@paparug420 said in Boarding enemy ships should have a consequence:

@lafrules the risk vs reward for boarding a ship is quite unbalanced. Let's look at the common scenarios

1. "Yay we killed the boarder now we have 15 seconds to apply pressure and oh his boat is ages away because we were repelling his attack, and by the time we get in a position to attack him, he is back and ready to try board again"

2. "Damn he killed us, ok now our anchor is dropped, our best supplies are being thrown overboard. Ok let's respawn and oh he killed us again..."

An additional FUN mechanic that can be applied to capture enemy boarders is a great idea, I love it. Finally a use for the jails

It’s all a question of perspective I guess.

For your first exemple you could also say “thank god we got him now lets take this time to repair, fully reset, and let us be more careful for boarders next pass.” As well, if his boat is away it means he is most likely solo. So, if he has the upper hand all the time, it is a skill imbalance not a game imbalance.

Your second exemple is only going to last until you either finally kill him or you sink. In this case, it is also not a game imbalance but a skill imbalance and there is nothing you can do about it but get better at pvp.

Finally, some degree of imbalance is expected and will happen no matter how much we keep changing the game. There is only so much you can do if, for example, you are a noob solo and encounter an experienced galleon.

@hiradc That's just SoT PvP, it's impossible to make getting into a losing situation less frustrating, but there's really no other way to make boarding not the play, outside of forcefully limiting planks so encounters are massive struggle-fests

@eva1977 then I apologise, hard to gauge text some times lol.

So I was just looking back at a point you made before. About the person being bored having to deal with everything going on and borders. I think maybe a way around that could be a feature where you could plank up your ladder gap, like a temporary gate. Your have to remove it (costing you planks) when you want to go island exploring. But it would mean that attackers would have to shoot off your barricade to bored out go for a deck shot.

I'd actually find that really cool and fun, having to decide if I wanted to use my plans for repair or a chance a quick barricade.

@jasonofred No not at all just asking a simple question and would actually love to hear suggestions.

@eva1977 wow kinda feels like you flew into attack there pump the breaks a little.

Well if the brig worked as you've suggest maybe instead of paying good to go too the ferry maybe have a way to break out by needing to sword dash the door a few times. The capture would hear the cleanin clinking bars and have to decide if to keep sailing it go deal with it.

Personally I accept the risk that once I'm off my ship what happens happens. That gives other players the advantage to rip my ship apart so borders don't do so lightly unless they're on a lager crew.

@nex-stargaze I wouldn't mind this, but it would take some getting used to the feeling of being unable to save your ship, a lot of people have pretty much embedded muscle memory of how much damage they can take and how to balance between pressure and reps so tweaks to this area would cause a lot of upset initially while people get used to it.

@jasonofred How about you tell us how you would like the brig to work? just wondering since most people don't seem to like my idea well then lets hear what people would like to use it for.

@eva1977 I get you, I'm still working on my timing myself. Jumping back and forth between cannons and the wheel to set up a death spiral only to them hear a border and have to drop what I'm doing to deal with that... To then hear the death grown of your ship is rough. But who knows for sure maybe rare could make the brig an amazing feature, I'd sure love to see it.

@jasonofred I would probably rarely be able to use this option since most boarders end up killing me since im distracted with canons 90% of the time but still would like to see more things added to the game and not just the brig have some purpose.

@hiradc said in Boarding enemy ships should have a consequence:

Rare have actually acknowledged on one of their official podcasts that it is the design of the game partly at fault that you need to board and kill and sometimes spawncamp players to secure the sink. Especially with the updated ferry times so solo sloopers are back so quick.
I would happily sink a player using naval alone and I understand being spawncamped doesn't feel great but with reduced blunderbombs and Cursed cannons boarding and killing is even more necessary now to secure sinks.

I feel like a potential solution would be to increase damage taken from cannonballs while both under deck and on top of deck. At the very least, naval damage should be deadly enough to ensure that not winning a broadside naval fight should be fatal, and boarding wouldn't be needed as much.

It's so satisfying to kill a crew with cannonballs, and you know they're basically going to sink with all the cannon pressure you gave them.

@paparug420 sure it be exciting but bigger crews would dominate so l any solo players who already find themselves in a bad place of sent to the ferry. Also I dunno what that last tangent was about I very much enjoy the pve world events, I use the sovereigns all the time.

Think you might have your responses muddled up. But I'm not salty, if Rare found a way to make it work then sure I think it could be interesting. But I highly doubt you'd get the satisfaction from it before players start complaining about always being brigged.

@eva1977 not sure if I agree with the minigame element of being able to free yourself as sweats would have it perfected in a few hours

BUT I do like the idea of maybe being able to rescue crew mates...

Maybe a boarder comes over. You kill him and jail him. But you didn't see the second boarder who promptly kills you AND he can now rescue his crew mate, maybe a simple lock pick minigame?

Adds in a risk to jailing. Maybe? Not sure about the rescue element lol

This was definitely something that happened on ships, captured pirates who were freed then became active combatants, rejoining their crew and fighting.

It's a fun idea and I love the use it gives to the useless jails

But the ideas and potential are endless really when you start to discuss and embrace ideas instead of just being "NO NO NO"

I'm sure if the idea was implemented that RARE would do something amazing with it

@paparug420 That's exactly how i see any type of content that is suggested, it just adds more role plaing element that otherwise having a brig serves no purpose and always wondered why no one ever relized it has lots of potential, maybe a mini puzzle can be solved for the captured pirate to solve and get out early like another user commented here.
And yes i second that when you say everyone rejects change as i seen it way back when SOT started, everyone was yes i like the idea but NO NO CHANGE! only to be years down the line with most things suggested put in to the game in one form or another and are now great additions.

@jasonofred extinguish the excitement? What are you on about lol

It would be amazing being able to capture a boarder, a mad dash to capture them before they can embrace sweet death and escape to the ferry.

If anything this would add a new element to combat and why would anyone be against that??

A small small SMALL delay to respawn? 10 seconds max.

Versus all the added benefits that this idea offers?

Did you people also rage against the idea of skeleton sloops and galleons being added?

"NO TOO MANY AI NOW"

The addition of the sovereigns?

"TOO FAST TO SELL NOW"

This is a fun idea that adds much needed functionality to the jails and FINALLY adds in a new PvP mechanic.

@lafrules the risk vs reward for boarding a ship is quite unbalanced. Let's look at the common scenarios

1. "Yay we killed the boarder now we have 15 seconds to apply pressure and oh his boat is ages away because we were repelling his attack, and by the time we get in a position to attack him, he is back and ready to try board again"

2. "Damn he killed us, ok now our anchor is dropped, our best supplies are being thrown overboard. Ok let's respawn and oh he killed us again..."

An additional FUN mechanic that can be applied to capture enemy boarders is a great idea, I love it. Finally a use for the jails

@eva1977 agree completely. This isn't to stop boarding, it's to provide an alternative gameplay element.

Capturing a boarder (like what could happen during actual fights) would result in them being "thrown in the brig" - with only a slight increase in respawn time.

I've noticed that this forum is notoriously against new ideas. I remember requesting that supply gathering should be easier and not require NONSTOP clicking (I just wanted a take all button)

Everyone was up in arms saying "NO WAY NEVER THATS UNBALANCED" and lo and behold now we have 1 click storage crates that everyone loves and says is the best thing ever!

Yet the overwhelming majority here hated the idea when it was suggested.

This is a great idea. A slight SLIGHT punishment to enemy boarders, a fun role play element, a new mini game (capture the boarder before he can flee to the ferry), a small deterrent to early boarding attempts, AND finally a fun and unique use for the jails aboard the ships!

This is such a simple idea but GREAT. Even if the time spent in jail is only 5-10seconds longer than if they had gone to the ferry, that's fine.

5-10 seconds isn't that much but it can also be crucial at times.

The jails are so useless it would be nice to have a use for them.

The sloops jail could be in the middle behind the wood barrels. Currently there is just a sitting position there that no-one is going to miss

@ixxxoloff I just think something along the lines of that can work while adding elements to make it more fun, i don't know how much time for this or that and don't know if some players would find ways around it or to abuse it, but aren't all things in the game modified after they are added based on player feedback?
Example i don't necesarily like the idea of pulling up ladders but if it was added that would make it more interesting and then other things can be added to compensate for it, if it turned out to be more of a problem than an actual help while giving us more things to work with in the game.
But thats just the way i see things, more is better.

@eva1977 I think if a player wants to board your ship, they won't be deterred by the potential danger of ending up in your prison and won't hesitate. But this idea could be extended, for example, by increasing the amount of time he stays in prison. That is, the more often the player gets aboard your ship and dies, the longer he sits. Once for 15 seconds, second time for 30 seconds, third time for 45 seconds. This would solve the problem of players who disrespect others and drag out the pvp match. Such players try to board your ship while sending their ship in the other direction so that the match never ends. And if you try to catch up with their ship, they just run away. So I think that if we add such a tough system with increased cage penalties, we will get rid of the "dirty" players who are nasty to everyone.

@jolly-ol-yep It's not a punishment it's a balance and even thought the headline says it's a "consequence" and not just about giving use to the brig, it's still my belief that it can work if done correctly.

I'm sorry but the whole point of this thread is not "there are brigs on ships, here's a way to use them more", it's "boarding enemy ships should have a consequence", implying there should be some kind of punishment for boarding.

I can't agree with those premises.

Going up a ladder shouldn't be punished or have any kind of "consequences" other than you being where said ladder was leading.

@eva1977 true but by your logic then isn't running into another play a random encounter in it's own right. I get that getting border is annoying but you can always scuttle and at least Rare are kind enough to reset your beginning supplies after sinking. Other games like Dayz, rust, hell even Minecraft make you start from scratch.

@jasonofred Well then the time on the ship of the damned can be reset back to default and the brig used instead, thats part of my point a lot of people seem to think all these settings can't be tweaked or fine tuned after a change is implemented.
And saying getting killed is "consequence" is really not making a point at all since you can get killed by sailing across the sea by a kraken, but did you do anything to merit that? no it's just a random encounter. So getting killed is part of the game and can happen anywhere at any time and if that had been an excuse or deterrent for making changes to the game then there would have never been nothing added because "you already get killed".

@eva1977 I think I get your concept but there already is a consequence, getting killed. It might look to you like it's the first thing on their mind but truth is most players have already been watching and planning before making a boarding attempt and with the respawn time varying between bigger crews and solo players and brig time on top of that would just extinguish the excitement of the encounter.