As this thread has gone more off track than my sloop when I am multi-tasking modding the forums and playing at the same time...

I am dropping anchor before we hit that .... ROOOCKKK (Oh never mind)

@kalgert a dit dans TOXIC PVP KILLING ENTHUSIASM :

Wasn't it Celebrimbor that created the rings, and Sauron was creating his own ring to rule over others?

Also I am not playing the game, removed it from my library. I'm only here because I have mental hangups over it, so really it isn't doing anything "Right" as you like to say.
PS: I see that last line as malicious on your end and I do not like it.

Celebrimbor forged the Three that is true but Sauron was still instrumental in the process, allowing them to be bound to the One.

The last line was definitely facetious, I'm not gonna lie. I really don't understand how you can hate a game so much that you feel the need to pour your bile all over its forum for years. You reap what you sowed I guess. ;)

@kalgert If you deleted the game why are you still here on the forums?
Seems like you and this game are stuck in an abusive relationship!
The only thing is…I can’t tell who is the abusive one…or if it’s both of you!!!
If you disliked the game that’s fine, but don’t dwell here and start badmouthing the game! You could be playing some new fun game right now, and be enjoying that instead of having a miserable time arguing back and forth with everyone and complaining about how the game isn’t unique…
You shouldn’t dwell on the past.
If what happened to you is REALLY that bad, well, I think that’s gotta be more of a “people are bad” thing than “the game is bad” and also go see a therapist.
Also please don’t pick apart everything as malicious. It makes you seem malicious, which…is kinda ironic.

@grog-minto said in TOXIC PVP KILLING ENTHUSIASM:

@kalgert a dit dans TOXIC PVP KILLING ENTHUSIASM :

@thagoochiestman I am currently reading Lord of the Rings. About 45 pages in and there is only one ring that is being referred to as being special. Where are these "Rings" that the book promises? And the lords as well!? I have been falsely advertised to!

The title is actually accurate tho. Sauron created 19 rings of power (3 for the elves, 7 for the dwarves, 9 for the men) and one to get control over them (so 20 total). Sauron is the Lord of the Rings and the plot is about destroying his power. The characters will come to meet several bearers during their journey.
In most editions (At least every editions I ever saw) there is a poem before the first chapter about it, so 45 pages in you should have read it. But in the case you didn't, this is explained around page 60 of the first tome.

I'm nitpicking of course. ;p

I agree that using the title of the game as an argument isn't a good idea. The same title could have been used for a solo RPG game aswell.

Anyways, I'm glad to see that you're sticking with the game despite never missing a chance to tell how bad it is. Maybe it does something right after all. ;)

Wasn't it Celebrimbor that created the rings, and Sauron was creating his own ring to rule over others?

Also I am not playing the game, removed it from my library. I'm only here because I have mental hangups over it, so really it isn't doing anything "Right" as you like to say.
PS: I see that last line as malicious on your end and I do not like it.

@captain-coel said in TOXIC PVP KILLING ENTHUSIASM:

@krushak-arankis said in TOXIC PVP KILLING ENTHUSIASM:

@captain-coel said in TOXIC PVP KILLING ENTHUSIASM:

@krushak-arankis said in TOXIC PVP KILLING ENTHUSIASM:

@captain-coel said in TOXIC PVP KILLING ENTHUSIASM:

@kalgert said in TOXIC PVP KILLING ENTHUSIASM:

@captain-coel I didn't read the rest of your salad of a post, but I will respond to this line:
"I didn't disregard them as people, just that they are not pirates"

Yes. Yes they are, whether you regard them as such or not.

Honestly the term "Pirate" in this game looks a lot more like "Guy with a ship", considering that simply going off and sinking skeleton ships is considered an act of piracy, only against the dead in this case.

It is clear that you are one of "Those" type of players, so I guess it's pointless talking to you.

If by "those" you mean someone that enjoys the pvp and the pve side of this game, sure.

You really ought to have read the rest of the post, ad I gave you a brief on what is and isn't toxic in the game.

People that only engage in one half of this 2game are the problem. People need to understand that they are both predator and prey at the same time. If people want to experience the pve side only, they need to understand that they will always be prey. They are meant to be hunted, they are meant to be sunk, they are meant to be killed.

That is how this wonderful game was designed.

No, just cause a ship is minding their own business doesn't mean you need to hunt it down(unless you are flying reaper then I understand). People literally get their rocks off preying on new people to the point that you are driving new people away. Personally I am used to pvp from all the mmorpgs I've played but literally I've sank ships for praying on new people and as well as people who just hide on boats/blow boats up unless its around a world event. Maybe I'm insane to think yes if you both are sailing and want to fight but literally sinking someone who at a harbor who might be looking at inventory stuff at shops is a little low on the moral totem.

Which makes it even makes it even more fun sinking terrible people over and over cause they try to seek revene.

Why do I need to be a reaper to sink people? If I am flying gold hoarder and see another gold hoarder I'm going to want their loot. Many of us have been hunting noats since way before reapers were introduced.

Also the person parked at the outpost looking at the stores is gonna get sunk if they are in the way. Like we want to see our loot, you remove all possible threats. That's just good practice.

Yeah then I kill you and sink your boat while camping you. See how that works cause I've done it. Quite literally you have voice and text to say something if i need to move my boat I'll move my boat but majority time after i dump my loot at the sovereign and need to do something on that island i move ny boat out of the way. Communication is key. And I didn't say you had to have reaper. I said unless you are wearing reaper there is literally no reason to chase someone. I literally ran my boat for an hour, had no loot and wasted their time and their loot just cause I was sailing. Literally trolled them acting like I had good loot to hide. Again, just cause you can do something doesn't mean you should. As well as there are plenty of habors to unload and I'll go to a different one. There is literally like what maybe at the most 8 boats on a server? Lol.

Again, stop making excuses when you can literally talk in a game. This is why people do what they do because they just assume everyone is a D.

We both know if you're parked your most likely losing your boat a d losing your spot at the outpost. We don't need an excuse to hunt and kill in this game. We don't have to ask you to move your boat.

This isn't being rude, it's designed mechanics. We are just out to adventure the way we want to, usually high on the murder.

If you can't see past that, you sent understand this game.

I find it hilarious how one person (Bloodybil I think, when he posted just as I was viewing the thread) was scolding the OP by saying "Learn to communicate" in the context of Player Encounters, and then you come in and pretty much prove how that is a pointless endeavor with the "I don't care, you're in my way" attitude.

I was planning on outlining how "Communication" in this game is complete bupkis with some examples, but I think the conversation here is more than enough to show why.

@krushak-arankis please go and watch material from the development team for the last 4-5 years. Players being an unknown variable is a substantial part of how this game was and is developed.

Take development choices in no particular order:

Kegs were given fuses so we didn't have to depth charge boats or shoot/slash them on deck.
Blunder bombs and fire bombs were designed to do more when fired from a cannon at a boat.
Cursed cannonballs were added.
Trident do fantastic damage and knockback.
Ashen winds skulls will incinerate fellow players.
Reapers Mark was added so players could invite people to know their location.
Reapers were added as well as all emissaries so add risk/reward.
PvP on is a default setting that can not be changed, even in alliances you can murder the other members.

The development team has made it clear that there will not be pve servers, and when private servers do emerge they will be progressionless. No gold, No reputation, No Commendation credit, No renown.

I'm not attacking you, just pointing out that in Sea of Thieves, PvP is encouraged. All players consent to it when they sign on.

@kalgert a dit dans TOXIC PVP KILLING ENTHUSIASM :

@thagoochiestman I am currently reading Lord of the Rings. About 45 pages in and there is only one ring that is being referred to as being special. Where are these "Rings" that the book promises? And the lords as well!? I have been falsely advertised to!

The title is actually accurate tho. Sauron created 19 rings of power (3 for the elves, 7 for the dwarves, 9 for the men) and one to get control over them (so 20 total). Sauron is the Lord of the Rings and the plot is about destroying his power. The characters will come to meet several bearers during their journey.
In most editions (At least every editions I ever saw) there is a poem before the first chapter about it, so 45 pages in you should have read it. But in the case you didn't, this is explained around page 60 of the first tome.

I'm nitpicking of course. ;p

I agree that using the title of the game as an argument isn't a good idea. The same title could have been used for a solo RPG game aswell.

Anyways, I'm glad to see that you're sticking with the game despite never missing a chance to tell how bad it is. Maybe it does something right after all. ;)

@captain-coel said in TOXIC PVP KILLING ENTHUSIASM:

@krushak-arankis said in TOXIC PVP KILLING ENTHUSIASM:

@captain-coel said in TOXIC PVP KILLING ENTHUSIASM:

@krushak-arankis said in TOXIC PVP KILLING ENTHUSIASM:

@captain-coel said in TOXIC PVP KILLING ENTHUSIASM:

@kalgert said in TOXIC PVP KILLING ENTHUSIASM:

@captain-coel I didn't read the rest of your salad of a post, but I will respond to this line:
"I didn't disregard them as people, just that they are not pirates"

Yes. Yes they are, whether you regard them as such or not.

Honestly the term "Pirate" in this game looks a lot more like "Guy with a ship", considering that simply going off and sinking skeleton ships is considered an act of piracy, only against the dead in this case.

It is clear that you are one of "Those" type of players, so I guess it's pointless talking to you.

If by "those" you mean someone that enjoys the pvp and the pve side of this game, sure.

You really ought to have read the rest of the post, ad I gave you a brief on what is and isn't toxic in the game.

People that only engage in one half of this 2game are the problem. People need to understand that they are both predator and prey at the same time. If people want to experience the pve side only, they need to understand that they will always be prey. They are meant to be hunted, they are meant to be sunk, they are meant to be killed.

That is how this wonderful game was designed.

No, just cause a ship is minding their own business doesn't mean you need to hunt it down(unless you are flying reaper then I understand). People literally get their rocks off preying on new people to the point that you are driving new people away. Personally I am used to pvp from all the mmorpgs I've played but literally I've sank ships for praying on new people and as well as people who just hide on boats/blow boats up unless its around a world event. Maybe I'm insane to think yes if you both are sailing and want to fight but literally sinking someone who at a harbor who might be looking at inventory stuff at shops is a little low on the moral totem.

Which makes it even makes it even more fun sinking terrible people over and over cause they try to seek revene.

Why do I need to be a reaper to sink people? If I am flying gold hoarder and see another gold hoarder I'm going to want their loot. Many of us have been hunting noats since way before reapers were introduced.

Also the person parked at the outpost looking at the stores is gonna get sunk if they are in the way. Like we want to see our loot, you remove all possible threats. That's just good practice.

Yeah then I kill you and sink your boat while camping you. See how that works cause I've done it. Quite literally you have voice and text to say something if i need to move my boat I'll move my boat but majority time after i dump my loot at the sovereign and need to do something on that island i move ny boat out of the way. Communication is key. And I didn't say you had to have reaper. I said unless you are wearing reaper there is literally no reason to chase someone. I literally ran my boat for an hour, had no loot and wasted their time and their loot just cause I was sailing. Literally trolled them acting like I had good loot to hide. Again, just cause you can do something doesn't mean you should. As well as there are plenty of habors to unload and I'll go to a different one. There is literally like what maybe at the most 8 boats on a server? Lol.

Again, stop making excuses when you can literally talk in a game. This is why people do what they do because they just assume everyone is a D.

We both know if you're parked your most likely losing your boat a d losing your spot at the outpost. We don't need an excuse to hunt and kill in this game. We don't have to ask you to move your boat.

This isn't being rude, it's designed mechanics. We are just out to adventure the way we want to, usually high on the murder.

If you can't see past that, you sent understand this game.

Again, you keep saying the game is designed that way. Again and again and it's a fallacy arguement. It falls back just because you can does not that mean you should. I never said you had an excuse. I am just giving constructive criticism of this cynical excuse you have. That's along the lines when people get surprised pikachu face when their account gets banned because they exploit a bug or something and then said it's part of the game.

I understand the game quite well, I love how you attacked me on this. You keep being cynical.

@krushak-arankis said in TOXIC PVP KILLING ENTHUSIASM:

@captain-coel said in TOXIC PVP KILLING ENTHUSIASM:

@krushak-arankis said in TOXIC PVP KILLING ENTHUSIASM:

@captain-coel said in TOXIC PVP KILLING ENTHUSIASM:

@kalgert said in TOXIC PVP KILLING ENTHUSIASM:

@captain-coel I didn't read the rest of your salad of a post, but I will respond to this line:
"I didn't disregard them as people, just that they are not pirates"

Yes. Yes they are, whether you regard them as such or not.

Honestly the term "Pirate" in this game looks a lot more like "Guy with a ship", considering that simply going off and sinking skeleton ships is considered an act of piracy, only against the dead in this case.

It is clear that you are one of "Those" type of players, so I guess it's pointless talking to you.

If by "those" you mean someone that enjoys the pvp and the pve side of this game, sure.

You really ought to have read the rest of the post, ad I gave you a brief on what is and isn't toxic in the game.

People that only engage in one half of this 2game are the problem. People need to understand that they are both predator and prey at the same time. If people want to experience the pve side only, they need to understand that they will always be prey. They are meant to be hunted, they are meant to be sunk, they are meant to be killed.

That is how this wonderful game was designed.

No, just cause a ship is minding their own business doesn't mean you need to hunt it down(unless you are flying reaper then I understand). People literally get their rocks off preying on new people to the point that you are driving new people away. Personally I am used to pvp from all the mmorpgs I've played but literally I've sank ships for praying on new people and as well as people who just hide on boats/blow boats up unless its around a world event. Maybe I'm insane to think yes if you both are sailing and want to fight but literally sinking someone who at a harbor who might be looking at inventory stuff at shops is a little low on the moral totem.

Which makes it even makes it even more fun sinking terrible people over and over cause they try to seek revene.

Why do I need to be a reaper to sink people? If I am flying gold hoarder and see another gold hoarder I'm going to want their loot. Many of us have been hunting noats since way before reapers were introduced.

Also the person parked at the outpost looking at the stores is gonna get sunk if they are in the way. Like we want to see our loot, you remove all possible threats. That's just good practice.

Yeah then I kill you and sink your boat while camping you. See how that works cause I've done it. Quite literally you have voice and text to say something if i need to move my boat I'll move my boat but majority time after i dump my loot at the sovereign and need to do something on that island i move ny boat out of the way. Communication is key. And I didn't say you had to have reaper. I said unless you are wearing reaper there is literally no reason to chase someone. I literally ran my boat for an hour, had no loot and wasted their time and their loot just cause I was sailing. Literally trolled them acting like I had good loot to hide. Again, just cause you can do something doesn't mean you should. As well as there are plenty of habors to unload and I'll go to a different one. There is literally like what maybe at the most 8 boats on a server? Lol.

Again, stop making excuses when you can literally talk in a game. This is why people do what they do because they just assume everyone is a D.

We both know if you're parked your most likely losing your boat a d losing your spot at the outpost. We don't need an excuse to hunt and kill in this game. We don't have to ask you to move your boat.

This isn't being rude, it's designed mechanics. We are just out to adventure the way we want to, usually high on the murder.

If you can't see past that, you sent understand this game.

@krushak-arankis said in TOXIC PVP KILLING ENTHUSIASM:

@captain-coel said in TOXIC PVP KILLING ENTHUSIASM:

@krushak-arankis said in TOXIC PVP KILLING ENTHUSIASM:

@captain-coel said in TOXIC PVP KILLING ENTHUSIASM:

@kalgert said in TOXIC PVP KILLING ENTHUSIASM:

@captain-coel I didn't read the rest of your salad of a post, but I will respond to this line:
"I didn't disregard them as people, just that they are not pirates"

Yes. Yes they are, whether you regard them as such or not.

Honestly the term "Pirate" in this game looks a lot more like "Guy with a ship", considering that simply going off and sinking skeleton ships is considered an act of piracy, only against the dead in this case.

It is clear that you are one of "Those" type of players, so I guess it's pointless talking to you.

If by "those" you mean someone that enjoys the pvp and the pve side of this game, sure.

You really ought to have read the rest of the post, ad I gave you a brief on what is and isn't toxic in the game.

People that only engage in one half of this 2game are the problem. People need to understand that they are both predator and prey at the same time. If people want to experience the pve side only, they need to understand that they will always be prey. They are meant to be hunted, they are meant to be sunk, they are meant to be killed.

That is how this wonderful game was designed.

No, just cause a ship is minding their own business doesn't mean you need to hunt it down(unless you are flying reaper then I understand). People literally get their rocks off preying on new people to the point that you are driving new people away. Personally I am used to pvp from all the mmorpgs I've played but literally I've sank ships for praying on new people and as well as people who just hide on boats/blow boats up unless its around a world event. Maybe I'm insane to think yes if you both are sailing and want to fight but literally sinking someone who at a harbor who might be looking at inventory stuff at shops is a little low on the moral totem.

Which makes it even makes it even more fun sinking terrible people over and over cause they try to seek revene.

Why do I need to be a reaper to sink people? If I am flying gold hoarder and see another gold hoarder I'm going to want their loot. Many of us have been hunting noats since way before reapers were introduced.

Also the person parked at the outpost looking at the stores is gonna get sunk if they are in the way. Like we want to see our loot, you remove all possible threats. That's just good practice.

Yeah then I kill you and sink your boat while camping you. See how that works cause I've done it. Quite literally you have voice and text to say something if i need to move my boat I'll move my boat but majority time after i dump my loot at the sovereign and need to do something on that island i move ny boat out of the way. Communication is key. And I didn't say you had to have reaper. I said unless you are wearing reaper there is literally no reason to chase someone. I literally ran my boat for an hour, had no loot and wasted their time and their loot just cause I was sailing. Literally trolled them acting like I had good loot to hide. Again, just cause you can do something doesn't mean you should. As well as there are plenty of habors to unload and I'll go to a different one. There is literally like what maybe at the most 8 boats on a server? Lol.

Again, stop making excuses when you can literally talk in a game. This is why people do what they do because they just assume everyone is a D.

Literally again, just like back in the day wow and other heavy pvp mmorpg with pvp servers. Just cause you are a higher level and can do something to someone doesn't mean you need to. Cycle of abuse. Lol

@captain-coel said in TOXIC PVP KILLING ENTHUSIASM:

@krushak-arankis said in TOXIC PVP KILLING ENTHUSIASM:

@captain-coel said in TOXIC PVP KILLING ENTHUSIASM:

@kalgert said in TOXIC PVP KILLING ENTHUSIASM:

@captain-coel I didn't read the rest of your salad of a post, but I will respond to this line:
"I didn't disregard them as people, just that they are not pirates"

Yes. Yes they are, whether you regard them as such or not.

Honestly the term "Pirate" in this game looks a lot more like "Guy with a ship", considering that simply going off and sinking skeleton ships is considered an act of piracy, only against the dead in this case.

It is clear that you are one of "Those" type of players, so I guess it's pointless talking to you.

If by "those" you mean someone that enjoys the pvp and the pve side of this game, sure.

You really ought to have read the rest of the post, ad I gave you a brief on what is and isn't toxic in the game.

People that only engage in one half of this 2game are the problem. People need to understand that they are both predator and prey at the same time. If people want to experience the pve side only, they need to understand that they will always be prey. They are meant to be hunted, they are meant to be sunk, they are meant to be killed.

That is how this wonderful game was designed.

No, just cause a ship is minding their own business doesn't mean you need to hunt it down(unless you are flying reaper then I understand). People literally get their rocks off preying on new people to the point that you are driving new people away. Personally I am used to pvp from all the mmorpgs I've played but literally I've sank ships for praying on new people and as well as people who just hide on boats/blow boats up unless its around a world event. Maybe I'm insane to think yes if you both are sailing and want to fight but literally sinking someone who at a harbor who might be looking at inventory stuff at shops is a little low on the moral totem.

Which makes it even makes it even more fun sinking terrible people over and over cause they try to seek revene.

Why do I need to be a reaper to sink people? If I am flying gold hoarder and see another gold hoarder I'm going to want their loot. Many of us have been hunting noats since way before reapers were introduced.

Also the person parked at the outpost looking at the stores is gonna get sunk if they are in the way. Like we want to see our loot, you remove all possible threats. That's just good practice.

Yeah then I kill you and sink your boat while camping you. See how that works cause I've done it. Quite literally you have voice and text to say something if i need to move my boat I'll move my boat but majority time after i dump my loot at the sovereign and need to do something on that island i move ny boat out of the way. Communication is key. And I didn't say you had to have reaper. I said unless you are wearing reaper there is literally no reason to chase someone. I literally ran my boat for an hour, had no loot and wasted their time and their loot just cause I was sailing. Literally trolled them acting like I had good loot to hide. Again, just cause you can do something doesn't mean you should. As well as there are plenty of habors to unload and I'll go to a different one. There is literally like what maybe at the most 8 boats on a server? Lol.

Again, stop making excuses when you can literally talk in a game. This is why people do what they do because they just assume everyone is a D.

@krushak-arankis said in TOXIC PVP KILLING ENTHUSIASM:

@captain-coel said in TOXIC PVP KILLING ENTHUSIASM:

@kalgert said in TOXIC PVP KILLING ENTHUSIASM:

@captain-coel I didn't read the rest of your salad of a post, but I will respond to this line:
"I didn't disregard them as people, just that they are not pirates"

Yes. Yes they are, whether you regard them as such or not.

Honestly the term "Pirate" in this game looks a lot more like "Guy with a ship", considering that simply going off and sinking skeleton ships is considered an act of piracy, only against the dead in this case.

It is clear that you are one of "Those" type of players, so I guess it's pointless talking to you.

If by "those" you mean someone that enjoys the pvp and the pve side of this game, sure.

You really ought to have read the rest of the post, ad I gave you a brief on what is and isn't toxic in the game.

People that only engage in one half of this 2game are the problem. People need to understand that they are both predator and prey at the same time. If people want to experience the pve side only, they need to understand that they will always be prey. They are meant to be hunted, they are meant to be sunk, they are meant to be killed.

That is how this wonderful game was designed.

No, just cause a ship is minding their own business doesn't mean you need to hunt it down(unless you are flying reaper then I understand). People literally get their rocks off preying on new people to the point that you are driving new people away. Personally I am used to pvp from all the mmorpgs I've played but literally I've sank ships for praying on new people and as well as people who just hide on boats/blow boats up unless its around a world event. Maybe I'm insane to think yes if you both are sailing and want to fight but literally sinking someone who at a harbor who might be looking at inventory stuff at shops is a little low on the moral totem.

Which makes it even makes it even more fun sinking terrible people over and over cause they try to seek revene.

Why do I need to be a reaper to sink people? If I am flying gold hoarder and see another gold hoarder I'm going to want their loot. Many of us have been hunting noats since way before reapers were introduced.

Also the person parked at the outpost looking at the stores is gonna get sunk if they are in the way. Like we want to see our loot, you remove all possible threats. That's just good practice.

@captain-coel said in TOXIC PVP KILLING ENTHUSIASM:

@kalgert said in TOXIC PVP KILLING ENTHUSIASM:

@captain-coel I didn't read the rest of your salad of a post, but I will respond to this line:
"I didn't disregard them as people, just that they are not pirates"

Yes. Yes they are, whether you regard them as such or not.

Honestly the term "Pirate" in this game looks a lot more like "Guy with a ship", considering that simply going off and sinking skeleton ships is considered an act of piracy, only against the dead in this case.

It is clear that you are one of "Those" type of players, so I guess it's pointless talking to you.

If by "those" you mean someone that enjoys the pvp and the pve side of this game, sure.

You really ought to have read the rest of the post, ad I gave you a brief on what is and isn't toxic in the game.

People that only engage in one half of this 2game are the problem. People need to understand that they are both predator and prey at the same time. If people want to experience the pve side only, they need to understand that they will always be prey. They are meant to be hunted, they are meant to be sunk, they are meant to be killed.

That is how this wonderful game was designed.

No, just cause a ship is minding their own business doesn't mean you need to hunt it down(unless you are flying reaper then I understand). People literally get their rocks off preying on new people to the point that you are driving new people away. Personally I am used to pvp from all the mmorpgs I've played but literally I've sank ships for praying on new people and as well as people who just hide on boats/blow boats up unless its around a world event. Maybe I'm insane to think yes if you both are sailing and want to fight but literally sinking someone who at a harbor who might be looking at inventory stuff at shops is a little low on the moral totem.

Which makes it even makes it even more fun sinking terrible people over and over cause they try to seek revene.

@krushak-arankis said in TOXIC PVP KILLING ENTHUSIASM:

@da-german420 said in TOXIC PVP KILLING ENTHUSIASM:

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@da-german420 said in TOXIC PVP KILLING ENTHUSIASM:

i didnt touched reaper since i reached level 75. since milestones made it to the game i grind reaper again for milestone trophys. it feels not nice that i grind for something and people who join the server by portal hopping headin for me ,so other players just portal hopp and search for pvp that makes it a bit unbalanced . i think its also not good that people without a emissary can see me cause when i win i have nothing from it. for me it would be way better when reaper become seeable when they hit level 5 i get a benefit and other crews as well, but ye the whole portal hopping and reaper thing feels like a streamers service . i like pvp but its every session the same game it takes 90 minutes till other players go for me mostly 90% without loot on their ship,i just ask me for what i grind???

Reapers from what lore is in the game are the jerks who are like F EVERYTHING, STRONGEST SURVIVE. SCREW WORKING TOGETHER! You have to be marked on the map because you literally gain every benefit from turning in emissaries flags and stealing loot for your milestones. That is the risk/reward of being marked for basically PVP. At level 5, reapers can see anyone who has an emissary flag regardless of level. Tho I can't tell you how many people don't realize having crew watch the map so we can make passes on reapers whom see our flag cause they are level 5.

Then to turn their flag in because they thought they were picking easy targets or coming in and seeing a reaper try to sink someone and then basically sink them.

my point is just every session when i play solo , ships commin for me without any loot or emissary flag on their ship, a lot crews just hopp from server to server searching for reapers and loot, i just think its not a healthy balance for the game cause i ask me for what i grind when other crews just hopp servers all day , my last 7 sessions goin like that , and the whole point reaper is just meant for pvp is also a bit idk not good in a slow pacing pvppve game like sot. i believe its a good solution make reapers seeable at level 5 cause it takes not long till the server fills up when i play as a reaper its just to much.

Well probably because most of the sweats play reaper. I can't tell you how many times I hop in and see a level 3 or more reaper so I go to look/judge before logging out and logging back in is that most of these reapers are sloops/rarely brigs with reaper pajamas and ninja suits so they aren't as easily seen. Which is why I think name tags should be more visable like most games. That is why most people flock to reapers to sink them. And it's always fun to best them especially solo reapers who say whatever you nerd.

Come on, reaper pajamas and ninja suits mean you have nothing to worry about and you're about to watch them embarrass themselves.

@bloodybil said in TOXIC PVP KILLING ENTHUSIASM:

@count-drogos said in TOXIC PVP KILLING ENTHUSIASM:

@bloodybil My understanding and I could be wrong is that the opt out feature only applies to YOUR crew and not to the server. So your crew my be Controller only which isnt the same as not cross platform but the rest of the server is still populated by a mixed population . Can someone confirm either way?

No, the system will try to match you with other controller only crews. You can still end up in mixed but chances are low.

@thagoochiestman said in TOXIC PVP KILLING ENTHUSIASM:

@robby0316 this is my favorite argument.

People be like "don't judge a book on its cover (i.e. players based on their actions in this game)" but then others be "Its called Sea of THIEVES."

I guess we just gotta judge books by their titles?? 😂

As the idiom says, Hope for the best but expect the worst?

@kalgert said in TOXIC PVP KILLING ENTHUSIASM:

@thagoochiestman I am currently reading Lord of the Rings. About 45 pages in and there is only one ring that is being referred to as being special. Where are these "Rings" that the book promises? And the lords as well!? I have been falsely advertised to!

I really dislike it when people try to use "Title = Description of the contents" as a valid argument, because it's bupkis. A title is just a name, something to identify something by.

This could have also been called "Open World PvP game with boats" and then it would be a title with an accurate description.

In books or games, you can easily read the description in the store to know what to expect ;)

Or how about just cause you can do something doesn't mean you should. I can't tell you how many times I was sunk when I first started out three weeks ago and the excuse was welcome to sea of thieves (insert insult). Like article 6 states respect new pirates and their voyages or they would state who cares this is the only way you learn cause it happened to us. Thats why they call it cycle of abuse. Only two ships full of people have given me tips and helped me and those two ships? I gave em a few chests for their time helping me.

So no, the main issue is there is good pvp and then there are jerks who just do it for the lols.

@da-german420 said in TOXIC PVP KILLING ENTHUSIASM:

@krushak-arankis sagte in TOXIC PVP KILLING ENTHUSIASM:

@da-german420 said in TOXIC PVP KILLING ENTHUSIASM:

i didnt touched reaper since i reached level 75. since milestones made it to the game i grind reaper again for milestone trophys. it feels not nice that i grind for something and people who join the server by portal hopping headin for me ,so other players just portal hopp and search for pvp that makes it a bit unbalanced . i think its also not good that people without a emissary can see me cause when i win i have nothing from it. for me it would be way better when reaper become seeable when they hit level 5 i get a benefit and other crews as well, but ye the whole portal hopping and reaper thing feels like a streamers service . i like pvp but its every session the same game it takes 90 minutes till other players go for me mostly 90% without loot on their ship,i just ask me for what i grind???

Reapers from what lore is in the game are the jerks who are like F EVERYTHING, STRONGEST SURVIVE. SCREW WORKING TOGETHER! You have to be marked on the map because you literally gain every benefit from turning in emissaries flags and stealing loot for your milestones. That is the risk/reward of being marked for basically PVP. At level 5, reapers can see anyone who has an emissary flag regardless of level. Tho I can't tell you how many people don't realize having crew watch the map so we can make passes on reapers whom see our flag cause they are level 5.

Then to turn their flag in because they thought they were picking easy targets or coming in and seeing a reaper try to sink someone and then basically sink them.

my point is just every session when i play solo , ships commin for me without any loot or emissary flag on their ship, a lot crews just hopp from server to server searching for reapers and loot, i just think its not a healthy balance for the game cause i ask me for what i grind when other crews just hopp servers all day , my last 7 sessions goin like that , and the whole point reaper is just meant for pvp is also a bit idk not good in a slow pacing pvppve game like sot. i believe its a good solution make reapers seeable at level 5 cause it takes not long till the server fills up when i play as a reaper its just to much.

Well probably because most of the sweats play reaper. I can't tell you how many times I hop in and see a level 3 or more reaper so I go to look/judge before logging out and logging back in is that most of these reapers are sloops/rarely brigs with reaper pajamas and ninja suits so they aren't as easily seen. Which is why I think name tags should be more visable like most games. That is why most people flock to reapers to sink them. And it's always fun to best them especially solo reapers who say whatever you nerd.

@count-drogos said in TOXIC PVP KILLING ENTHUSIASM:

@bloodybil My understanding and I could be wrong is that the opt out feature only applies to YOUR crew and not to the server. So your crew my be Controller only which isnt the same as not cross platform but the rest of the server is still populated by a mixed population . Can someone confirm either way?

No, the system will try to match you with other controller only crews. You can still end up in mixed but chances are low.

@thagoochiestman said in TOXIC PVP KILLING ENTHUSIASM:

@robby0316 this is my favorite argument.

People be like "don't judge a book on its cover (i.e. players based on their actions in this game)" but then others be "Its called Sea of THIEVES."

I guess we just gotta judge books by their titles?? 😂

As the idiom says, Hope for the best but expect the worst?

@kalgert said in TOXIC PVP KILLING ENTHUSIASM:

@thagoochiestman I am currently reading Lord of the Rings. About 45 pages in and there is only one ring that is being referred to as being special. Where are these "Rings" that the book promises? And the lords as well!? I have been falsely advertised to!

I really dislike it when people try to use "Title = Description of the contents" as a valid argument, because it's bupkis. A title is just a name, something to identify something by.

This could have also been called "Open World PvP game with boats" and then it would be a title with an accurate description.

In books or games, you can easily read the description in the store to know what to expect ;)

@kalgert I never said I hated you. Sorry if you hate me 🤷‍♂️. I just play the game as intended. Have a great day!

@captain-coel We don't agree and we hate each other, so let's just not discuss this further as it'd be a waste of both our time, a'ight?

@wolfmanbush said in TOXIC PVP KILLING ENTHUSIASM:

@thagoochiestman said in TOXIC PVP KILLING ENTHUSIASM:

this is my favorite argument.

It's all about maintaining the environment to improve the experience, it's not personal and there aren't good people vs bad people, it's just a community that needs to regularly put in effort to coexist no matter the individual goals and preferences.

Eeeeeh.... Let's agree to disagree on that note.

@kalgert said in TOXIC PVP KILLING ENTHUSIASM:

@captain-coel I didn't read the rest of your salad of a post, but I will respond to this line:
"I didn't disregard them as people, just that they are not pirates"

Yes. Yes they are, whether you regard them as such or not.

Honestly the term "Pirate" in this game looks a lot more like "Guy with a ship", considering that simply going off and sinking skeleton ships is considered an act of piracy, only against the dead in this case.

It is clear that you are one of "Those" type of players, so I guess it's pointless talking to you.

If by "those" you mean someone that enjoys the pvp and the pve side of this game, sure.

You really ought to have read the rest of the post, ad I gave you a brief on what is and isn't toxic in the game.

People that only engage in one half of this game are the problem. People need to understand that they are both predator and prey at the same time. If people want to experience the pve side only, they need to understand that they will always be prey. They are meant to be hunted, they are meant to be sunk, they are meant to be killed.

That is how this wonderful game was designed.

@captain-coel Most of those players probably didn't buy it. They most likely installed it for free via Game Pass and uninstalled it before spending a penny in the Emporium.

With the way the gaming market is changing it might not be viable much longer to have such unapproachable niche-market games, especially if the barriers to entry/exiting have been lowered so much. Take Fortnite: I'd assume a huge reason the game has been so successful is that it has modes to keep players engaged even if Battle Royale isn't their thing.

@thagoochiestman said in TOXIC PVP KILLING ENTHUSIASM:

this is my favorite argument.

People be like "don't judge a book on its cover (i.e. players based on their actions in this game)" but then others be "Its called Sea of THIEVES."

I guess we just gotta judge books by their titles?? 😂

Participating in gameplay that everyone is aware of risk when they begin isn't an indicator of character based on the gameplay itself.

An example would be that I often criticize over hunting and enabling of over hunting. In my opinion it has weakened activity and within that the environment suffers.

That doesn't mean anyone that participates in any of that is guilty of anything that is character related, doesn't mean people are malicious.

We all judge to some degree internally. What matters is action and reaction, how do we handle that judgement? People are free to have opinions about others but when it is spread in a way that is not objective and attacks the character of others over things like gameplay, roleplay, competition it does not improve the environment it only adds negativity to it.

Those that struggle with this game are not wrong, at some point it might be determined that it is not a compatible experience but they aren't wrong for not enjoying it.
It doesn't make others that are participating a problem and doesn't indicate anything about character flaws.

The productive goal would be to do what has already been showing up, lower risk content with decent reward, it's easier to sell now, milestones reward even if people lose fights and get sunk.

It's all about maintaining the environment to improve the experience, it's not personal and there aren't good people vs bad people, it's just a community that needs to regularly put in effort to coexist no matter the individual goals and preferences.

@count-drogos said in TOXIC PVP KILLING ENTHUSIASM:

SADLY THEY KILLED THE ARENA THE ONLY PLACE WERE PRACTICE COULD BE HAD IN A FORMAT THAT MADE IT OK TO LOSE IN THE HOPES OF GAINING EXPIRIENCE.

You can switch to play vs Xbox only but I do agreed with Arena removal being a bad move.