What means: Let everyone play like he or she want to!

  • Stundorn
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    With the actual discussions we have i want to share my view on the claim:
    Let every player play like he or she want to and like to hear yours.
    i know it will desperate me :D

    So to me SoT is a PvEvP pirate Adventure game.
    This means it's foremost a PvE game about having a funny pirate adventure.
    But it also means there is PvP possible all the time and you have to keep an eye on the horizon and never know intentions of other players. To not get understood wrong: I LIKE THAT!
    The game offers various things to do (i googled employment opportunities, but i think this sounds to business like :D) from fishing to PvP.
    The claim above to me means you can of course do only one thing, you can only fish and be a fishermen - fine.
    You can also do only PvP - fine!
    Imho you limit yourself and dont see the rest of it, but so be it if you like to be the fihermen or the cruel nasty pirate only so be it do PvP only.
    But now the difference of actual meta playing of so many players.
    Dont cheese the game! Dont hop servers for it and dont create unintended situations such as premade alliances to cheese commendations, to setup full Alliance servers and get out of the overall players pool and also to to find PvP all the time.

    Its not meant to find PvP all the time, its not meant to be in a premade alliance or full PvE Server.
    This is not playing the game like everybody want to - it is cheesing the game!
    And some Streamers even do have fans hopping for them to find them prey - how bad is that?

    It's not meant to grind a single event only or do only golden Chicken runs etc..., if this would be the case Rare could have easily give us the options to do, but this then has nothing to do with a pirate adventure, but with working off tasks to get pixel rewards. sad if you ask me.

    Let everyone play like he/she want to means play the game like intended and dont cheat, exploit and game the system.
    some comparisons.

    You're playing an online FPS - the round runs bad for your team, you logg and find a better lobby?
    You are reverseboosting yourself to allways end up with fresh meat to stomp on?

    Lets talk about streamsniping.
    So its ok to have streamers to hop servers to find us, but its not ok to hop servers to find them and kill the streamer?
    What doublestandards are that?
    There is allways the argument the hopper is no different to the regular player then.
    This logic can also used pro streamsnipng, why is the one streamsniping in any way different from a regular player finding and attacking a streamers ship?
    Doublestandards it is, nothing else.

    there is a lot of potential in interactions, but the meta is PVP only or stay at minimum 2 squares away and leave me alone.
    How sad is that for a game that wanted its players to interact, but not only PvP and when PvP still empathic, caring, friendly, just playfull and not exagerating, stomping and trashtalking.
    It's relativeley easy to distract these players, make them upset and they will get nuts start a drama, but then leave.

    So finally to say it again, you can PvP only, you can do PvE only, you can fish only or be a photographer of the beatifull islands, you can be a storyteller in the tavern a snakehunter or chicken cook i dont mind how you play the game as long as you dont cheese and exploit the game or even cheat.

    With the meta of Serverhopping a lot of SoT's social interactions potential and fun is just gone.
    They are like game leavers and cherry pickers.

    Who likes to play with cherry pickers?!

    Some streamers, shure not all, but the popular ones care only for their numbers and not about the games community or it's health and they show and popularize playstyles that are to be ashamed of - really!

    Let everyone play like he want to, but exclude exploits, cheesing and extreme playstyles that arent intended!
    It will balance things far more better out regarding PvEvP and it will just distract some uneasy sweats trahstalking and exploiting.

    We dont need players who cheese and are overly agressive and we also dont need players who refuse to interact organically with everyone else, but hop themself out of the pool and make alliance servers.
    Two extremes that imho dont belong to "Let everyone play like he or she want to".

    the game is heavily random, if that is not for you you are maybe playing the wrong game to please you.
    Found a way to circumvent that means not let everyone play like he want to, it means you cheese and exploit the game ahd harm every regular player with your playstyle.

    i have spoken
    Kuill :D

    edit i needed to edit the title, because he minus she is censored facepalm

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  • WolfManbush
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    The stream sniping rule is a silly entitlement. It's hard to prove and hard to enforce and in general it's nonsense. I don't know how often it's enforced but it seems more like a meme to me at this point. Streamers think it's funny to just "joke" about sniping over and over but I can't imagine it's enforced very often. People probably have a lot of hearsay and exaggerations about it but I dunno the facts on how often a true ban for it happens. The rule exists because the platform and the content maker have shared invested interest in the content. It's not a rule based on fair and unfair in gameplay it's just an entitlement to protect content and to be enforced when they see fit.

    The solution is not revenge rules to get back at entitled streamers. Less silly rules that restrict people not more.

    The opportunity for people to server hop is awesome and the pros FAR outweigh any cons. This game is significantly better because people hop.

    None of this stuff is really a problem and that can be seen by anyone that sails often. The seas are balanced sometimes it's exciting sometimes it's relaxed often times it's fun sometimes it's stressful. You very rarely see streamers you only see awesome pvpers from time to time. Nothing is overwhelming once you get past being a new player. The only problem I see on the seas are people coming to forums wanting the developers to cater specifically to their preferred gameplay with very little thought or care put into how it would effect the overall game. The actual gameplay itself is doing very well with servers that offer opportunity to all the different gameplay preferences.

  • Stundorn
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    @wolfmanbush sagte in What means: Let everyone play like he or she want to!:

    This game is significantly better because people hop.

    My experience is different, sorry to say so, but we all can only say what we experience by ourselves.
    It taks a lot away if i know more than half of the community is hopping.

  • D3ADST1CK
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    @stundorn said in What means: Let everyone play like he or she want to!:

    It taks a lot away if i know more than half of the community is hopping.

    Well you will be glad to know that nowhere near half the community is hopping.

  • WolfManbush
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    @stundorn said in What means: Let everyone play like he or she want to!:

    @wolfmanbush sagte in What means: Let everyone play like he or she want to!:

    This game is significantly better because people hop.

    My experience is different, sorry to say so, but we all can only say what we experience by ourselves.
    It taks a lot away if i know more than half of the community is hopping.

    That's all you're considering is your experience and your perception of it

    I'm just like you guys/gals that come in here talking about pve servers and server hopping restrictions and all the other wishes for catering. I've been sunk countless times and lost massive loot. I've been tucked on in every way possible. I've been absolutely humbled and wrecked and destroyed in battle. Every thing that you have been subjected to on a server so have I.

    I signed up for that risk when I started playing I'm not a special snowflake that deserves safety nets and to limit and restrict what others do because it resulted in me taking a butt kickin' in a pirate game.

    The game is better for it because people aren't stuck in some crew where someone is yelling unpleasantries on a loud mic with static while they throw firebombs on the boat. People get to get away from unpleasant crew members and find pirates that they get along with

    Players that do NOT want to be subjected to the very type of behavior and gameplay that many of you complain about can get away from those people without consequence by hopping as many times as they want to

    Restrictions will hit these people hard and it will not stop the people or behavior the rules would be aimed at. It's an open crew destroyer and a burden for casual players that are doing nothing wrong.

  • Stundorn
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    @wolfmanbush sagte in What means: Let everyone play like he or she want to!:

    @stundorn said in What means: Let everyone play like he or she want to!:

    @wolfmanbush sagte in What means: Let everyone play like he or she want to!:

    This game is significantly better because people hop.

    My experience is different, sorry to say so, but we all can only say what we experience by ourselves.
    It taks a lot away if i know more than half of the community is hopping.

    That's all you're considering is your experience and your perception of it

    I'm just like you guys/gals that come in here talking about pve servers and server hopping restrictions and all the other wishes for catering. I've been sunk countless times and lost massive loot. I've been tucked on in every way possible. I've been absolutely humbled and wrecked and destroyed in battle. Every thing that you have been subjected to on a server so have I.

    I signed up for that risk when I started playing I'm not a special snowflake that deserves safety nets and to limit and restrict what others do because it resulted in me taking a butt kickin' in a pirate game.

    The game is better for it because people aren't stuck in some crew where someone is yelling unpleasantries on a loud mic with static while they throw firebombs on the boat. People get to get away from unpleasant crew members and find pirates that they get along with

    Players that do NOT want to be subjected to the very type of behavior and gameplay that many of you complain about can get away from those people without consequence by hopping as many times as they want to

    Restrictions will hit these people hard and it will not stop the people or behavior the rules would be aimed at. It's an open crew destroyer and a burden for casual players that are doing nothing wrong.

    you think SH'ing is a feature, that does not harm anyone, but does good and is about freedom - thanks for the input.

  • Nabberwar
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    @wolfmanbush

    I'm just like you guys/gals that come in here talking about pve servers and server hopping restrictions and all the other wishes for catering. I've been sunk countless times and lost massive loot. I've been tucked on in every way possible. I've been absolutely humbled and wrecked and destroyed in battle. Every thing that you have been subjected to on a server so have I.

    I've never really understood the hatred towards being sunk by "Supposed" Hoppers and the accusations on the quantity of them. I say supposed, because you really have no reliable way to prove they hopped. Mainly because nothing stops a crew from offloading supplies before an attack. I mean, from a purely tactical perspective, mitigating risk of losing loot by offloading first is just smart tactics. One might try to argue supplies amount if they see their barrel stocks, but how does one distinguish poor supplying skills versus just being new to a server?

    The way I see it, the people who are constantly sinking to hoppers are just grasping at excuses to justify their failure. Assuming they did hop, why did you sink to them? Every hopper faces a major handicap of having hardly any supplies. They will rarely have any of the game changing tools that can drastically effect a battle. Those include Chain-shot, Curses, and Wraith-balls. Lets assume hopping gets removed, how do you think they would fair against that same crew fully loaded? If they can sink you with skeleton supplies, what makes you think you stand more of a chance with them supplied?

    Lastly, most of the complaints about hoppers come from people doing highly contested objectives. How does one know the crew hopped or is an aboriginal of the server is coming towards your FOTD? The FOTD in this example is already a highly desired target, its bound to attract attention from everyone.

    I hear a lot of claims that hopping is rampant, but the way I see it, no one has any hard proof on how rampant it is.

  • Stundorn
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    @d3adst1ck true need to be more, because i very rarely hear of people who do not hop.

    I take it as let everybody can play like he want to includes serverhopping for you, thanks for the input.

  • Stundorn
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    @nabberwar please dont derail the topic, i cant remember when i sunk the last time. need to be october iirc.
    wrong claims, sorry and still offtopic.
    to remember you the topic is: What means let every player play like he want to to you?
    thanks

  • Captain Coel
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    @stundorn you are judging everyone on based in your own perception of the world. You call it cheesing to hop for animal quests. you call it cheering to choose something you want to do.

    Rare gave us the tools to find content we want to do and we use them. Sorry this doesn't align with your personal views but that doesn't make it wrong or detrimental.

    Please come down off your high horse and realize that you are just playing a game like the rest of us.

  • LiantherX
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    Hello, going to lock this topic as we have a mega thread discussing this here.

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