@limend Although not found in the wild the Reaper's Mark seems to tap on the energies of the Shroud to channel magical powers. In the end the logo of the game itself is the Reaper's Mark.

@metal-ravage said in Lore Questions: Reaper's Mark:

@limend said in Lore Questions: Reaper's Mark:

That is quite alright. I would like to know what are your thoughts on Reaper's Mark and why Ramsey uses it as Athena's Fortune logo? Shouldn't it be a Reaper's Bones symbol?

I've been thinking about this lately. The Reaper's mark *(red) seems to be used with cursed items, and usually ones made by pirates (Reaper's flag, chests). I don't think the symbol appears anywhere or anything similar to it out in the wild, so I'd guess the logo was "introduced" by Ramsey or other pirates and wasn't used by ancients. It's been a while since I've read the Athena's Fortune novel, so I can't recall if the necklace given to Ramsey was of ancient origin, or made or commissioned for him by Mercia.
Green version of the mark is being used by Legends and Ramsey so it doesn't bear the same meaning as the red does. Perhaps other "side" borrowed the logo from the other?

As for why it's used by Ramsey instead of Reapers, I guess reapers didn't want to reuse a symbol with their faction, and in the future chalice may play a larger role with their faction justifying the choice of having it as their symbol.

@limend said in Lore Questions: Reaper's Mark:

@metal-ravage said in Lore Questions: Reaper's Mark:

If you read all the posts in this topic you will notice that the latest discussion was about Flameheart Sr having a hand into sinking Magpie's Wing,

Oh then I must have missed a post or two, my bad.

That is quite alright. I would like to know what are your thoughts on Reaper's Mark and why Ramsey uses it as Athena's Fortune logo? Shouldn't it be a Reaper's Bones symbol?

@klutchxking518 That doesn't change the fact that Flameheart was in that ship that attacked and sunk Magpie's Wing.

@metal-ravage Flameheart actually mutinied against the Burning Blade’s true captain- The Cap’n. They never specified if the Burning Blade that sunk the Magpie’s Wing was under The Cap’n’s control or Flameheart’s.

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@metal-ravage said in Lore Questions: Reaper's Mark:

If you read all the posts in this topic you will notice that the latest discussion was about Flameheart Sr having a hand into sinking Magpie's Wing,

Oh then I must have missed a post or two, my bad.

@cptnpotbeard said in Lore Questions: Reaper's Mark:

@metal-ravage said in Lore Questions: Reaper's Mark:

@prince-apollyon Sarcastic comparison with Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde aside, you have missed a few points of lore.

Flameheart is Ramsey's nemesis for the control of SOT. For this reason Flameheart sunk Magpie's Wing, Ramsey's most beloved ship.

Second, Flameheart has only 9 fingers (Sticher Jim has one as an amulet) while Ramsey has all 10 of them (his phantom reflecting the moment when he died)

That being said I leave you with another puzzling question: If the Reaper's Mark is Ramsey's sign, how come you can sell Reaper's chest only to Flameheart Jr?

Problem being Flameheart didn't sink the Magpies Wing, Rathbone did, aka the gold hoarder.

Read the Magpie's Wing log book!

@limend said in Lore Questions: Reaper's Mark:

@metal-ravage said in Lore Questions: Reaper's Mark:

@limend Read the Magpie's Wing log book. There is described how they were chased and sunk by the Burning Blade. As you know Burning Blade was Flameheart's ship.

Yes, but we weren't discussing if it was in fact FH, but rather if FH had been on the sea of thieves long before Ramsey and others, were we not?

If you read all the posts in this topic you will notice that the latest discussion was about Flameheart Sr having a hand into sinking Magpie's Wing, and the log book shows just that. The question how Flameheart made it to SOT or when is beside the point.

Now to turn the attention toward the real question posed in this post: What is the Reaper's Mark? Is it a way to tap on the magic of the ancients?

@metal-ravage said in Lore Questions: Reaper's Mark:

@limend Read the Magpie's Wing log book. There is described how they were chased and sunk by the Burning Blade. As you know Burning Blade was Flameheart's ship.

Yes, but we weren't discussing if it was in fact FH, but rather if FH had been on the sea of thieves long before Ramsey and others, were we not?

The journal is Pirate Lord's and is titled "Ninth summer on the Sea of Thieves", which means this was not one of the first encounters Ramsey and his crew encountered on the seas, so nothing that happens in it indicates FH had been there long before others.

@limend Read the Magpie's Wing log book. There is described how they were chased and sunk by the Burning Blade. As you know Burning Blade was Flameheart's ship.

@metal-ravage said in Lore Questions: Reaper's Mark:

@cptnpotbeard You are forgetting there is Flameheart Sr and Jr. Flameheart Sr was plundering SOT way before anyone else.
Play the Shroudbreaker Tall Tale and read the Magpie's Wing journal.

The pages you pick up from the wreck of Magpie's Wing have no mention of FH SR being there before Ramsey and his crew.

If you're referring to the line in 2nd journal written by Mercia where it says "We like to think of ourselves as being the first to find a way of reaching the Sea of Thieves, but that isn't the truth. Not one bit..." then it would make sense, if it wan't revealed in the 3rd journal how she was talking about the ancients. "The First Ones. The Lost Tribes. The Ancients. Whatever you call them, they lived here, in what we now know as the Sea of Thieves."

@cptnpotbeard QED Athena's Fortune has no mention of Flameheart Sr and in Tales from Sea of Thieves only Flameheart Jr is mentioned.

@metal-ravage said in Lore Questions: Reaper's Mark:

@cptnpotbeard said in Lore Questions: Reaper's Mark:

@metal-ravage No he wasn't, neither of them made it to the sea of thieves before Ramsey, he was first to discover it since the shroud swallowed it.

Reference?

Athena's Fortune Novel, as well as Tales from the Sea of Thieves

@cptnpotbeard said in Lore Questions: Reaper's Mark:

@metal-ravage No he wasn't, neither of them made it to the sea of thieves before Ramsey, he was first to discover it since the shroud swallowed it.

Reference?

@metal-ravage No he wasn't, neither of them made it to the sea of thieves before Ramsey, he was first to discover it since the shroud swallowed it.

@cptnpotbeard You are forgetting there is Flameheart Sr and Jr. Flameheart Sr was plundering SOT way before anyone else.

Play the Shroudbreaker Tall Tale and read the Magpie's Wing journal.

@metal-ravage No he wasn't. Go Reread or listen to Athena's Fortune. Flameheart hadn't even made it to the Sea of Thieves yet when Ramsey and Rathbone had their falling out.

@cptnpotbeard Rathbone was part of Magpie's Wing when the Burning Blade sunk that ship. There is no doubt Flameheart was the culprit.

@va ca-hombre If I remember correctly red Reaper's chest was introduced after Stitcher Jim opened the chest of Wondrous Secrets and discovered how to bring Flameheart back.

According to Jim, the box had instructions on how to restore Flameheart and from that moment on he duped the Duke(and us in return) on how to collect red Reaper's chests and elements for the dark ritual.

When Pendragon released Flameheart upon the world, the Duke stopped receiving the red Reaper's chests and only the Flameheart Jr will accept them.

The runes on the chest might be a good indication.

@v@ca-hombre If I recall correctly the Reapers Chests contained bones of skeletons. Maybe that was just the rag and bone crates but I think I recall that also being the contents of the red ones. The golden ones I have no idea. I would assume gold though since they are considered Tribute.

@cptnpotbeard said in Lore Questions: Reaper's Mark:

So perhaps bearing the reapers mark bestows a similar fate albeit a bit more spectral in nature.

It could also be affected by the pirate using it. We know that Skeleton Lords are pirates consumed by their greed and bloodlust, so maybe the Mark reacts to that.

Also, is there any lore hinting at what exactly the Reaper's chests are? If the Mark does keep it's user from dying, maybe it works better with a glory-seeking swashbuckler than a war-like Skeleton Lord? Could the chests be something to keep Flameheart's Mark going and keep him "alive"? That would explain why the Servant of the Flame wants them.

@metal-ravage said in Lore Questions: Reaper's Mark:

@prince-apollyon Sarcastic comparison with Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde aside, you have missed a few points of lore.

Flameheart is Ramsey's nemesis for the control of SOT. For this reason Flameheart sunk Magpie's Wing, Ramsey's most beloved ship.

Second, Flameheart has only 9 fingers (Sticher Jim has one as an amulet) while Ramsey has all 10 of them (his phantom reflecting the moment when he died)

That being said I leave you with another puzzling question: If the Reaper's Mark is Ramsey's sign, how come you can sell Reaper's chest only to Flameheart Jr?

Problem being Flameheart didn't sink the Magpies Wing, Rathbone did, aka the gold hoarder.

The Reapers Mark is a necklace that has a special property in that its bearer cannot die. The necklace was given to Ramsey by his crewmmate Mercier, It is one of many cursed treasures they found when they first came to the sea of thieves. As far as its link to the other items I don't know. The flag came about as a way to mark your ship with a curse was the lore implication. It came out when cursed cannonballs were first released with the Warsmith quest line leading up to cursed sails and the cursed iron came from flamehearts ship. And if you've noticed the Reaper's Bones emblem is actually just an Hourglass but in reality it is the skeleton symbol for Chalice since they are definitely guarding the chalice under the hideout. A theory is that chalice is linked to the fountain of youth which would explain the Spanish soldiers. But basically the price for immortality is to be turned into an undead skeleton. So perhaps bearing the reapers mark bestows a similar fate albeit a bit more spectral in nature.