@cornelius-ix

I think its perfect the way it is, your changes would make it necessary to constantly adjust sails, not the most exciting thing to do, especially solo or in open crew. Its not a sailing simulator.

Hello,

Whatever floats your boat. But no, the changes I'm suggesting wouldn't make it necessary to constantly adjust sails. This has also been clarified earlier in this thread.

And again, I'm not suggesting turning SoT into a sailing simulator. Please read the thread more thoroughly before commenting.

Happy Sailing!

@fast-420

This is not real life buddy. Sloops have only 1 advantage and thats it brigs and gallys have many advantages take the one advantage away? No thank you!!!!!It was put in the game to level the playing field. Go pick on ship your own size if you can't catch sloops get over it . This is how it's been for 3 + years and will stay that way some people have no desire to fight and should have 1 option to escape. your suggesting they have zero chance if they don't want to fight. You should just get better to your approach of these ships that can out wit you!

Hello,

You really haven't grasped what I'm suggesting here. I guess I'll have to repeat myself again.

• I'm really not suggesting more realism. Just that the sailing-mechanics realistically adhere to the logic that's already in the game; i.e. Physics.

• Tweaking the game as I've suggested would essentially strengthen the sloop. Not weaken it. Please read some of the comments in this thread if you need clarification. The sloop would have two options to escape instead of one.

• For me on a Galleon with a competent crew, it's really not that hard to chase down a dummy-sailing sloop. It's very predictable. However, when sloops actually use the wind-mechanics logically they can be very hard, if not impossible to catch.

You have no idea of my skill-level and you just pull your assumptions out of thin air, leading to baseless personal accusations. Since your argument makes no sense in relation to what's actually being suggested here, I encourage you to try again with a bit more knowledge next time. Or not if you don't have any productive feedback.

Happy Sailing!

This is not real life buddy. Sloops have only 1 advantage and thats it brigs and gallys have many advantages take the one advantage away? No thank you!!!!!It was put in the game to level the playing field. Go pick on ship your own size if you can't catch sloops get over it . This is how it's been for 3 + years and will stay that way some people have no desire to fight and should have 1 option to escape. your suggesting they have zero chance if they don't want to fight. You should just get better to your approach of these ships that can out wit you!

I think its perfect the way it is, your changes would make it necessary to constantly adjust sails, not the most exciting thing to do, especially solo or in open crew. Its not a sailing simulator.

@chlodovicus My favorite aspect of SOT is actually the sailing part. I would love a much more exciting complex realistic sailing experience however I don’t think that is what Rare is going for. It’s pretty simple straight up game from its sailing to its PvP. I don’t really see them focusing much on sailing realism anytime soon.

@blam320

The mere fact you jumped to the idea that I'm somehow "offended" really only confirms my accusation. You're not actually "discussing" with anyone, you're insisting that you are correct, even when reasonable counterpoints are brought up against your argument.

Hello,

Thanks for specifying your accusation. Please enlighten me about the specific counterpoints where you believe I'm incorrect. I'll happily clarify my arguments if there's any doubt.

There is a lot of positive feedback in general. And also great constructive feedback, regarding the potential reasons why tweaking this game-mechanic might be a challenge to implement. Furthermore, this thread has also included an argument about the Sloop being the ship that would benefit the most by a tweak; A great argument I alone can't take credit for clarifying.

Happy Sailing!

@chlodovicus said in Please, for the love of sailing-ships, negate the use of "dummy-sails":

@blam320

Hello,

OP, it sounds like you're looking for an echo chamber to simply agree with your preconceived notion, and not for any actual discussion about the subject you brought up.

Well, it seems to me that you're offended somehow by the suggestion of a correction of this game-mechanic. Instead of presenting any arguments you simply criticise me for bringing up the subject and naturally stating my point of view. How is that constructive?

If you have any arguments or issues I'll happily debate them with you. Although it would seem that you're not that interested in a sound debate based on your current feedback. Luckily, others are.

Happy Sailing!

The mere fact you jumped to the idea that I'm somehow "offended" really only confirms my accusation. You're not actually "discussing" with anyone, you're insisting that you are correct, even when reasonable counterpoints are brought up against your argument.

@katttruewalker
The best that I can see is that they can just make it so that you have to angle the mast to either full starboard or port with a headwind and you have to sail at ~10 degrees off from true headwind and at or near true headwind make the sloop have an arbitrary speed boost to make it able to escape other ships (escape mechanic).

@chlodovicus said in Please, for the love of sailing-ships, negate the use of "dummy-sails":

The fact that the ships sail fastest when angling the sail(s) so they are facing the wind, when sailing in an approximate angle 0~45 degrees against the wind, has bugged me since launch.

Anyone I've sailed with knows how much this mechanic irritates me as well.

Despite all the valid reasons regarding technical aspects of game design it pulls me right out of the immersive sailing experience every single time sadly.

I often wondered if they changed the rig of the sloop to a more bermuda/gaff style it might not only 'feel' better but also provide an opportunity to experiment with different sailing styles and tactics.

The cannot fix hit reg. Balance sword play. And you are worried about dummy sails?
Wheres the pirate legend end game!? 🤣

@chlodovicus

i agree with you, but with this community and Rare - forget it!

@blam320

Hello,

OP, it sounds like you're looking for an echo chamber to simply agree with your preconceived notion, and not for any actual discussion about the subject you brought up.

Well, it seems to me that you're offended somehow by the suggestion of a correction of this game-mechanic. Instead of presenting any arguments you simply criticise me for bringing up the subject and naturally stating my point of view. How is that constructive?

If you have any arguments or issues I'll happily debate them with you. Although it would seem that you're not that interested in a sound debate based on your current feedback. Luckily, others are.

Happy Sailing!

@galactic-geek said in Please, for the love of sailing-ships, negate the use of "dummy-sails":

@bizi-betiko said in Please, for the love of sailing-ships, negate the use of "dummy-sails":

@galactic-geek Both ships on same server in column formation with the sloop in front. That will prevent any deviation from affecting one ship over the other.

But waves go side-to-side (from NW to SE). Even in that formation, and going directly into the waves, the waves will still hit 1 ship before the other. If either ship passes an island, that too may give that ship an advantage due to calmer waters.

@galactic-geek Both ships on same server in column formation with the sloop in front. That will prevent any deviation from affecting one ship over the other.

@bizi-betiko said in Please, for the love of sailing-ships, negate the use of "dummy-sails":

@galactic-geek Science like I did, Geek. Get a sloop and a brig and sail directly into headwind with dummy sails on both ships. The brig is slightly faster.

What about wave direction and roughness? Those can adversely affect the experiment due to drift and pull.

@galactic-geek Science like I did, Geek. Get a sloop and a brig and sail directly into headwind with dummy sails on both ships. The brig is slightly faster.

@chlodovicus
Unfortunate that you (correctly) point out that Streamers drive the production of the game more than logically-minded and critically thinking individuals like you and I. It's truly a shame.

But, I agree with you. Dummy-sails shouldn't be a thing. And in all reality, from a QA perspective, it is a bug.

@bizi-betiko said:

The brigantine is actually a couple of percent faster than the sloop in headwind with dummy sails, making the sloop is outclassed in every situation, sans turning radius.

This is the 1st that I have heard of this. Could you please offer up some evidence to support your claim?

OP, it sounds like you're looking for an echo chamber to simply agree with your preconceived notion, and not for any actual discussion about the subject you brought up.

@bizi-betiko

Hello,

I'm glad that you agree. Excellent clarification of the Sloops' current characteristics by the way.

Happy Sailing!

@chlodovicus The sloop only receives increasing forward momentum from two sail positions; dummy sails in headwind and angled for full billow. Partial wind in the sail without billow does not grant an increase in momentum and is counterintuitive to the other sailing mechanics in the game. Dummy sails may have been an unintended mechanic, but has been embraced by the community as the sloop's main escape tactic when being pursued by other ships. Instead of relying on bugs to evade pursuit, all ships should rely on the same sailing mechanics by taking advantage of wind properly. The brigantine is actually a couple of percent faster than the sloop in headwind with dummy sails, making the sloop is outclassed in every situation, sans turning radius.

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Here is a great illustration of how sailing currently works in SoT: