@sweetsandman

I'd challenge this by asking...why can't we have a new challenge with specific rewards that take a specific amount of effort WITHOUT raising the level cap? They don't have to go hand-in-hand.

In a post you upvoted, I said that I prefer commendations to levels. So, you know my stance on this. In the post you quoted, I was talking about levels vs. prestige.

I'd lead more towards Rare creating content is what creates problems for new content. Numbers are easy. Creating engaging content and rewarding properly is the real challenge.

A completely separate argument, one that I agree with.

@nitroxien said in Optional Prestige Option?:

@grumpyw01f why not just cap the prestige system then to say 3 prestiges...

These are the exact same effects and prob better for the future if they choose to up it again they can up prestige again not just say aight you can now get to level 125 instead of 100.

Like I said, a more complicated (and stupid, in my opinion) way to track levels. This is why I default to prestige systems with no end when I hear prestige, because if there is an end, you might as well raise the cap instead to keep it simple.

@grumpyw01f why not just cap the prestige system then to say 3 prestiges...

These are the exact same effects and prob better for the future if they choose to up it again they can up prestige again not just say aight you can now get to level 125 instead of 100.

@grumpyw01f said in Optional Prestige Option?:

Because prestige comes with the idea that there is no end to the grind (or almost no end). An extra 25 levels is tailored for a new grind with specific rewards that will take a specific amount of effort.

I'd challenge this by asking...why can't we have a new challenge with specific rewards that take a specific amount of effort WITHOUT raising the level cap? They don't have to go hand-in-hand.

A prestige with no end creates problems for new content.

I'd lead more towards Rare creating content is what creates problems for new content. Numbers are easy. Creating engaging content and rewarding properly is the real challenge.

@sweetsandman thats fair your and the first person in this thread that seems to understand where the people asking for a prestige system are coming from. there needs to be something to do once you hit max professions that isn't over with a week because even if its better than a prestige system were right back where we started wanting something to do that has more meaning

@nitroxien said in Optional Prestige Option?:

I'm very confused why so many people say no to a prestige system but yes to raising the level cap... Do people not realize they achieve the exact same effect. Either work tbh.

Because prestige comes with the idea that there is no end to the grind (or almost no end). An extra 25 levels is tailored for a new grind with specific rewards that will take a specific amount of effort.

A prestige with no end creates problems for new content.

Not to mention prestige is a more complicated (and stupid, in my opinion) way to track numbers (i.e. level 100 vs prestige 2, level 25).

So I would prefer a periodic cap increase to a convoluted prestige system. And an endless prestige system is garbage.

@greatfailure82 said in Optional Prestige Option?:

I'll respond in reverse here...

a prestige system takes nothing away from the game or people playing the game, i said this before and i'll say it again now if anyone can give me 1 reason why a prestige system shouldn't get introduced that doesn't boil down to someone personally not wanting it in the game i'll change my stance if its a good enough reason. so far no one has been able to

It's not that there's one "good" reason that it shouldn't exist in SOT. Allowing players to start their faction reps over at zero just doesn't add anything to the game. It's just more of the same...more of seeing the numbers go up again for the sake of seeing the numbers go up again. It's the same reason I don't see any point in raising the level caps again. I think both are equally pointless exercises that only offer to have people doing the same stuff over and over again like zombies as @nitroxien alluded to. But hey, if seeing faction rankings progress again and again by doing the same stuff will keep people coming back to the game, I have no problem with it. I just also don't see it doing that. It just gives the people who were already going to keep playing regardless of the level caps a new number to look at. Most of them (myself included) would probably roll their eyes at the idea of going back and having to do hundreds more of the same voyages for each faction. I'd probably hard pass on whatever those rewards would be lol.

@sweetsandman id say your point in general is a good one, whether something is slightly harder now compared to when it was introduced is an insignificant point to get hold up on. i would prefer more unique quests over a prestige system absolutely. however SoT is nearly 4 years old and each faction has 3? type of quests. if your holding out for my after this time i dont think its coming do you.

the reality is that this game after the first 50 hours is just 1 long grind with no new mechanics. if thats going to be the case as i've said before i would like the best grind possible. for me that means having loot and gold feel valuable. today i did OoS bounty quests for the commendation to kill 1000 skeleton captains, i simply left the skulls on the ground if i couldn't get them back on my ship quickly. when i cared about loot plus gold and having the risk of continuing onto the next island without it getting stolen was a much better experience for me, i simply want a better grind.

My idea of completely revamping the emissary ledger I think could serve to offer that unique mini-grind that is both challenging and rewarding and would serve as a "prestige" system while not having the rankings be altered. If the emissary ledgers for each faction were to complete specific tasks that are a hodge-podge of different activities that must be completed in a certain order, or in a specific amount of time, or while flying the reaper's mark flag, or using a specific item, or any number of other creative things they could do. There's so much content that exists today, from the past, and certainly looking into the future that could be used to offer players a way to unlock something unique each month (or season) without being a ridiculous grind fest that merely offers the satisfaction of seeing a number go up again.

@greatfailure82 said in Optional Prestige Option?:

@captain-coel ok, its not what other people are saying but for the sake of moving onto a point which actually relates to the topic at hand lets say your right on this point

They are wrong. Rare has reduced the numbers from 1000 to 50. They also added quests to barrels and made it so bottles could be found floating out to sea.

The topic at hand is prestiging and the grind that comes with it. In Sea of Thieves that grind exists as commendation grinding. It may not be the grind you want but its there.

And if you are only finding 1 crate quest per 50 hours of gameplay, you are not looking hard enough for them, be a supplirate and crate quests will pile up.

I'm very confused why so many people say no to a prestige system but yes to raising the level cap... Do people not realize they achieve the exact same effect. Either work tbh.

@grumpyw01f if there is a big gold price on prestiging then prestiging in itself becomes a gold sink. for example if i get 2 million gold going from 1-75 and it costs 3 million to prestige that makes gold insanely more valuable than it is now

@greatfailure82 you know what...I don't care anymore, a prestige system won't come anyway to SoT, no matter if you think it's a good idea
I'm going in circles...yeah, with you, you know

@greatfailure82

a prestige system takes nothing away from the game or people playing the game, i said this before and i'll say it again now if anyone can give me 1 reason why a prestige system shouldn't get introduced that doesn't boil down to someone personally not wanting it in the game i'll change my stance if its a good enough reason. so far no one has been able to

Makes gold worthless because everyone's grinding. New prices, loads of new cosmetics, or a lot of good gold sinks would have to result. Redoing the entire economy is not good for sea of thieves.

@sweetsandman id say your point in general is a good one, whether something is slightly harder now compared to when it was introduced is an insignificant point to get hold up on. i would prefer more unique quests over a prestige system absolutely. however SoT is nearly 4 years old and each faction has 3? type of quests. if your holding out for my after this time i dont think its coming do you.

the reality is that this game after the first 50 hours is just 1 long grind with no new mechanics. if thats going to be the case as i've said before i would like the best grind possible. for me that means having loot and gold feel valuable. today i did OoS bounty quests for the commendation to kill 1000 skeleton captains, i simply left the skulls on the ground if i couldn't get them back on my ship quickly. when i cared about loot plus gold and having the risk of continuing onto the next island without it getting stolen was a much better experience for me, i simply want a better grind.

a prestige system takes nothing away from the game or people playing the game, i said this before and i'll say it again now if anyone can give me 1 reason why a prestige system shouldn't get introduced that doesn't boil down to someone personally not wanting it in the game i'll change my stance if its a good enough reason. so far no one has been able to

@greatfailure82 It kind of does apply, though. Making something an absolute grind-fest is not the same as making something challenging or fun. A prestige system that simply resets each faction level over and over turns an already grindy game into an even bigger grind fest that only a small percentage of the community really would be interested in.

We need to stop asking for them to allow us to do the same content 25, 50, 100, 240, 500+ times in the exact same way.

@captain-coel ok, its not what other people are saying but for the sake of moving onto a point which actually relates to the topic at hand lets say your right on this point

@greatfailure82 they were not more common. they were equally rare, that is why the commendations were nerfed

@grumpyw01f ok so im right, im sure time consuming doesn't equal 50 hours of gameplay ?

either way this is a sidetopic at the very best and if im right or wrong doesn't change a single thing about the topic at hand

@greatfailure82 said in Optional Prestige Option?:

@captain-coel flameheart personally i think is harder to grind if i want to grind it out now admittedly not that 10 is alot before i could disconnect and join a new server until i see him. if i do OoS events i only have a 20% chance i believe of seeing him. so it was certainly quicker the old way. crates i am actively looking for always i reckon i see one fruit crate quest every 50 or so hours of play i dont know the rate at which they were when they were introduced but seeing as the commendation originally was 1000 im going to say they were alot more common. something which is backed up by the other thread in this forum

They said that they were changing those commendations in a Developer Update. In which they stated that they realized that those commendations were way too hard. They even gave 'Overachiever Sails' to those that had grade V in one of those commendations already (which included more than just the crates, no one had 1000 crates at that point). So, saying:

im going to say they were alot more common.

Is not correct. Maybe they were a bit more common, certainly not enough to warrant requiring you to sell 20x more of them. Especially since we did not have storage crate transfers or buyable supplies back then... It was not only hard to find a crate, but time-consuming to fill one. If they did make the crates less common, that's good, because it justified making a number as low as 50 so that you would spend less overall time filling crates than finding them.

@schwammlgott i dont play CoD and CoD didn't develop the prestige system

as for the majority of the playerbase i wont pretend to speak for everyone just like i think its absurd that you are pretending to do now. all i know is that i see more than its fair share of forums threads asking for something like that. as for the rest of your post your just going around in circles. im adressing every point you make whilst you are selectively ignoring parts of mine.

@greatfailure82 said in Optional Prestige Option?:

sorry but no, maybe you dont understand how prestige works but you will not suddenly become level 100 if you have prestiged. you simply cannot go past the current highest level which as we both know is 75. if they introduce a new cap to 100 and a prestige option people that have chosen to prestige will at best be level 75 just like people who haven't prestiged. so you do get to engage in the 75 to 100 grind and even if it did work the way you think it works (which it doesn't) obviously it will include threats from pvp reapers, pvp reapers dont simply go away because there is no prestige option.

no offense but you dont seem to understand how prestiging works. its quite simple really, you just go back to level 1 and possibly (hopefully) its harder to level back upto 75 than it was before the prestige, when you hit 75 again you get a new title and cosmetic and (again hopefully) an option to prestige once again. thats it. you dont miss out on anything gameplaywise if you do or dont prestige its simply not possible

That also makes no sense. If I'm at prestige 25 and 74, I'm going to need to do more effort than anyone else to get new cosmetics? And if my prestige level is lowered to meet the xp requirements for the new cap, what if I fall in level 86?

@captain-coel flameheart personally i think is harder to grind if i want to grind it out now admittedly not that 10 is alot before i could disconnect and join a new server until i see him. if i do OoS events i only have a 20% chance i believe of seeing him. so it was certainly quicker the old way. crates i am actively looking for always i reckon i see one fruit crate quest every 50 or so hours of play i dont know the rate at which they were when they were introduced but seeing as the commendation originally was 1000 im going to say they were alot more common. something which is backed up by the other thread in this forum

@greatfailure82 crates have been made easier im confused. you can now spawn flameheart instead of waiting for it pop up.

@greatfailure82 sagte in Optional Prestige Option?:

sorry but no, maybe you dont understand how prestige works but you will not suddenly become level 100 if you have prestiged. you simply cannot go past the current highest level which as we both know is 75. if they introduce a new cap to 100 and a prestige option people that have chosen to prestige will at best be level 75 just like people who haven't prestiged. so you do get to engage in the 75 to 100 grind and even if it did work the way you think it works (which it doesn't) obviously it will include threats from pvp reapers, pvp reapers dont simply go away because there is no prestige option.

no offense but you dont seem to understand how prestiging works. its quite simple really, you just go back to level 1 and possibly (hopefully) its harder to level back upto 75 than it was before the prestige, when you hit 75 again you get a new title and cosmetic and (again hopefully) an option to prestige once again. thats it. you dont miss out on anything gameplaywise if you do or dont prestige its simply not possible

You mean how prestige works in other games? How CoD developed it...me and the majority of the playerbase don't want such a system.
You just want a copy&paste feature from a completely different kind of game
Sea of Thieves is different in so many ways, that's why I and some others said, that we have already a prestige thing, just not that stupid "get back to lvl 1 and do the same thing again"-prestige thing
Our prestige is the cosmetics we earned in previous (time limited) events

You completely fail to see what we mean, because the only thing you want is to get back to lvl 1 and grind up again

@nex-stargaze if you read my posts no i am not simply proposing a prestige system just for more cosmetics