Ahoy!

Whilst we welcome healthy debate on the Forums, threads made just to spread discontent and negative sentiment go directly against the rules.

Rare will never compromise on our vision for Sea of Thieves as a shared world adventure game with elements of both PvE and PvP. The collaboration with Disney to bring Sea of Thieves: A Pirate's Life to the game is an addition to the game and a new way to play, it is not an inherent change to the vision or intent of the game or its journey.

I will be dropping anchor on this thread here.

Thanks,
j0toro

@lord-spark-0 said in Rare: A shared world experience has always been our goal. Also Rare: A Pirates Life.:

@chronodusk said in Rare: A shared world experience has always been our goal. Also Rare: A Pirates Life.:

@lord-spark-0 said in Rare: A shared world experience has always been our goal. Also Rare: A Pirates Life.:

This is great. This goes to show that the podcast is meaningless. Rare is going to give and build on something good for these people that have felt alienated from the SoT PvP community for 3 years. Its about time.

What Rare said in the podcast is still true: Sea of Thieves is a Shared World experience and in order to progress to Pirate Legend and experience what the game has to offer, you will need to play with other players in that Shared World.

You can't even take your loot into the portals and your voyages are cancelled upon entering, this is not even close to being a PvE only substitute for playing in the shared world.

The point you are trying to make here just sounds borderline delusional.

@juan-jalapeno Legend

As a pvpve player who opposes Pve only adventure servers, I'm very much in favour of all Tall Tales being instanced.

If the success of those 5 encourages Rare to make all future Tall Tales in the same way, that will be a victory for all players imo.

@jumli7 said in Rare: A shared world experience has always been our goal. Also Rare: A Pirates Life.:

@thirk2780

This. No amount of monologuing by OP is gonna change the fact that PoTC is the reason for upcoming success. The PvE is incidental and nobody is going to care after playing it once.

If you're talking about the new 5 Tall Tales, that was a pretty bold assumption.
They have rewards for completing them multiple times.
Pretty sure a large amount of people will be playing them again.

Yup, people will do them the required amount of time to get the tied cosmetics and most likely won't touch them again once completed.

Every time new tales are introduced, a bunch of people complain that doing the same tale 3-5 times is too much and the requirement should be lowered. This probably won't be much different.

But for those who are willing to keep doing those 5 tales over and over (for a meager payoff beyond cosmetics) because of the instanced nature of it, knock yourselves out!

To me it makes no doubt that the PVE nature of those tales is tied to the more cinematic and bigger storytelling aspect of them requiring a bigger stage and uninterruptible moments for the story to unfold properly.

It still will be awesome and I personally have no problem with bigger tales being instanced frankly, that's what OP can't seem to understand, having a few tales isn't taking anyone away from the player pool or splitting it, unlike funneling people in 2 different server categories.

PVE-only advocates kept harping about arena as an argument about deserving their own space too, and PVEVP people kept saying that a short equivalent PVE experience would be perfectly fine, looks like they got listened to!

@lord-spark-0

Honestly to say. The overall situation with pure PvE vs PvEvP is pretty indicative in your thread. This becomes very much clear just by looking at your OP and then @WolfManbush 's reply to it, but also later on as well. Overall there's not much support to your standpoint brother.

I believe the conclusion here is pretty clear: PvE purists are only a vocal minority in our whole community.
And my personal opinion (which I think isn't far from the actual reality): for every 1 PvE purist there are 10 PvEvP supporters.

ADDITIONALLY, a very big reason for your "hot topic" to be hot, is because some of your PvE server Discords require people to post such a thread in here, so they can be granted access to the Discord and PvE servers. That's also why most of the "PwEe plsz" threads that were opened in here through time were from 1st time posters...

@thirk2780

This. No amount of monologuing by OP is gonna change the fact that PoTC is the reason for upcoming success. The PvE is incidental and nobody is going to care after playing it once.

If you're talking about the new 5 Tall Tales, that was a pretty bold assumption.
They have rewards for completing them multiple times.
Pretty sure a large amount of people will be playing them again.

@bloodybil Its not just 5 tall tales, he can also enjoy the Maiden Voyage XD
Jump around, talk to Ramsey... The options are unlimited!

So much freedom without these damned PIRATES in a pirate themed game...

@lord-spark-0 Lol it has nothing to do with the PvE PvP debate, even hardcore PvP players dont see the need to attack while they wont gain anything from it.

The reason why we are against PvE servers is becuse its gonna be abused for grind and devalue gold and rep, but a place to enjoy the story without doing the things ive mentioned is not a problem for us.

Not sure why you are calling it some kind of victory.... We opposed the idea mainly from the reasons ive stated but if it dosent hurt the balance of PvE PvP its all good for us.

You act as this is only the beggining.. Dont let the door slam you on your way out because Rare made it very clear+ the vast majority of the community that PvE servers will NEVER come to Sea of Thieves.
If you want it that much at some point private servers will come but at the cost of no progression and gold, with a monthly fee.
That is an option for you.

Also this update helps people looking for pvp chances are you can server hop with a grade 5 reaper now 😉

There isn't really many "pvp guys" in the sea of thieves, I find most players fall more under the pvpve group (the way the main game is intended to be)

You do of course also have a smaller percentage that a part of the pve only group, but looking through the forums quickly becomes clear that they are mostly new players or players that don't have any experience in pvp games.

Truly a Steam forum drama thread.
In both form and tone.

A player claiming victory when there is no conflict.

@lord-spark-0 said in Rare: A shared world experience has always been our goal. Also Rare: A Pirates Life.:

@burnbacon said in Rare: A shared world experience has always been our goal. Also Rare: A Pirates Life.:

What did they win tho?

From a story point like this. Something with a npc that follows you on your ship. There only one jack sparrow. So seeing other ships with jack and fighting would be crazy and weird. Story broken.

So having these tall tales locked in a pve area seems fine as they are.

They won a PvE mode inside SoT.

This isn't a PvEvP experience. I bet there is more to come after they see more players come back to the game new and old alike.

fun have fun and keep telling yourself that it's just not going to happen

This is not an argument worth having. Some minds just won't be changed.

@gallerine5582 said in Rare: A shared world experience has always been our goal. Also Rare: A Pirates Life.:

@closinghare208 said in Rare: A shared world experience has always been our goal. Also Rare: A Pirates Life.:

@lord-spark-0 said in Rare: A shared world experience has always been our goal. Also Rare: A Pirates Life.:

@thirk2780 @joe-krakatoa @cotu42 @gallerine5582

Lest we forget. The main crux of a solid No to a PVE anything thread was because the game design is PvEvP. And the new podcast clearly says they have no intention of making a PvE server.

But they went ahead and made the biggest year addition content PvE only.

And say what you want. Speculate all you want. That is the facts. They could have easily kept to the PvEvP formula using the PoTC franchise but decided to keep the unknown threat of other players out of the experience.

You can harp all you want about (its only 5 tall tales) etc etc. The fact of the matter is its going to bring in revenue. Those of us that are for PvE servers can see the writing on the wall that there are many people that dont want to play the game as is and would prefer what Rare has already made. Thats the bottom line.

What do you think they are going to do when they see more dollar signs go up for this?? hmmmmm

So, case closed.

Rare, ultimately, listened and gave the biggest year to the PvE crowd.

keep telling yourself that have fun

Man's just case closing it like an investigation on a mid-day drama sitcom

yes

@closinghare208 said in Rare: A shared world experience has always been our goal. Also Rare: A Pirates Life.:

@lord-spark-0 said in Rare: A shared world experience has always been our goal. Also Rare: A Pirates Life.:

@thirk2780 @joe-krakatoa @cotu42 @gallerine5582

Lest we forget. The main crux of a solid No to a PVE anything thread was because the game design is PvEvP. And the new podcast clearly says they have no intention of making a PvE server.

But they went ahead and made the biggest year addition content PvE only.

And say what you want. Speculate all you want. That is the facts. They could have easily kept to the PvEvP formula using the PoTC franchise but decided to keep the unknown threat of other players out of the experience.

You can harp all you want about (its only 5 tall tales) etc etc. The fact of the matter is its going to bring in revenue. Those of us that are for PvE servers can see the writing on the wall that there are many people that dont want to play the game as is and would prefer what Rare has already made. Thats the bottom line.

What do you think they are going to do when they see more dollar signs go up for this?? hmmmmm

So, case closed.

Rare, ultimately, listened and gave the biggest year to the PvE crowd.

keep telling yourself that have fun

Man's just case closing it like an investigation on a mid-day drama sitcom

Somehow people clinging to idea of PVE, but they missed hidden message in the trailer of Pirate Life.
That ship that sails to new World is sporting Sea Dog sails... Double Gun Sea Dog sails. They could have used any other sails and flag but they have put Double Gun Sea Dog in trailer....

@lord-spark-0 Glad to know you're on the "Inner circle" of development and saying our knowledge of what they said on the podcast is regarded as speculation, and what you say is facts.

I appreciate your confidence of being so sure of yourself but a single series of tall tales being limited to your own crew is in no way a fact that it'll have a domino effect. Only time will tell and all this arguing over telling me the facts that you know the devs enough to DM them or have a facetime call to know that PvE servers are coming is dumb, nothing you claim is facts except for what has already been officially confirmed by the devs e.g "5 tall tales limited to your own crew"
That was the first and only step they've taken towards PvE servers, with the exception of my favorite thing to tell you lot;

Custom servers!
No progression, no threat, and a small monthly fee.
You don't want to be bothered by other players, then go play on a custom server why don't ya?

I'd like to imagine that after 3 whole years and the only thing you've got is 5 tall tales and non-progression servers, I'd think you'd get the hint, but you can never estimate the acceptance/intelligence/persistance of the internet.

@chronodusk said in Rare: A shared world experience has always been our goal. Also Rare: A Pirates Life.:

@lord-spark-0 said in Rare: A shared world experience has always been our goal. Also Rare: A Pirates Life.:

And now the players calls have been answered.

....Lol has it though? One cool new instanced area to explore for the purposes of 5 Tall Tales, but you still have to go back to the main world if you want to do forts, voyages, or make any progress toward the cosmetics you want.

You will not see or experience anywhere close to everything that Sea of Thieves has to offer in that area alone. If you think you can enjoy the game only experiencing one small part of it, then you have at it, but we'll see you on the high and perilous seas again when you decide you want to find and sell any loot or make any progress in the game outside of that Tall Tale sequence :)

I've already addressed this post because now the narrative switched to : oh but its only 5 tall tales. Thats small.

Its a disregard to what I'm talking about here. Rare says their goal is to build a shared world experience (the hot ticket that the anti-PvE crowd loves to bring up).
A pirates life is not a shared world experience outside of a solo/coop experience as intended.

This is great. This goes to show that the podcast is meaningless. Rare is going to give and build on something good for these people that have felt alienated from the SoT PvP community for 3 years. Its about time.

I can handle my own at Sea. Thanks for the sentiment though. I'm not bothered by PvP or PvEvP. The community can learn a thing or two from this development of the game though. Its not all about the Gold.

@burnbacon said in Rare: A shared world experience has always been our goal. Also Rare: A Pirates Life.:

What did they win tho?

From a story point like this. Something with a npc that follows you on your ship. There only one jack sparrow. So seeing other ships with jack and fighting would be crazy and weird. Story broken.

So having these tall tales locked in a pve area seems fine as they are.

They won a PvE mode inside SoT.

This isn't a PvEvP experience. I bet there is more to come after they see more players come back to the game new and old alike.

@lord-spark-0 said in Rare: A shared world experience has always been our goal. Also Rare: A Pirates Life.:

@cotu42 said in Rare: A shared world experience has always been our goal. Also Rare: A Pirates Life.:

@lord-spark-0

The fact that they have a major update that revolves around PVE with an unique experience, a story line with its own rewards and game play does not showcase any indication that the general gameplay will change.

The claims you make about the main crux of a solid No to a PvE anything thread is simply a false statement, go read the Mega thread if you do not believe me. Those that defend the game and the PvEvP genre have stated on multiple occasions that PvE that offers unique rewards, gameplay and does not overlap with the main adventure game is totally viable. It is those that are for PvE servers that fought back on that tooth and nail on such a limited implementation; this is not speculation, it is written in black and white... I know because I was part of the conversation.

If this turns out to be a success, you might see more tall tales follow this course of action. Yet they were already heading in this direction if you simply look at the tall tales previously added and the addition of check points. They already want you to follow the story line without risking it all. There is no writing on the wall that the Adventure mode is going to change at all or that one will ever be able to become legend without heading into it.

Also, nothing wrong with PvE in a PvEvP game, it is part of the genre and frankly has received most of the attention since day 1.... this isn't a change to the status quo.

Mhm. I was in that Thread just before they took it down. I was trolled and tagged by people that didn't want to hear my point of view and they even tried to convince me that Arena mode is a PvEvP mode when Arena itself is contradictory to anything having to do with PvE.. just to stretch their arguments against anything to do with PvE.

But anyways. I know you dont care and you often side with those people.

This is a win for the PvE crowd.

Look at the responses here. People are talking about 'camping' the entrance portal. Like they think we're coming back through it? Wouldn't people just log off in the other realm? Who knows.

But those are the ideas of PvP orientated players. Instead of having good fun, they would rather try their hardest to 'grief' other players (which is the main complaint of almost all PvE threads)

But you dont care. Oh well.

Happy sailing. Im done here.

good bye bye

@lord-spark-0 said in Rare: A shared world experience has always been our goal. Also Rare: A Pirates Life.:

@thirk2780 @joe-krakatoa @cotu42 @gallerine5582

Lest we forget. The main crux of a solid No to a PVE anything thread was because the game design is PvEvP. And the new podcast clearly says they have no intention of making a PvE server.

But they went ahead and made the biggest year addition content PvE only.

And say what you want. Speculate all you want. That is the facts. They could have easily kept to the PvEvP formula using the PoTC franchise but decided to keep the unknown threat of other players out of the experience.

You can harp all you want about (its only 5 tall tales) etc etc. The fact of the matter is its going to bring in revenue. Those of us that are for PvE servers can see the writing on the wall that there are many people that dont want to play the game as is and would prefer what Rare has already made. Thats the bottom line.

What do you think they are going to do when they see more dollar signs go up for this?? hmmmmm

So, case closed.

Rare, ultimately, listened and gave the biggest year to the PvE crowd.

keep telling yourself that have fun

@lord-spark-0 said in Rare: A shared world experience has always been our goal. Also Rare: A Pirates Life.:

And now the players calls have been answered.

....Lol has it though? One cool new instanced area to explore for the purposes of 5 Tall Tales, but you still have to go back to the main world if you want to do forts, voyages, or make any progress toward the cosmetics you want.

You will not see or experience anywhere close to everything that Sea of Thieves has to offer in that area alone. If you think you can enjoy the game only experiencing one small part of it, then you have at it, but we'll see you on the high and perilous seas again when you decide you want to find and sell any loot or make any progress in the game outside of that Tall Tale sequence :)

You are welcome enjoy