@fat-guy8633 said in Hat drops on death.:

@sailorkek ah if thats the case i see no reason to fight to get it back if i get it back next time to sail

Thats depends, maybe your getting off soon or maybe your only halfway through your voyage and dont want to start again. The idea isn't meant to be the focus of gameplay, just a neat addition that may occur

@sailorkek ah if thats the case i see no reason to fight to get it back if i get it back next time to sail

@fat-guy8633 said in Hat drops on death.:

i like my hat though :(

All the more reason to fight to get it back. Dont worry though, you'd get it back next time you set sail, its not gone forever.

@coffeelight5545 said in Hat drops on death.:

@sailorkek

The only way I would support this idea is if I automatically get my hat back in the next Sea of Thieves session.

Oh you absolutely would, hopefully I did make that clear in the OP, ill re read after this comment and change accordingly if not. Yeah no way I would want to lose cosmetics permanently, but temporarily could be a fun little interaction, not so much if it happened on every death though.

It would be neat if you could loose clothing and have an enemy wear it like a trophy but they shouldn’t be able to keep it since 50% of all the cosmetics can’t be attained through normal means and many of them were time limited or twitch drops. Any stolen clothing should be lost if you disconnect or quit and the same goes for the player who looses clothing. They should have all their clothing restored if they quit or get disconnected

I completely agree

@sailorkek

The only way I would support this idea is if I automatically get my hat back in the next Sea of Thieves session.

It would be neat if you could loose clothing and have an enemy wear it like a trophy but they shouldn’t be able to keep it since 50% of all the cosmetics can’t be attained through normal means and many of them were time limited or twitch drops. Any stolen clothing should be lost if you disconnect or quit and the same goes for the player who looses clothing. They should have all their clothing restored if they quit or get disconnected

i like my hat though :(

@pithyrumble stools are awesome I have zero clue what you mean

@ancientbeast434 said in Hat drops on death.:

@sailorkek Indiana Jones your hat from under a gold vault door... Like it

However, I don't wear a hat

Lol, if only there was a barrel roll/dodge button.

Tbh I dont often wear hats, sometimes ill have the skull cap ones so I doubt anyone wants to steal that old rag lol. Still though, I wouldn't say no to pinching a Reapers Hat from them as they try to steal my emissary

@sailorkek Indiana Jones your hat from under a gold vault door... Like it

However, I don't wear a hat

this reminds me in super mario 64 and super mario odyssey when your hat would get stolen and then you had to go chase it down by running after a monkey or a vulture
imagine if a chicken or something stole your hat and you had to chase after it to get it back :p

@sailorkek said in Hat drops on death.:

@animeowl0807 said in Hat drops on death.:

No! No! No! I love my hat!

It's mine now, either fight me for it or bring me an ashen winds skull and you can have it back, choice is yours.

Well, I'm off to the red tornado.

@animeowl0807 said in Hat drops on death.:

No! No! No! I love my hat!

It's mine now, either fight me for it or bring me an ashen winds skull and you can have it back, choice is yours.

No! No! No! I love my hat!

@eguzky said in Hat drops on death.:

Whatever, dude.
Have fun with your suggestion. Everyone who's replied has told you why it's not good, and you're plugging your ears and screaming 'LALALALA! I CAN'T HEAR YOU! I LIKE IT! WHO CARES IF IT MAKES PEOPLE UPSET!? LALALALALALA!'

Hardly, I just dont think the reasons against this idea are good enough to say it shouldn't be in the game, crying about spawn camping and trolling is redundant because half this game is already that. As nice as it would be if it were otherwise it never will because players want to act that way. Not having content that has a chance for that behaviour would leave this game as nothing but a sailing simulator, no loot would be available as players could steal it and no players could die because otherwise spawn killing MIGHT happen

The bottom line is that cosmetics should not be taken away, for any amount of time, for any reason.
No one likes your idea but you, and your excuses to add it are flimsy.

No one, literally 4 people said no, 2 or 3 others neither said yes or no... hardly the entire player base of sea of theives is it?...

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You can suggest any ideas you like, but don't expect people to not weigh in if they don't like it.

Its not about people weighing in, its just a constant barage of "no this is dumb" I've seen plenty of bad ideas but im never so inconsiderate as to birding insult the original poster, I take their idea and try to think what could what and maybe offer alternatives, ill never go "its dumb, your dumb, your a troll" as it seems some imply here.

And also; it probably won't happen when the only people replying are saying why they don't like it.

False, if you actually cared to read the thread you'll see there is more than the negativity your putting out granted its not positive but its not negative either.

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As it's clear you refuse to accept criticisms;
I'm out. I've said my piece, and it's the same stance most other posters have as well. But just in case it gets through to you:
Cosmetics, which cost in-game (Or RL money), should not be locked by the actions of OTHER PLAYERS. If I bought it, other players should not be able to take it from me in any way, shape, or form.

Why are you repeating yourself, I know your position I simply don't agree with it...

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In fact; your idea goes AGAINST the theme of the game, when you get down to it.

Guess your not "out"...

What is it people say? 'Until you turn it in; It's not yours'?
So the flip side is that, once I've turned in treasure, it becomes mine. This means anything I buy is MINE. AND NO ONE CAN TAKE IT.

Crates, commodities, cargo, cages, as i said before plenty of thing players can buy and lose. And you are taking the concept of the CHANCE to lose your hat way to seriously, is your players lore that its your grandads hat? Well thats all the more reason to fight to get it back then isn't it? Id care much more if someone stole my clothes than I care about my loot.

But I get it; you'll continue to plug your ears and scream about how great the idea is because you thought of it, while literally no one has agreed with that stance so far.

Pot kettle black just the reverse. Dont think just because you don't like an idea Rare won't either.... it was a simple suggestion which you have blown way out of proportion with unnecessary negativity and literally 0 attempt of constructive criticism...

Whatever, dude.
Have fun with your suggestion. Everyone who's replied has told you why it's not good, and you're plugging your ears and screaming 'LALALALA! I CAN'T HEAR YOU! I LIKE IT! WHO CARES IF IT MAKES PEOPLE UPSET!? LALALALALALA!'

The bottom line is that cosmetics should not be taken away, for any amount of time, for any reason.
No one likes your idea but you, and your excuses to add it are flimsy.

You can suggest any ideas you like, but don't expect people to not weigh in if they don't like it.
And also; it probably won't happen when the only people replying are saying why they don't like it.

As it's clear you refuse to accept criticisms;
I'm out. I've said my piece, and it's the same stance most other posters have as well. But just in case it gets through to you:
Cosmetics, which cost in-game (Or RL money), should not be locked by the actions of OTHER PLAYERS. If I bought it, other players should not be able to take it from me in any way, shape, or form.

In fact; your idea goes AGAINST the theme of the game, when you get down to it.
What is it people say? 'Until you turn it in; It's not yours'?
So the flip side is that, once I've turned in treasure, it becomes mine. This means anything I buy is MINE. AND NO ONE CAN TAKE IT.

But I get it; you'll continue to plug your ears and scream about how great the idea is because you thought of it, while literally no one has agreed with that stance so far.

@sailorkek said in Hat drops on death.:

@dlchief58 said in Hat drops on death.:

You never answered the question...what possible positive benefit could come of this feature? Hmmmmm?

Organic and unique experiences...

So, as I suspected, nothing as all you are doing is spouting buzzwords with the "organic and unique experience" line.

Outside of being a griefer's paradise and increasing incentive to spawn camp to get said hats (especially since it is random in your suggestion instead of dropping every time), NOTHING positive for players. You are kidding yourself (or blinded by your own hubris, not being able to accept valid criticism of your suggestions....a common theme I've noticed) if you don't think this would not incentivize spawn camping because that is EXACTLY what it would do, especially as you have it explained. And I can guarantee that it will increase taunting of players..."I've got your hat and you can't get it, NYAHHH, NYAHHH". It does nothing but reenforce bad sportsmanship and toxic gameplay through the specific targeting of players.

Oh no, how dare people brag to their opponents in victory "ThAt's ToXiC, spare me the "woe is me" speech... I can steal your loot right now and taunt you about it, letting players steal hats is literally no different and doesn't encourage nor dissuade what might be considered "unsporting like conduct"
You say it will increase spawn camp but it really won't. No one is going to spawn camp players for a 0.1% chance of a hat any more than they'll spawn camp to steal supplies. Regardless of that, if someone is being spawncamped there is always the option to scuttle the ship..

Bad sporting behavior does not need to be incentivized or glorified like you seem intent on doing. It is completely different when you take a personal item from a person, then taunt them with it, as you are making it PERSONAL. Loot is completely different as there is not (or should not be) a personal attachment to it, unlike clothing items used to customize their character. And you are punishing the player who lost the item, forcing them to either engage in a revenge battle to get it back (which can lead to escalation between players as it is a personal attack, especially if taunted by the "victor"), do without the piece for the session, equip a different one (which they also could lose in the same circumstances), or be forced to leave the server - this alone should be enough to dismiss the idea as bad!

I'm sorry but you are blind if you can't see how much this would incentivize spawn camping more than anything else present in the game. If they don't pop your cap the first time, what makes you think they won't keep at it as the more you kill someone the better the odds of it popping off are. Being able to scuttle is not an excuse to incentivize bad,
toxic behavior which is exactly what it would encourage.

Items you've bought (either with gold, ancient coins or doubloons) should remain untouchable by other players, along with the banked gold and items on your person. While this game is inspired by games like Rust, it doesn't need to go THAT far in terms of punishment...even if only for that session.

What about storage crates, cargo and commodities... sure its not cosmetic but its still gold being spent. And stealing someone's hat for a few hours really isn't going "THAT far"..

And as stated above, none of those items are PERSONAL items. They also have resale value in game, the others do not.

Stealing someone's personal item is making it personal, so yes it is. People are attached to their avatar. And if the "victor" decides to lord it over them (which anyone who has spent time on the internet knows will definitely happen, and a lot more than it should), then they are pretty much being a bully.

@eguzky said in Hat drops on death.:

OP, you have given no reasons to support your idea past 'I want it' and 'I like it' and 'It's theft'.

You have also not addressed the many valid criticisms about how such a mechanic would increase griefing and trolling with anything more than 'No it won't', which is not valid.

You're instead choosing to ignore criticisms because you don't want to hear anything bad about your idea.

See above, I didnt address them because they're quite frankly irrelevant, they're knee jerk reactions akin to "no, not my precious hat" masked under the guise of balance

But the bottom line is that it adds nothing to the game, increases opportunities to grief, and you want it added basically 'just because'.

I have stated many ways this adds to the game, simply stop ignoring my posts and take a minute to read them, and think how a feature like thisbwoukd play out in game, suorise suprise, some people will be "tOxIc" others might have a good experience in which they have to barter for their hat back in exchange for something.

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Ok. Let me take your excuse 'It's stealing!" even further:

1. I want to steal other player's ship liveries.
   I mean, that painting looks nice! And this is Sea of Thieves!
2. I want to steal other player's ships.
   Not just sail off with it, no. If I take it; I want the paint scheme, sail pattern, figurehead, wheel, and capstan locked for them. After all, this is Sea of Thieves!

Well yes, I do wish we could commandier other ships but I appreciate hiw that woukd be taxing on server and prone to exploits, hence why I'm not asking for it..

3. Lock their weapon skins.
   They died, and they CLEARLY dropped their sword and their gun! Why can't I take them!?

Yeah why not? Players can always change the skin in the ferry if they can't stand the sailor one, this game is all about risk and reward and if your nit willing to risk stuff you won't get rewarded.

4. Same with Fishing Rod/Bucket/Tankard/Instruments/Etc.
   Be really cool if I could camp someone and literally lock everything they're wearing or carrying because I spawn-camped them!

I know you were being disingenuous like so many other forum users but this really is disingenuous...

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See where I am going with this?
The idea is bad, sorry. it's nothing but a method to bother other players by hunting them down and spawn-camping them until you have stolen their hat.

No its not, being spawn camped? Scuttle, a better crew got the drop on you, thats the game im afraid. Its not guaranteed you'll lose your hat but there's a chance

I don't care if you don't want to hear that; it's the truth of the matter. Your idea adds nothing but frustration and griefing.

The whole game is frustration and griefing, literally just got sank with no loot on board whilst sailing around finishing bilge rat accommodations, I kegged them in return and went about my journey, annoying? Maybe but thats the game, I can either accept that and move on or rant and rave about "greeters and trolls" like I actually have a leg to stand on, which is exactly what your doing right now btw, saying no to any idea because someone might greif you is ridiculous, there wouldn't be a single update if Rare tried to avoid it.

You'll ride a black tornado 'cross the western sky
Rope an ol' blue northern, and milk it till it's dry
Bulldog the Mississippi and pin its ears down flat
Long before you take this cowboy's hat

@dlchief58 said in Hat drops on death.:

You never answered the question...what possible positive benefit could come of this feature? Hmmmmm?

Organic and unique experiences...

Outside of being a griefer's paradise and increasing incentive to spawn camp to get said hats (especially since it is random in your suggestion instead of dropping every time), NOTHING positive for players. You are kidding yourself (or blinded by your own hubris, not being able to accept valid criticism of your suggestions....a common theme I've noticed) if you don't think this would not incentivize spawn camping because that is EXACTLY what it would do, especially as you have it explained. And I can guarantee that it will increase taunting of players..."I've got your hat and you can't get it, NYAHHH, NYAHHH". It does nothing but reenforce bad sportsmanship and toxic gameplay through the specific targeting of players.

Oh no, how dare people brag to their opponents in victory "ThAt's ToXiC, spare me the "woe is me" speech... I can steal your loot right now and taunt you about it, letting players steal hats is literally no different and doesn't encourage nor dissuade what might be considered "unsporting like conduct"
You say it will increase spawn camp but it really won't. No one is going to spawn camp players for a 0.1% chance of a hat any more than they'll spawn camp to steal supplies. Regardless of that, if someone is being spawncamped there is always the option to scuttle the ship..

Items you've bought (either with gold, ancient coins or doubloons) should remain untouchable by other players, along with the banked gold and items on your person. While this game is inspired by games like Rust, it doesn't need to go THAT far in terms of punishment...even if only for that session.

What about storage crates, cargo and commodities... sure its not cosmetic but its still gold being spent. And stealing someone's hat for a few hours really isn't going "THAT far"..

@pithyrumble said in Hat drops on death.:

@solobeard7821 said in Hat drops on death.:

@sailorkek This is one of the strangest and least necessary ideas I have ever seen on this forum. What benefit would anyone gain from this? I don't want to spend an hour looking for my hat after I die.

I dunnoabout least necessary. We got Stools now...

Hey now! I stole a stool from an island and we used it until we got sunk!

Sniff RIP, Mr Stoolington Von Buttwarmer The Third, ESQ.

@solobeard7821 said in Hat drops on death.:

@sailorkek This is one of the strangest and least necessary ideas I have ever seen on this forum. What benefit would anyone gain from this? I don't want to spend an hour looking for my hat after I die.

I dunnoabout least necessary. We got Stools now...

OP, you have given no reasons to support your idea past 'I want it' and 'I like it' and 'It's theft'.

You have also not addressed the many valid criticisms about how such a mechanic would increase griefing and trolling with anything more than 'No it won't', which is not valid.

You're instead choosing to ignore criticisms because you don't want to hear anything bad about your idea.
But the bottom line is that it adds nothing to the game, increases opportunities to grief, and you want it added basically 'just because'.

Ok. Let me take your excuse 'It's stealing!" even further:

1. I want to steal other player's ship liveries.
   I mean, that painting looks nice! And this is Sea of Thieves!
2. I want to steal other player's ships.
   Not just sail off with it, no. If I take it; I want the paint scheme, sail pattern, figurehead, wheel, and capstan locked for them. After all, this is Sea of Thieves!
3. Lock their weapon skins.
   They died, and they CLEARLY dropped their sword and their gun! Why can't I take them!?
4. Same with Fishing Rod/Bucket/Tankard/Instruments/Etc.
   Be really cool if I could camp someone and literally lock everything they're wearing or carrying because I spawn-camped them!

See where I am going with this?
The idea is bad, sorry. it's nothing but a method to bother other players by hunting them down and spawn-camping them until you have stolen their hat.
I don't care if you don't want to hear that; it's the truth of the matter. Your idea adds nothing but frustration and griefing.

@sailorkek said in Hat drops on death.:

@dlchief58 said in Hat drops on death.:

@sailorkek said in Hat drops on death.:

@solobeard7821 said in Hat drops on death.:

@sailorkek This is one of the strangest and least necessary ideas I have ever seen on this forum. What benefit would anyone gain from this? I don't want to spend an hour looking for my hat after I die.

No less necessary than the 10,000 call for private servers..

Why does everything have to benefit you people. Why can't you just see the positive side to literally any suggestion.

And really? An hour?!? I seriously fail to belive it would take you an hour just to go back to where a skeleton killed you. And if a player took it, consider it a minor punishment for losing the battle, you'll get your precious hat back next server.

What exactly is the supposed positive from this? Seems to be a huge trolling tool to grief and taunt players, which could easily escalate into full blown toxicity. The only ones that would benefit would be those that choose to grief or harass others and we do not need to encourage that sort of behavior.

Just because you think it is a good idea does not mean it is, nor does every hare-brained suggestion needs considering just because someone thinks it is "cool". This idea is almost as bad as the one where someone suggested a player's skull drops upon being killed by another player, and is definitely in the same vein since both would be used as trolling and taunting tools for other players.

"Greifing, trolling" please, this idea doesn't give more reason to spawn camp players or anything else that might genuinely be considered as such. But getting a reward for killing a player that potentially have no loot and therefore no real reason to fight, doesn't seem like a bad idea. Maybe someone will be a sore winner and tease the other player if they gain their hat, but the very same thing can happen with your loot already so whats the issue, it is a game centred around stealing stuff from others, so let's steal every last bit we can.

You never answered the question...what possible positive benefit could come of this feature? Hmmmmm?

Outside of being a griefer's paradise and increasing incentive to spawn camp to get said hats (especially since it is random in your suggestion instead of dropping every time), NOTHING positive for players. You are kidding yourself (or blinded by your own hubris, not being able to accept valid criticism of your suggestions....a common theme I've noticed) if you don't think this would not incentivize spawn camping because that is EXACTLY what it would do, especially as you have it explained. And I can guarantee that it will increase taunting of players..."I've got your hat and you can't get it, NYAHHH, NYAHHH". It does nothing but reenforce bad sportsmanship and toxic gameplay through the specific targeting of players.

Items you've bought (either with gold, ancient coins or doubloons) should remain untouchable by other players, along with the banked gold and items on your person. While this game is inspired by games like Rust, it doesn't need to go THAT far in terms of punishment...even if only for that session.

@dlchief58 said in Hat drops on death.:

@sailorkek said in Hat drops on death.:

@solobeard7821 said in Hat drops on death.:

@sailorkek This is one of the strangest and least necessary ideas I have ever seen on this forum. What benefit would anyone gain from this? I don't want to spend an hour looking for my hat after I die.

No less necessary than the 10,000 call for private servers..

Why does everything have to benefit you people. Why can't you just see the positive side to literally any suggestion.

And really? An hour?!? I seriously fail to belive it would take you an hour just to go back to where a skeleton killed you. And if a player took it, consider it a minor punishment for losing the battle, you'll get your precious hat back next server.

What exactly is the supposed positive from this? Seems to be a huge trolling tool to grief and taunt players, which could easily escalate into full blown toxicity. The only ones that would benefit would be those that choose to grief or harass others and we do not need to encourage that sort of behavior.

Just because you think it is a good idea does not mean it is, nor does every hare-brained suggestion needs considering just because someone thinks it is "cool". This idea is almost as bad as the one where someone suggested a player's skull drops upon being killed by another player, and is definitely in the same vein since both would be used as trolling and taunting tools for other players.

"Greifing, trolling" please, this idea doesn't give more reason to spawn camp players or anything else that might genuinely be considered as such. But getting a reward for killing a player that potentially have no loot and therefore no real reason to fight, doesn't seem like a bad idea. Maybe someone will be a sore winner and tease the other player if they gain their hat, but the very same thing can happen with your loot already so whats the issue, it is a game centred around stealing stuff from others, so let's steal every last bit we can.