpendicular to the wave direction (appears to be south or south-west direction), meaning that the waves are not tossing the sloop around, and the brig is still slowly passing the sloop with sails set to stupid and sailing into the wind. It's only when the brig changes sails that allows the sloop to start outrunning.

@wolfmanbush

I never said an inexperienced sloop could outrun an equally inexperienced brig.

It is a skill set.

A hard learned skill set.

That sometimes includes recognizing the advantage and cutting your losses.

@tesiccl said in Sloop Speeds:

@wolfmanbush nobody is encouraging players to do this at all, I am correcting false information.

How often do you fight experienced brigs as a solo?

I'm not familiar with your play style is why I ask.

@pithyrumble I did :)

@pithyrumble said in Sloop Speeds:

@wolfmanbush said in Sloop Speeds:

@tesiccl said in Sloop Speeds:

@d3adst1ck so no this is wrong. Brig will slowly catch up to a sloop that’s sailing NW due to the bump in the waves. Any other direction and the Sloop pulls ahead. There is a video poorly highlighting the above and plays it off as if the Brig is suddenly the quickest ship regardless but I feel this was for clicks and complete bait. It’s absolute rubbish but will change peoples perceptions.

Telling inexperienced players to go against the wind as some sort of run strategy is what will lead to more frustrations from misleading advice.

Any inexperienced solo that is going to try to outrun a 10/10 aggressive brig (there are many of them) will get caught/harpooned/boarded/camped/sunk

They should sell what they can, hide it, and then not run, fight/leave server

"run against the wind" is a terrible strat in general these days for a sloop/brig and definitely will lead inexperienced players to more frustration than success.

The only time it has a chance to work in any way is an inexperienced brig that is low aggression.

It's not as simple as "into the wind". You gotta consider that SE vs NW current. Waves. Hugging islands. You can still outrun a manned, experienced brig in a solo sloop.

It's just harder now.

It's on paper vs in practice which is very often different in this game

People outrun lower aggression brigs with lower pvp experience.

An inexperienced solo is not going to.

If solos wants to succeed in the reality of solo v experienced brig it's about selling loot before the conflict, not running with loot, they will lose it.

@tesiccl

Read my post. It is more difficult now.

@wolfmanbush nobody is encouraging players to do this at all, I am correcting false information.

@wolfmanbush said in Sloop Speeds:

@tesiccl said in Sloop Speeds:

@d3adst1ck so no this is wrong. Brig will slowly catch up to a sloop that’s sailing NW due to the bump in the waves. Any other direction and the Sloop pulls ahead. There is a video poorly highlighting the above and plays it off as if the Brig is suddenly the quickest ship regardless but I feel this was for clicks and complete bait. It’s absolute rubbish but will change peoples perceptions.

Telling inexperienced players to go against the wind as some sort of run strategy is what will lead to more frustrations from misleading advice.

Any inexperienced solo that is going to try to outrun a 10/10 aggressive brig (there are many of them) will get caught/harpooned/boarded/camped/sunk

They should sell what they can, hide it, and then not run, fight/leave server

"run against the wind" is a terrible strat in general these days for a sloop/brig and definitely will lead inexperienced players to more frustration than success.

The only time it has a chance to work in any way is an inexperienced brig that is low aggression.

It's not as simple as "into the wind". You gotta consider that SE vs NW current. Waves. Hugging islands. You can still outrun a manned, experienced brig in a solo sloop.

It's just harder now.

@tesiccl said in Sloop Speeds:

@d3adst1ck so no this is wrong. Brig will slowly catch up to a sloop that’s sailing NW due to the bump in the waves. Any other direction and the Sloop pulls ahead. There is a video poorly highlighting the above and plays it off as if the Brig is suddenly the quickest ship regardless but I feel this was for clicks and complete bait. It’s absolute rubbish but will change peoples perceptions.

Telling inexperienced players to go against the wind as some sort of run strategy is what will lead to more frustrations from misleading advice.

Any inexperienced solo that is going to try to outrun a 10/10 aggressive brig (there are many of them) will get caught/harpooned/boarded/camped/sunk

They should sell what they can/hide it, and then not run, fight or leave server if they don't want to fight.

"run against the wind" is a terrible strat in general these days for a sloop/brig and definitely will lead inexperienced players to more frustration than success.

The only time it has a chance to work in any way is an inexperienced brig that is low aggression.

It is 100% pointless to run against a brig with high aggression and some experience in current SoT. Every aggressive brig with experience will catch that sloop.

@d3adst1ck said in Sloop Speeds:

@crowedhunter It does, but it doesn't seem to outpace the brigantine as easily if at all. It will still outrun the galleon in a head wind.

The brig is a pursuit ship. In ideal conditions a sloop with dummy sails (properly positioned and directly into the wind and no waves) can still outrun a brig. But you have to be perfectly aligned if you're not in island shallows.

Remember an anchor turn can cause a brig to SERIOUSLY understeer and go shooting right past you to get some room.

But absolutely boost the sloop speed. 😘 I got things to do lol.

@d3adst1ck so no this is wrong. Brig will slowly catch up to a sloop that’s sailing NW due to the bump in the waves. Any other direction and the Sloop slowly pulls ahead. There is a video poorly highlighting the above and plays it off as if the Brig is suddenly the quickest ship regardless but I feel this was for clicks and complete bait. It’s absolute rubbish but will change peoples perceptions.

@d3adst1ck Okay, well that's good. It also helps against other sloops if you are more active on the sail and can catch the wind/reset faster and impose obstacles and such.

I've noticed that it seems like there is no wasy to escape a brig but I just assumed I wasn't good enough. I'm glad to know that it's just bc brig gets to have the best cannon and sail angles and the best speed against the wind even though they can prolly catch wind when sloop can't anyway.

@d3adst1ck said in Sloop Speeds:

@crowedhunter It does, but it doesn't seem to outpace the brigantine as easily if at all. It will still outrun the galleon in a head wind.

It's gotten worse and worse

a long time ago it started out "I think that darn brig is a bit faster against wind"

over time it got to the point where they have zero sail management (pointed all over the place) and they all stand on the bow sniping because it closes so much distance so fast they don't even have to steer the boat anymore lol

@crowedhunter It does, but it doesn't seem to outpace the brigantine as easily if at all. It will still outrun the galleon in a head wind.

@d3adst1ck Awwww. So the sail reset doesn't give a speed advantage anymore?

I've fought thousands of brigs and have zero issues taking L's as a solo (it's a part of solo life)

but I got to the point in recent months with brigs (speed) where I'll just leave if they don't close the deal after their first couple ram strat best strat harpoon whatever maneuvers

I'll fight the best galleon crews that randomly pop up and take that L but brigs are ridiculous and the people that largely don't sloop vs brig fight that regularly keep saying that it's balanced (just because it exists) are the icing on the "nope" cake for me lol.

Every experienced brig crew (in random adventure) knows how annoying that speed is and they do the same thing over and over specifically to be obnoxious with it. I'm good on that lol.

As far as I know only the brigantine will catch it. No one knows when this changed, or if the original information was just wrong since it was based off of one video from 4-5 years ago.