@d3adst1ck

That's not how software development works. Unless someone can look through the code, they aren't going to get any help from a random forum user if they say what the problem is - the problem itself is probably a lot more complicated than a forum post would be able to convey.

true. But the random forum user can help the dev point out the problem and tell what scenarios lead up to this problem. Which can help them kind of have a theory and narrow down a few options right? IDK i dont code.

To dive a little deeper on above. I would love to show the devs how to play as a sweat to show insight but I feel like they couldnt give a **** about the individuals themselves (but they care about the tourneys). I would love to show them the bugs ingame while trying to recreate them. I used have many friends who would submit support tickets on bugs whether thats main or insider build but they will still remain 6+ months later. So, the people who can really help point these things out feel like they are ignored. So I feel like the only way they will open up again is if they reach out to whether its the best PvE players have a few crews in mind or the best PvP players (which you can choose based on the partnered tourneys). I just wish people who won tourneys can talk to devs about the state of the game since it is extremely frustrating to be in the dark and not seeing hardly any improvements. Even so when that community expects you to play again and win.

But like what insaiity said then they should be hiring better programmers that are more qualified dealing with a multiplayer game. Which Rare really hasnt done except for co-op games. Even so when they just made so much cash from Steam Release.

I've talked to other programmers from other games who play this game and we came to an agreement that there is so much spaghetti code plaguing this game. Which is why I said they need to hire a small team to start combing through rare's mistakes.

@dlchief58 I guess your minor in math and physics doesnt help you count to three. Since you cant realize that it takes more than two shots to kill someone half the time.

@d3adst1ck sagte in Hit Registration (come on now):

@insaiity said in Hit Registration (come on now):

Yes this would be fine if they would then fix it in a apropriate timespan, but after all this time it got worse. They should just start to discolse what the real problem is, maybe some person on the outside knows a fix and could then help them.

That's not how software development works. Unless someone can look through the code, they aren't going to get any help from a random forum user if they say what the problem is - the problem itself is probably a lot more complicated than a forum post would be able to convey.

Then they should hire experts, that know what to do in these situations. All is better than just staying silent and making everything worse.

@insaiity said in Hit Registration (come on now):

Yes this would be fine if they would then fix it in a apropriate timespan, but after all this time it got worse. They should just start to discolse what the real problem is, maybe some person on the outside knows a fix and could then help them.

That's not how software development works. Unless someone can look through the code, they aren't going to get any help from a random forum user if they say what the problem is - the problem itself is probably a lot more complicated than a forum post would be able to convey.

@trik68 said in Hit Registration (come on now):

@dlchief58 I guess my definition is different compared to you guys. My definition is, does the game function as INTENDED (dont know how to underline) at least 75% of the time? and that answer is no. I have shown all the points on what bugs and how it effects during gameplay to explain why I say no, above.

Except your percentages are garbage and totally wrong, and I have a minors in math and physics so don't try to con me with your hand waving. There are FAR more things that work in this game that you do not give credit for compared to the few things that do not. The game functions as intended much, much more than you try to claim. Your continued hyperbole is not helping you make your case, but rather making it hard to take you seriously.

@bugaboo-bill sagte in Hit Registration (come on now):

@insaiity i fully agree, the thing is i'm the Fall Guys adventure pirate player and you are seeking for what Rare tries to add with Arena and such, a more serious competetive game.
Skillgap is one thing i believe this games doesnt need, because they want to be inclusive and all kind of players have fun together.
This is what i want too, but more serious competetive gamers have a diametral understanding of fun.
That's were meritocracy thinking and performance-related ideas come in.
To me at this point we are already not talking about playing a game anymore.
That's were serious sport competition starts and this just doesnt fit together player wise.

The Moment the game becomes more serious the fun is gone for me.
Fall Guys is a super example.
The moment they add sniper guns and complicated movement that requires much skill the fun is gone :-)
Know what i mean?

What occurs here is what i want devs and publishers would do for ages.
Make games for dedicated gamers and games for casual players who's fun is to be lazy playing for fun only, not for becoming a specialist gamer.
The lazy casual gamer also improves and gets better over time, many of people like me beyond 40, kids, dog, work and such play lets say ambitious, but still casual and only for fun.
I dont make it a sport i need to improve in and become a master.
I see that this is the fun for many competetive gamers.

The problem is always this (exageration alert):

A group of paintball players wont have fun fighting some real paramilitaries who take it serious.

Some friends shoot hoops in the backyard wont have fun fighting some NBA Pro's who take it serious.

The only way this would ever work is, the Pro's, the better players were super sensible and empathic with their fellow players or they even would mix up their teams.
This doesnt happen.

And the anonymous character of the internet and some gamers taking it way too serious - and some casuals too lazy - the whole concept of having them all play together and have fun is utopian.

Rare is pushing me away if they make it more competetive.
Good for you, bad for me.

And so we are here debating to no end.
Defending what we had or have and others like you fighting for improvements in a more serious competetive direction.

You want hitreg fixed, i want rng for laughters 😂

I understand where you are coming form. The only problem I see with dedicated games that only go for one group of players is that by doing so they lose the money and exposure from the other group. That's why this probably won't happen anytime soon.

I know you are not into twitch an all that, but twitch and e-sport and competitiveness is a major selling point and a very good way to advertise your game. That's the reason why highly e-sport competitive games do so well and always have high player counts.

I too sometimes enjoy unserious games like survival games or stuff like humans fall flat or pummel party, however, and this is only my opinion, I think games where a major aspect of the game is pvp and where you can loose a lot of work by being not so good at pvp, will always evolve into being competitive, just because no one likes to lose his hard work or lose against others.

@captain-atry said in Hit Registration (come on now):

@galactic-geek how long you been playing the game it has always been borken

Nearly every day since the closed alpha.

@insaiity i fully agree, the thing is i'm the Fall Guys adventure pirate player and you are seeking for what Rare tries to add with Arena and such, a more serious competetive game.
Skillgap is one thing i believe this games doesnt need, because they want to be inclusive and all kind of players have fun together.
This is what i want too, but more serious competetive gamers have a diametral understanding of fun.
That's were meritocracy thinking and performance-related ideas come in.
To me at this point we are already not talking about playing a game anymore.
That's were serious sport competition starts and this just doesnt fit together player wise.

The Moment the game becomes more serious the fun is gone for me.
Fall Guys is a super example.
The moment they add sniper guns and complicated movement that requires much skill the fun is gone :-)
Know what i mean?

What occurs here is what i want devs and publishers would do for ages.
Make games for dedicated gamers and games for casual players who's fun is to be lazy playing for fun only, not for becoming a specialist gamer.
The lazy casual gamer also improves and gets better over time, many of people like me beyond 40, kids, dog, work and such play lets say ambitious, but still casual and only for fun.
I dont make it a sport i need to improve in and become a master.
I see that this is the fun for many competetive gamers.

The problem is always this (exageration alert):

A group of paintball players wont have fun fighting some real paramilitaries who take it serious.

Some friends shoot hoops in the backyard wont have fun fighting some NBA Pro's who take it serious.

The only way this would ever work is, the Pro's, the better players were super sensible and empathic with their fellow players or they even would mix up their teams.
This doesnt happen.

And the anonymous character of the internet and some gamers taking it way too serious - and some casuals too lazy - the whole concept of having them all play together and have fun is utopian.

Rare is pushing me away if they make it more competetive.
Good for you, bad for me.

And so we are here debating to no end.
Defending what we had or have and others like you fighting for improvements in a more serious competetive direction.

You want hitreg fixed, i want rng for laughters 😂

@galactic-geek how long you been playing the game it has always been borken

@galactic-geek sagte in Hit Registration (come on now):

@insaiity said:

Hence they have a little more insight into actual fight related bugs.

Except, they supposedly aren't fight-related bugs (by your own admission, no less!); they're server-based bugs - hit registration is just a small, and very noticeable, part of the bigger issue. To say, it's fight-related suggests that there is an issue with gameplay mechanics in regards to overall balance, but that's simply not the case here.

No. It means that you notice it more the more you actual fight. If you only have a decent fight once a month then obiously you will only experience hitreg problems once a month, but if you fight more often it happens to you more often. That's why especially arena players or hardcore pvp'ers absolutely suffer from that.
Also that only adresses hitreg. The other bugs are all not server related but just bug in the game. (The sail, mast, repair and cannon bug).

The only thing they do is say, It'S A kNoWn IsSuE... this helps absolutely no one.

Actually it's saying as much as they need to, without divulging too much information and is exactly what needs to be said. It's on you to understand that they are aware of it, and are more than likely working on it, since it's being viewed as an issue. Furthermore, we know they're working on it, and are making incremental progress over time to ensure that no mistakes are made along the way, so why are you so headstrong about bringing it back up again and again? If anything, that's what helps no one - it's just a waste of everyone's time and energy...

Yes this would be fine if they would then fix it in a apropriate timespan, but after all this time it got worse. They should just start to discolse what the real problem is, maybe some person on the outside knows a fix and could then help them.

No actually it's not a waste. If people start to speak up more often and more loudly then they might just finally do more than just say, It'S A kNoWn IsSuE or accept that they themselves are unable to fix it and ask others for help, maybe from bigger companies or other experts.

Not being vocal about a serious problem that plagues the game is never a waste of time.

@insaiity said:

Hence they have a little more insight into actual fight related bugs.

Except, they supposedly aren't fight-related bugs (by your own admission, no less!); they're server-based bugs - hit registration is just a small, and very noticeable, part of the bigger issue. To say, it's fight-related suggests that there is an issue with gameplay mechanics in regards to overall balance, but that's simply not the case here.

The only thing they do is say, It'S A kNoWn IsSuE... this helps absolutely no one.

Actually it's saying as much as they need to, without divulging too much information and is exactly what needs to be said. It's on you to understand that they are aware of it, and are more than likely working on it, since it's being viewed as an issue. Furthermore, we know they're working on it, and are making incremental progress over time to ensure that no mistakes are made along the way, so why are you so headstrong about bringing it back up again and again? If anything, that's what helps no one - it's just a waste of everyone's time and energy...

@mferr11 sagte in Hit Registration (come on now):

@insaiity said in Hit Registration (come on now):

SoT has a tickrate of 8 when fights happen, CSGO has a tickrate of around 65 and valorant has a tickrate of 124.5.
As you can see SoT servers are abysmal.

But how is Rare meant to fix that problem? They are owned by Microsoft and are probably forced to use their servers.

It would already be a huge step in the right direction if they would just make a statement and talk to their playerbase what their future steps are to solving this problem. Or what exactly the cause for the problem is.

The only thing they do is say, It'S A kNoWn IsSuE... this helps absolutely no one.

@galactic-geek sagte in Hit Registration (come on now):

Nobody gets to pick their opponents when the fight comes to them.

I know but then don't say that all of this is no issue. Most of these happen in intense situations when a lot of cannon shots are being fired or a lot of boats a are in an area, aka arena. It also happens in adventure but a little less frequently.

I always find it funny when pure adventure players say certain things are not an issue when they only play a part of the game. Most arena players play both, so they experience all of it. Hence they have a little more insight into actual fight related bugs.

@insaiity said in Hit Registration (come on now):

SoT has a tickrate of 8 when fights happen, CSGO has a tickrate of around 65 and valorant has a tickrate of 124.5.
As you can see SoT servers are abysmal.

But how is Rare meant to fix that problem? They are owned by Microsoft and are probably forced to use their servers.

@insaiity said in Hit Registration (come on now):

@galactic-geek sagte in Hit Registration (come on now):

I won'teven bother to address your percentages becauseI know you're pulling them out of your [censored].

@trik68 said in Hit Registration (come on now):

@galactic-geek OK I break it down for you so uh "people" can understand.

Quotation marks around the word people? Seems rather shady to me...

This game is broken into three parts; naval, hand to hand combat and PvE.

Says you. What about exploration? Voyages? Socializing? Etc.

So whats your definition of a game that's functional 100% working, 70% or even 50%?

I don't put percentages to it - if it's playable, works, and is enjoyable, that's what matters by my count.

Naval: literally almost everything doesn't work except for planking (repairs) and spinning the wheel.

Um? Just about everything ship-to-ship works...

What doesn't work?: Cannons, which is the key part of a ship.

They work for me exactly as intended.

Sails rubber band based on server spikes.

Server lag issues are not game issues; it's important to separate the 2 because you can't fix the former by adjusting the latter.

Mast repair bugs.

Again, always worked for me, and the only known bug regarding it was recently fixed according to patch notes.

Hand to Hand. Hitreg across the board doesn't work.

It does most of the time, and it's improving with every update, section by section. Ships, ladders, in water, Arena turn-in, and rowboats have all been addressed already.

50% chance or lower for a gunshot to reg.

This is laughably low. My gunshots register maybe 95% of the time.

Can backtrack 10 feet away with the sword.

And hit nothing - it's only good out to about ~5 ft.

And now PvE which is affected by the bugs that effect the other two categories so...

The only issues I have with PvE are hit reg issues with skellies, which I am certain are server-based. Again, not an issue with the game, but rather the servers.

Also omg Commedations don't work for the new stuff.

Commendations are often fixed quickly, and are either retroactive or easy to redo.

Sorry but you clearly don't get into intense fights against good crews, because that's were all of these things happen regularly. Or maybe you just have fortunas blessing.

Nobody gets to pick their opponents when the fight comes to them.

@galactic-geek sagte in Hit Registration (come on now):

I won'teven bother to address your percentages becauseI know you're pulling them out of your [censored].

@trik68 said in Hit Registration (come on now):

@galactic-geek OK I break it down for you so uh "people" can understand.

Quotation marks around the word people? Seems rather shady to me...

This game is broken into three parts; naval, hand to hand combat and PvE.

Says you. What about exploration? Voyages? Socializing? Etc.

So whats your definition of a game that's functional 100% working, 70% or even 50%?

I don't put percentages to it - if it's playable, works, and is enjoyable, that's what matters by my count.

Naval: literally almost everything doesn't work except for planking (repairs) and spinning the wheel.

Um? Just about everything ship-to-ship works...

What doesn't work?: Cannons, which is the key part of a ship.

They work for me exactly as intended.

Sails rubber band based on server spikes.

Server lag issues are not game issues; it's important to separate the 2 because you can't fix the former by adjusting the latter.

Mast repair bugs.

Again, always worked for me, and the only known bug regarding it was recently fixed according to patch notes.

Hand to Hand. Hitreg across the board doesn't work.

It does most of the time, and it's improving with every update, section by section. Ships, ladders, in water, Arena turn-in, and rowboats have all been addressed already.

50% chance or lower for a gunshot to reg.

This is laughably low. My gunshots register maybe 95% of the time.

Can backtrack 10 feet away with the sword.

And hit nothing - it's only good out to about ~5 ft.

And now PvE which is affected by the bugs that effect the other two categories so...

The only issues I have with PvE are hit reg issues with skellies, which I am certain are server-based. Again, not an issue with the game, but rather the servers.

Also omg Commedations don't work for the new stuff.

Commendations are often fixed quickly, and are either retroactive or easy to redo.

Sorry but you clearly don't get into intense fights against good crews, because that's were all of these things happen regularly. Or maybe you just have fortunas blessing.

@dlchief58 I guess my definition is different compared to you guys. My definition is, does the game function as INTENDED (dont know how to underline) at least 75% of the time? and that answer is no. I have shown all the points on what bugs and how it effects during gameplay to explain why I say no, above.

@trik68 said in Hit Registration (come on now):

@genuine-heather You can still enjoy a nonfunctional game. no?

No, because by the mere definition of "non-functional" means that it doesn't work....PERIOD. While this game does have some issues, it is still functional and working - it boots up, runs, plays and rarely crashes. Sounds pretty functional to me and everyone else that plays it week after week, keeping it among the top 20 played games on Xbox at any given time.

@trik68 Using the term 'non functional' is just hurting your argument. Are there problems with hit registration and lag? Absolutely, but the game is definitely functional.

@genuine-heather You can still enjoy a nonfunctional game. no?

It's nonsensical to claim the game is non-functional. Obviously the game is functional. Words have actual meanings. A non-functional game would be a game that doesn't work. No game is perfect, but clearly Sea of Thieves works and is enjoyed daily by thousands of people.

@d3adst1ck I def dont think its my internet I have over 400 upload. Yes I understand all that. But literally everything I said above is common knowledge to the sweat community based on bad hitreg. Most sweats don't know any of the naval bugs which only the naval sweats know. There is a divide mostly toxic towards each other which is naval and tdm sweats. My crew hovers in the middle since we are the best at naval and we are def good at tdms. I wouldn't say the best tho.

However, my hitreg could differ primarily since I try to play on East although I am on West. I would never say this IS the reason why this happens to me. The only difference is the how far the desync is on hitboxes. People rubber band and teleport just as much for everyone's Pov. But the rubberband is based upon the player who is rubberbanding's internet.

The reason why I play on East is because the broad amount of the playerbase IS on East NA. Also that is where the sweat community base its self at with tourneys. The best EU sweats also only play on East.

To compare ping difference. My ping on home server is around 60-80. Central is 80-110. East is around 120-160. Big gap away since anything can affect it. Whether that's naval, PvE spawning, or even multiple people spamming shots at each other.

From what I know about other players. The average is the same for everyone as for me. But, there is a few amount of players who benefit from living really close to the servers such as Seattle for West, Dallas for Central, DC for East just to name a few. These player can be from the lowest at 20 ping to high at 40 ping at their home servers. These players should always win every sword fight.

Based on experience with these players the have a weird desync happening to them. I haven't played against someone who had a lot of skill with this low ping in a long time to fully explain how their "lag" works. "lag" since they arent really lagging its more like weird hickups coming to your end that's unique to that type of player.

Anyways I know I'm the same as the average since streamers usually average slightly higher than me because they are streaming. That is why they turn off ping or block because people who understand how ping works based on the amount and knowing their location can decipher which server they are on to snipe. I know this because I used to play with a streamer all the time, but we didn't care if someone sniped because they would usually always lose in a fight.

Im known to tank in the community for sweats who have played against me. I had my minute of fame against pace who said I was a hacker since I tanked a lot of shots on a Central server which didn't make sense to me. Since he is east and I'm west but it was a bad server which was like 220 ping on a Central so... I have never had a bad server like that since then though. Alright at least in only adventure. People tried to get me banned but he never showed my name, it was also cleared up with him so nothing came of it.

The reason why I'm known to tank is only because I'm a West player against East. Anyways the ping is way too high for this game.

Plus I read someone saying there is data that this server can tank to 8 tick in combat and that is just unacceptable. I would expect that server to be on a cool math game website not a AAA game dev owned by Microsoft. Which rent their servers to Playstation

@galactic-geek said:

I see hit registration issues maybe once a month!

🤣🤣🤣

1. I enjoy the game.
2. The game is playable in its current state.
3. The game has numerous bugs.
4. The devs have acknowledged and are working on fixing most of those bugs.
5. The devs have already fixed numerous issues.
6. Support for the game, both from the devs and the community, is ongoing.
7. Every game has bugs.
8. Laughing at people is rude.

1. Wholeheartedly agree; 2. Most of the game is, most of the time, though it is plagued by... 3. This; 4-7. Yeah, fine; 8. Not laughing at you, just at something hilarious you said.

Once a month. I'll have what he's having, Rare.

@trik68 Your percentages make me think you have massive internet issues. Only 1/4th of naval combat works? You only register 50% of your shots? It's certainly not that bad in my experience.

The hitbox is the player. The only reason backtracking exists is because it's the difference between where your client is showing the player and where the server has recorded the player. The game client uses predictive movement for everything so that players moving around aren't jittery and teleporting between frames of data coming from the server. In most cases this looks smooth, but in major latency it will "correct" the out of sync bits by moving them to where they should be. This is why ships float into the sky or players teleport around the boat.

In lower tick rate games this will be more common because each tick is data being updated. More ticks equals more updates which equals more accurate positioning. It's also much more expensive to run servers with higher tick rates. Is it possible to increase the tick rate for Sea of Thieves? No idea, although I imagine the low tick rate is in part due to the extra simulation that the server has to run each tick.

Other simulation games run into the exact same issue and generally have a much lower tick rate than a competitive FPS which only has to worry about player location. Space Engineers has always had problems synchronizing all the floating space ships and other objects, especially when players enter the mix but they are still making improvements to optimization 7 years after release.

It may not be possible to get the tick rate for this game up to the level of an FPS, and if it is I don't think it's going to be overnight.